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#1 Mar 10 2009 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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Hey everyone,

I started out as a bard and a rdm, where gear swapping is clear and obvious: you know you don't need string skill when casting a song with a wind instrument, so you macro in more singing or some wind skill, you know that you need chr up to the 110-120 range to have a decent shot at debuffing/sleeping end game event mobs, you know that you want to swap in lots of int for offensive spells, staves for spells based on type, and mnd for most buffs.

My point is, with the mage types I've played so far that the stats to buff in any one instance are pretty clearly defined, the only hazy instance I can think of is the payoff between chr and singing/string/wind skill on debuffs, but even thats only because chr "cap" is given a bit of a range.

With physical DD, it seems to be much less clear as to when I need to swap certain gear in. I hear bits and pieces about TPing gear vs ws gear, and I know that some people have mnd builds for holy bolts. The mnd builds make sense to me, the TP/ws gear I need some help understanding: isn't RACC helpfull whether you're TPing or WSing? RATT and STR too? it seems like its all about boosting which is most helpful, but the lines get blurred there, because you still need some RACC when WSing, even though you may need to pile on the STR to max the damage...

Sorry for the long post. What it boils down to: 60RNG atm, pretty solid gear up to this point (not godly gear, but I've got my selenes, got the jaridah set where useful, AF where useful, keep up to date on my +1 rings, got my amamets ready, working towards the +1 now, etc) And I don't know much about gear swapping. Does anyone have any tips on what they macro in for different actions? Slugwinder, tp, etc. Doesn't even have to be specific gear so much as what trait you focus on for each set (perhaps listed in str>ratt>racc form would be easiest?). General tips/advice/links about gear swapping on ranger are definitely welcome too. Do I even have to worry about this a whole lot pre-70?

Thanks!

Edited, Mar 10th 2009 5:30pm by TwoGil
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#2 Mar 10 2009 at 3:45 PM Rating: Good
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Initially your TP gear and slug gear is going to be pretty similar since RACC isn't as abundant and both TP and Slugwinder need lots of RACC. As you get closer to 75, you can start putting in more RATT/STR into WS. But at 60 I'd still load as heavily on RACC as possible for both WS and TP shooting.

The only thing I was swapping in and out at those levels was Hunters Braccae for sharpshot and holy bolt shots and Devotees mitts for Holy Bolts. Everything else was pretty much all RACC.
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#3 Mar 10 2009 at 5:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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TwoGil wrote:
With physical DD, it seems to be much less clear as to when I need to swap certain gear in. I hear bits and pieces about TPing gear vs ws gear, and I know that some people have mnd builds for holy bolts. The mnd builds make sense to me, the TP/ws gear I need some help understanding: isn't RACC helpfull whether you're TPing or WSing? RATT and STR too?

Yep, people usually aim for 85% hit rate before sparing acc stats to (r)atk and STR or haste (for melee.

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it seems like its all about boosting which is most helpful, but the lines get blurred there, because you still need some RACC when WSing, even though you may need to pile on the STR to max the damage...

Slug is notoriously inaccurate. That's probably the only WS in this game people want to gear 80% to accuracy and 20% to everything else.


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Sorry for the long post. What it boils down to: 60RNG atm, pretty solid gear up to this point (not godly gear, but I've got my selenes, got the jaridah set where useful, AF where useful, keep up to date on my +1 rings, got my amamets ready, working towards the +1 now, etc) And I don't know much about gear swapping. Does anyone have any tips on what they macro in for different actions? Slugwinder, tp, etc. Doesn't even have to be specific gear so much as what trait you focus on for each set (perhaps listed in str>ratt>racc form would be easiest?). General tips/advice/links about gear swapping on ranger are definitely welcome too. Do I even have to worry about this a whole lot pre-70?

You don't generally swap gears at that level. Your TPing gear should be the maximum (or close to maximum) accuracy you can get at that level. So your Slug gear should use those gear.

later in 75 you get more options to racc. Gear yourself toward that, and mix a bit of STR and racc here and there. Usually, if you confident with hit-rate of your TP gear, then you need 40 more accuracy in slug gear in order to get confident hit-rate when firing at 100 TP. My slug gear usually have 21-33 more racc compared to TPing.
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#4 Mar 10 2009 at 6:18 PM Rating: Good
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as the previous posters said, just use your normal TP gear for WS. This gear should include your AF body, and AF head for the most part. Until you hit 70+ you will want to keep on a lot of Racc in all your slots except for your amemet. For TP build the stats to focus on will be Racc>Ratt>Str/Agi. For Slugwinder it will be more of Racc>Str/Agi>Ratt. I myself am a bow user so I do not know what order you should focus on for Holy Bolts but I'd assume it is Racc>Mnd>Ratt but do not quote me on that. Just remeber to generally aim for the 80% hit acc before you worry about anything else as allready stated.
#5 Mar 10 2009 at 9:11 PM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the info guys, definitely helpful!

I don't parse, so unfortunately I'll probably have to rely on eyeballing that 80-85% acc, but this gives me something to shoot for.
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#6 Mar 10 2009 at 9:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Been focusing mainly on RACC stuff, myself. I don't really like overhunting IT++ stuff, but until I hit 72 or so, that'll probably be the case for whatever I get invited for. Still can't decide if I want to get bow/xbow merits capped, or just focus on one in case I decide to take up another job after.
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#7 Mar 12 2009 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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TwoGil wrote:
Thanks for the info guys, definitely helpful!

I don't parse, so unfortunately I'll probably have to rely on eyeballing that 80-85% acc, but this gives me something to shoot for.


That pun hurt lol
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#8 Mar 12 2009 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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An easy eye ball test is with your normal gear with or without food shoot 20 times andif you feel if you hit enough then you should be fine. About 16/20 hits is what you want.
#9 Mar 13 2009 at 5:32 AM Rating: Default
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An easy eye ball test is with your normal gear with or without food shoot 20 times andif you feel if you hit enough then you should be fine. About 16/20 hits is what you want.
I'd prefer 19/20.
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#10 Mar 13 2009 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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While I would prefer to hit 19/20 shots as well, using a total of 20 shots to determine your R Acc will be highly misleading. With such a small sample size, the standard deviation of your percentage accuracy will be too high for my liking. You could very well be at 75% R Acc, but due to a few lucky shots on the small sample size, you would be mislead.
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#11 Mar 13 2009 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes I understand that it can be misleading but it can also be very helpful as if you just want a slight feel on how you will do this test can be helpful and effective. If you have other ideas that are more beneficial i would like to know as I am always interested in more tips. I used this sample of shots after a few carreer rangers told me to only shoot 10 times to base my food and/or gear. Thank you for enlightening me on my eye balling test.
#12 Mar 16 2009 at 2:13 PM Rating: Decent
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While I would prefer to hit 19/20 shots as well, using a total of 20 shots to determine your R Acc will be highly misleading. With such a small sample size, the standard deviation of your percentage accuracy will be too high for my liking. You could very well be at 75% R Acc, but due to a few lucky shots on the small sample size, you would be mislead.


And so blind guessing would be preferable?
Yes statistically a small sample can show variance but we are not trying to prove a cancer treatment here. We're just trying to make a decision about which food to eat and how much RACC gear to wear. If you had to shoot 1000 times to have a statistically valid test within a very small margin of error, I'm afraid your party will have broken up 30 mobs ago.

I think 20 offers a reasonable estimate of accuracy provided you have some a priori expectation. I.e. you know how much Racc you have and what level you are compared to the mob. At worst, you guess wrong and have to switch foods in a half hour.

Given most players don't have a RACC calculator in their head, there has to be some way to guage things. RNG is a job where we are fortunate to have enough accuracy that the question of meat vs sushi even comes up. Of course life would be easier if food effects were removable without dying. Then you could try out a cheap meat first and if not hitting accurately enough, you couls switch back to sushi.
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#13 Mar 16 2009 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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Yes statistically a small sample can show variance but we are not trying to prove a cancer treatment here. We're just trying to make a decision about which food to eat and how much RACC gear to wear.
Math is math. Just because the math here is involved in a video game, doesn't mean you can determine variance any differently here than anywhere else.

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I think 20 offers a reasonable estimate of accuracy provided you have some a priori expectation.
If you have a pre-determined expectation that's lovely, but twenty shots will not provide a reasonable estimate. Unless you call being off by 20%(4 shots more or less connecting than normal, completely understandable given the data sample) a reasonable estimate.

What I'm driving at is that figuring out the preferable food is really a "best-guess" type thing, as alluded to above. It is the unfortunate truth that in order to get a strong grasp of what food you should be using, it really helps if you've partied there for quite some time, and have reasonable data to show what you should be eating. Or barring that, asking RNGs who keep detailed notes what R Acc they got at which camps. And to be perfectly honest, except for merit camps, where we know the mobs EVA, this is not a simple chore.

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Then you could try out a cheap meat first and if not hitting accurately enough, you couls switch back to sushi.
This is really all I could recommend. Go with one food type for half an hour, then make up your mind.
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#14 Mar 17 2009 at 6:41 AM Rating: Decent
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f you have a pre-determined expectation that's lovely, but twenty shots will not provide a reasonable estimate. Unless you call being off by 20%(4 shots more or less connecting than normal, completely understandable given the data sample) a reasonable estimate.


It's preferable to being off 50% by guessing. Math is math. A sample size of 20 is preferable to a sample size of zero, despite its obvious inferiority to a sample size of 1000.

I agree you could always poll other rangers what food they needed for various camps but since gear and race differences (as well as COR or BRD rolls) can make a significant difference, it wouldn't be more statistically valid. You'd have to go into specifics and that's not likely practical in the 10 min you usually have to get out to a camp.

My personal preference is to try meat initially and gear heavily on RACC. If I'm not hitting accurately enough, I'll switch to sushi and gear more RATT. If I still can't hit then I go to sushi and RACC and if I still can't hit, we are definietly overcamping lol.

With level sync lifes a bit easier since you can party at certain camps for several levels and get a good idea of your needed racc.
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