STR vs. RAtk vs. AGI for the end-game RNG: Some answersFollow

Hey, if you can give me a situation where it isn't, I'm happy to discuss it. But unless your goal is to be wearing exactly 0 RACC, Franny for Woody is one of the worst tradeoffs you can make.

Furthermore, if your goal really is to have 0 RACC, Kriegs+Woody loses to Vulcan+Axe Grip anyway.

Edited, May 23rd 2008 4:46pm by redvenomweb

Sorry if this has been asked but im on my cell phone and couldn't check all the posts.
How much of an impact is vulcans staff+ axe grip + the 5 str from hasso?

Bah crap... Edit to remove crap. I see the original post was over a year ago.

Edited, Jun 18th 2008 12:22pm by Whatsinaname

I would like to see the new Zeni +10 str Pants added, the salvage gear, bucaneers belt, and Endiku's mittens.

also it would be nice to see an analysis of how the calculated dmg is effected if you have all the top Bow gear equiped. and yes my goal is 0 Racc. when meriting because the difference of 68%(out of 300 shots)(+ 15 str + 10 Ratt) Racc and 74%(out of 300 shots)(+34 racc + 15 agi) racc in on merit party is only a few shots.

Bumping this because it answers a lot of questions that get asked frequently (like ones I just asked lol)

Studio gobli data:
Kirin VIT 120 def 431, Lv92

Would Buccaneer's Belt be better or equal to Scout's Belt? I just want to get one of the two (seriously run out of space). Which wins?

VZX wrote:



Yeah, kinda look close to me. Thanks.

Potential necrobump, is VZX's excel spreadsheet still avaliable? Or outdated?

Mirke is to Osode as Breeze Gorget is to Justice Torque. Assuming Mirke has RACC/RATT +10 then Osode is slightly ahead for damage but Mirke wins by a mile for RACC.

Anwig with STR+4 WSACC+15 / RACC+10 RATT+5 is higher DMG than any other option except Maat's Cap for both normal shots and WS. But Anwig has ridiculously higher RACC on WS.

Was it really worth necroing for something this bloody obvious?



Edited, Oct 31st 2009 8:38am by Lobivopis

Altdorf's + Wilhelm's earring set vs 2x triumph

how much better/worse are one over the other?

4 str 15 wsacc 10 racc 5rattk anwig is mentioned earlier but where does that stand vs 4 str 4 agi 15 ws acc +2% ws dmg if acc isnt an issue? and if the later is better where does it stand vs maats? trying to decide which anwig is better for rng or if i should just build it for another job XD also i think scout feet > +3 str +2 agi hume RSE but was just making sure i didnt read the replies wrong. thanks in advance!

Edited, May 11th 2010 5:11am by BiggHowie

Yes, however the ratt applies to normal hits and ws dmg, not just 2% ws dmg, so when taken into account and overall better piece, if you're using it for TP as well, which then becomes better? +5ratt does. WS only, then Yes 2% dmg.




I dont gear for racc, but i always see racc as an issue, and the reason being, -40 racc at 100% tp on slugwinder. If youre capped on racc and you still miss a rabbit on east ron...(it happens).

Edited, May 15th 2010 2:36pm by Aryden

Uhhh... you can't use a single piece for every situation. One size doesn't fit all.
Using 2% WS damage piece during TPing is stupid, even more stupid when you compare it to another equip that obviously do something.

No whats stupid is trying to take into account more situations than necessary. You have 2 modes, Tp and WS, if you build it solely for ws, then yes +2% dmg is what you go with, however, if you build it to tp in, yet still augment it for wsing then youre better off with +5 ratt. Yes there are better head pieces for tping, AF+1 head, Barbut, etc. That doesnt change the fact that we're talking about 1 piece of gear, not 3.





Hysterical, how about 5/5 recycle merits and a frugal cape...



Edited, May 17th 2010 8:21pm by Aryden

not quite, i was being sarcastic.

And I was being facetious, so we were both in the same mind frame.




Actually I'm not poor. I'm frugal. Big difference there. And I was just in a sh*t-disturbing mood at the moment I made that post. I'm well aware of the general sentiment amongst RNG's on Alla. If you can't get yourself killed in the first few seconds of a fight, you're doing it wrong.

Edited, May 18th 2010 4:21pm by Dartagnann

Not subbing WAR?
Gimp


;)

Despite being facetious again, I'll bite on this. Where does the two extra slugwinders come from? Admittedly a player can get to 100tp before a fight without meditate. I imagine over time, with store TP trait a RNG/SAM will get in more slugwinders than a RNG/WAR. So is that 2 slugwinders per 5 min (recast timer on berzerk)? If so i guess it really depends on waht mobs you are fighting and how much zerk affects your Slugwinder and regular shot damage.

But admittedly i haven't gone RNG/WAR to anything in ages as I prefer not to die. And since I can pretty much get myself killed (with Seigan/3rd eye) at will in any fight I attend on RNG/SAM, not sure having more death potential as /WAR helps anyone but the people with BNS.

Bottomline: you have to gear for not only the fight, but your fellow aliance mates as well. If you are so overgeared you can't keep the mob from constantly turning away from the other less geared DD's, you aren't doing anyone any favors. It's always best to keep hate fairly well distributed in any alliance battle. Keeps healers happy, rangers and black mages alive and mobs in one place.

Yes, there are ultimate damage dealing setups for RNG. I'm just finding the closer I get to having all this great end game gear, the more likely I am to be the first death in any linkshell event, unless I consciously hold back to avoid hate (which then defeats the purpose of getting all this gear).

It's a funny game and I am constantly impressed by posters willingness to get their knickers twisted about these minor stat differences when real game experience would indicate that there is too much randomness in the system for it to ever be of consequence.

tl;dr AF2 hat rules.

you're all absolutely correct, and Dart, thats the most concise, well thought out thing i think i've seen you post.

What i look at are things like, Sarameya, or kiring where we will do 2-3 or 4 per go. Rng/war after the first fight will just be standing there looking happy with himself, while i'm meditating up for a lead in slugwinder. Now, you could say, put some sams in there for shikk, and youre right, but whats the point in taking their tp when i can generate my own. I'll give example, Sarameya takes us roughly 40ish secs to take down, but i still manage to slugwinder > barrage >> slugwinder >> med > ratt >>slugwinder (assuming i dont whiff barrage). Truth be told, it's not always 100% sometimes other dd's get lucky and i dont get that last slugwinder off. But i still stay at the top of the parse regardless. So what would then be the point of /war with zerk? I agree, if i am going to do something where i am only going to get 1 maybe 2 good shots off, then /war can can be great, right till i faceplant.

Edited, May 19th 2010 6:18pm by Aryden

I'd just like to point real quick that the STR difference is in fact a bit smaller (3 or less) between /SAM with hasso and /WAR. /WAR gives more natural STR then /SAM. Also, there's a small constant boost to R.Att from /WAR's trait.

Doesn't change you conclusion tho, but I wanted to point it anyway.

base str difference between /war and /sam as a hume rng is 1 str in favor of war, which mean /sam with hasso gains +4 str. However, /war does give you the +10 attack bonus as a trait.

I calculated it out the other night, with the buffs i normally get for HNM stuff + /war, i can cap 999 ratt, which for a whole hell of alot of things, gives me that 3.0 pdif, but if i'm using berserk and doing an event like that, i'm going to be, and this is from experience, dead almost immediately. Capping your pdif on stuff that really matters, can and will be a death sentence for you if you arent holding back a hell of alot.

no one is arguing against you, it's just an observation for those others that are reading the thread about using /war. Has nothing to do with your comment.