50 RNG/THF - I Loathe TheeFollow

Ha! Hope you like the title. I admit I'm a little upset right now because of a competing Ranger who was hunting the same area I was. That's really not the point. What I'm going to say, you can believe or not believe, it really doesn't matter.

This ranger was level 50 with thief subbed. No biggie, he has flee, I don't, or so I thought. I don't understand how, but he was claiming targets while running toward them! He wasn't stopping, he definitely wasn't using a ranged attack, and his daggers were not pulled out. My thief is 37, my ranger is 41, I feel like I know both classes pretty well and I just don't understand how he was doing it! How could he claim the mobs without attacking them? Is there some uber secret I've missed out on? Do any of you guys know? This guy was NA, and a prick, but thought it was pretty funny when I was complaining about him claiming targets while I was pulling back my bowstring.

ive had this happin to me when i use flee, if i use flee and i run and select a monster and attack it while running and it will mess up and ill attack before my daggers are drawn...

it doesnt make you attack any faster...its realy just a glitch

You just arent seeing the animation thats all.

I see this on my warrior all the time, ill pull my axe out then immediatley provoke. I dont see the swing animation, but it still says "Jowaa hits for XX damage".

What you are seeing is him attacking while the flee animation is still in progress. The flee animation began first so it completes before you see the draw weapon and swing animation.

You can also see this on ranger when meleeing between ranged attacks. Often times you wont see your swing animation right before you notch an arrow, but the mob will still take melee damage. Its just the slow animations catching up to the actual speed of the battle that sometimes leaves certain animations out, though their effect is still there.

I think they need to have some limits to flee. I see people using the albility to after mobs/nm. Beating me so was running not fleeing. This clearly gives them an advantage. Its call FLEE. you should only be able to use it to flee a mob. S/E need to fix this i believe.

/ja "Steal" <t>

^^

Flee + Steal is awesome. It's the answer to Provoke and Dia.

When I play THF/RNG, I am confident that if the NM spawns somewhere outside of casting range, I will claim it before they do.

HAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm sorry i just found this to be so stupid that it sounded funny. WTF are u talking about, Your obviosly upset at the fact that u either cant or dont use it. Saying that is like saying Ranger shouldnt be aloud to use scan for helping find NM"s (it gives them an advantage, whats the difference?)

Ah, that's probably it. Funny I never really pulled with Steal as a THF and it seems the obvious thing now that you brought it up. Now I got another technique to use when farming....

2 limitations of this of course is I've never tested how far a range Steal works....I guess you can just run by and do a drive-by Steal. And second, there's a 5 min timer on that ability. So it shouldn't be something that's regularly used to get the jump on every MOB a THF encounters.

Man, calm down Piadinha. If you're going to sling out insults every time you post (all two times), maybe you're better suited on gamefaqs instead.

I have never run into someone as rude as this guy was, and the fact that he was mocking me and my farming partner while getting every single mob we were hunting, I'd hope you could understand the frustration in my original post >_<

Ok, I've calmed down a bit...took my meds and now I'm better!

Let's see if I can rehash Leophr's issue.

You're upset because thieves are thinking outside the box and using their abilities to have a better shot a pulling NMs?

Using Flee is exactly the same as using Dia, Shadowbind, Provoke, or any other ability to grab a mob.

The only truly fair way to even out all the classes is for SE to make it impossible to lock an NM unless you hack on it with a weapon. No spells, no arrows, just steel on flesh.

As someone said earlier...we're thieves, we're supposed to be able to do this.


If you think someone has an edge on you, you're right! You can either complain and beg SE to nerf it to eliminate the edge they found (sounds like gaming welfare), or you can try to be just as creative and find your own edge. There will always be a best and worst way to do things--maybe "Steal" and "Flee" are now the best.

Edited, Wed Feb 11 19:17:30 2004 by Piadinha

Leophr I think perhaps you might be too caught up with the semantics of the word "Flee" and making too much of it.

You and I will never know for sure, but I DO think SE had every intention of giving one class the ability to run faster then any other class, regardless of purpose.

This is true of every other fantasy MMO I've played.

HOW that ability is being used I think it should naturally be left up to the player, and I don't agree that it's somehow overpowering or thinking out of the box (i.e. cheating) to use it to gain a leap on grabbing something before you can.

Apply this same theory in real life....fastest kid out on the playground gets the best spot on the jungle gym.

Now to counter this from being a contant abuse...SE built in a 5 min timer on Flee. So it's not like you are constantly at a disadvantage.

One added incentive to avoid crying "nerf" at every opportunity is tha fact you might actually play a THF someday. If you think FLEE gave that other player the jump...go become a THF and do it yourself. I had a friend level up a THF just for FLEE alone...

I am rdm, but have a ranger sub leveled up too. I do use it just to farm with. I think that if someone works to level a job, any job, they should be able to use all the perks that come with it. So I scan find something and a ranger/thief grabs it first. My normal reaction is to heal them while they fight and congragulate them. No big deal I just look some more.

You really can't say that just because the name of the ability is flee you should only be able to run from a enemy. Think about it there is tons of attacks in the game that are really named something goofy.

"I think that Dragoons do too much damage with thier "jump" attack, they should only be able to jump up and down"

or

"Those monks have too much power "boost" should only allow them to help others reach something up high"

Yea stupid examples but you get the point, on top of this all of the names of all the abilities are badly translated into one word English counterparts. For example in the Japanese version thier "Sneak Attack" means something along the line of Preemptive Strike. Which has nothing to do with what Sneak Attack does or is at all.

Yeah, thieves are opportunists when it comes to money. they should get the best money making abilities.