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50 RNG/THF - I Loathe TheeFollow

#1 Feb 10 2004 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Ha! Hope you like the title. I admit I'm a little upset right now because of a competing Ranger who was hunting the same area I was. That's really not the point. What I'm going to say, you can believe or not believe, it really doesn't matter.

This ranger was level 50 with thief subbed. No biggie, he has flee, I don't, or so I thought. I don't understand how, but he was claiming targets while running toward them! He wasn't stopping, he definitely wasn't using a ranged attack, and his daggers were not pulled out. My thief is 37, my ranger is 41, I feel like I know both classes pretty well and I just don't understand how he was doing it! How could he claim the mobs without attacking them? Is there some uber secret I've missed out on? Do any of you guys know? This guy was NA, and a prick, but thought it was pretty funny when I was complaining about him claiming targets while I was pulling back my bowstring.
#2 Feb 10 2004 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Sounds wierd, I'd guess lag but it sounds like you'd know if it was lag. Dunno.
#3 Feb 10 2004 at 3:42 PM Rating: Decent
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ive had this happin to me when i use flee, if i use flee and i run and select a monster and attack it while running and it will mess up and ill attack before my daggers are drawn...

it doesnt make you attack any faster...its realy just a glitch
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#4 Feb 10 2004 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Hrm..that's interesting. Sounds like we've all used THF to farm before but I've never encountered anyone that would consistently outclaim me like that before....it sure does sound like a lag issue.
#5 Feb 10 2004 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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You just arent seeing the animation thats all.

I see this on my warrior all the time, ill pull my axe out then immediatley provoke. I dont see the swing animation, but it still says "Jowaa hits for XX damage".

What you are seeing is him attacking while the flee animation is still in progress. The flee animation began first so it completes before you see the draw weapon and swing animation.

You can also see this on ranger when meleeing between ranged attacks. Often times you wont see your swing animation right before you notch an arrow, but the mob will still take melee damage. Its just the slow animations catching up to the actual speed of the battle that sometimes leaves certain animations out, though their effect is still there.
#6 Feb 10 2004 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Shadowbind maybe?, it pulls really fast
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#7 Feb 10 2004 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I think they need to have some limits to flee. I see people using the albility to after mobs/nm. Beating me so was running not fleeing. This clearly gives them an advantage. Its call FLEE. you should only be able to use it to flee a mob. S/E need to fix this i believe.
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#8 Feb 10 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
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i see no porblem in using flee to catch NM or other mob's for that matter, hell..i use it to get from the AH to my mog house faster :P

you know youd do it if you were a thief...
and if they cant get away from a mob fast enough becuase they used it prior to get home faster or catch a mob then youll have you sweet ironic revenge wont you?

Edited, Tue Feb 10 19:23:42 2004 by FeKrim
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#9 Feb 10 2004 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
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/ja "Steal" <t>

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#10 Feb 10 2004 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Exactly...name aside, I think the extra speed boost gained from Flee is every bit a legitimate method to run away from or to catch a MOB. Every class SHOULD have an advantage over another...in the THFs case it's their ability to make money. If that includes their ability to farm better by way of better inate abilities or by catching a MOB faster...by all means IHMO.

Flee is by many accounts one of the most valuable abilities in the game. Nerfing it would suck....
#11 Feb 11 2004 at 1:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Flee + Steal is awesome. It's the answer to Provoke and Dia.

When I play THF/RNG, I am confident that if the NM spawns somewhere outside of casting range, I will claim it before they do.
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#12 Feb 11 2004 at 10:23 AM Rating: Decent
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yeah , flee/steel,dia,or sadowbind all pull really fast.
if yo are trying to get nm's dont use a normial shot with your bow. its really too slow to claim a target
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#13 Feb 11 2004 at 11:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I think they need to have some limits to flee. I see people using the albility to after mobs/nm. Beating me so was running not fleeing. This clearly gives them an advantage. Its call FLEE. you should only be able to use it to flee a mob. S/E need to fix this i believe.


HAHAHAHAHAHA, I'm sorry i just found this to be so stupid that it sounded funny. WTF are u talking about, Your obviosly upset at the fact that u either cant or dont use it. Saying that is like saying Ranger shouldnt be aloud to use scan for helping find NM"s (it gives them an advantage, whats the difference?)
#14 Feb 11 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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How ridiculous!

This is my first post...I just had to reply to this thread cause the whole topic is so idiotic.

1. Of course he's using "Steal". Didn't have to waste too many brain cells on that one. Hmmm....a THF pulling mobs while running without a weapon drawn! Use the brain God gave you.

2. "Using Flee when you're not fleeing isn't fair!" What he really meant to say was "Using abilities that I don't have isn't fair....to me!" Suck it up, princess.
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#15 Feb 11 2004 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Ah, that's probably it. Funny I never really pulled with Steal as a THF and it seems the obvious thing now that you brought it up. Now I got another technique to use when farming....

2 limitations of this of course is I've never tested how far a range Steal works....I guess you can just run by and do a drive-by Steal. And second, there's a 5 min timer on that ability. So it shouldn't be something that's regularly used to get the jump on every MOB a THF encounters.
#16 Feb 11 2004 at 2:22 PM Rating: Decent
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come on guys lets not be so mean, after all the name of the ability does imply that it is used to "flee" enemeys, not to catch them. so i do think that if thats what the developers wanted that is what they should have made it do, or should have named the ablity something else(perhaps "burst" or "run" something like that)

now it does not bother me either way, i am not complaining , and i would use flee to claim nm's as well.

just saying i understand what the guy was saying , and there is no need to be mean about it.

Edited, Wed Feb 11 14:24:59 2004 by zazusrevenge
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#17 Feb 11 2004 at 3:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Man, calm down Piadinha. If you're going to sling out insults every time you post (all two times), maybe you're better suited on gamefaqs instead.

I have never run into someone as rude as this guy was, and the fact that he was mocking me and my farming partner while getting every single mob we were hunting, I'd hope you could understand the frustration in my original post >_<
#18 Feb 11 2004 at 5:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Moronvenom and pedofile, oh i mean I mean Morg and Pia. Scan does it it suppose to, scan for mobs. But i have to run to the mob to engage. Flee isnt being use to flee. Its being used to get to the mob faster than others who are running. You have to get into target range to voke or dia. If they used the term burst speed, i wouldnt have brought it up. But it is call flee. What is your definition of flee? Just like Sneak Attack, you have to be behind the mob to use it. Flee should be use to flee not used to run faster. I never use my bow to pull when i farm, i use dia and shadowbind.
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#19 Feb 11 2004 at 6:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I've calmed down a bit...took my meds and now I'm better!

Let's see if I can rehash Leophr's issue.

You're upset because thieves are thinking outside the box and using their abilities to have a better shot a pulling NMs?

Using Flee is exactly the same as using Dia, Shadowbind, Provoke, or any other ability to grab a mob.

The only truly fair way to even out all the classes is for SE to make it impossible to lock an NM unless you hack on it with a weapon. No spells, no arrows, just steel on flesh.

As someone said earlier...we're thieves, we're supposed to be able to do this.


If you think someone has an edge on you, you're right! You can either complain and beg SE to nerf it to eliminate the edge they found (sounds like gaming welfare), or you can try to be just as creative and find your own edge. There will always be a best and worst way to do things--maybe "Steal" and "Flee" are now the best.

Edited, Wed Feb 11 19:17:30 2004 by Piadinha
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#20 Feb 11 2004 at 8:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Like it was stated early, I doubt that square intended for thief to use flee cover distance. With Dia/voke is who ever see the mob first gets to use it . I cant out run someone with flee. Thinking outside the box is whats gonna get u nerf. You already have tresure hunter/gil finder. Does anyother class have that.
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#21 Feb 11 2004 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Like it was stated early, I doubt that square intended for thief to use flee cover distance. With Dia/voke is who ever see the mob first gets to use it . I cant out run someone with flee. Thinking outside the box is whats gonna get u nerf. You already have tresure hunter/gil finder. Does anyother class have that.


Leophr I think perhaps you might be too caught up with the semantics of the word "Flee" and making too much of it.

You and I will never know for sure, but I DO think SE had every intention of giving one class the ability to run faster then any other class, regardless of purpose.

This is true of every other fantasy MMO I've played.

HOW that ability is being used I think it should naturally be left up to the player, and I don't agree that it's somehow overpowering or thinking out of the box (i.e. cheating) to use it to gain a leap on grabbing something before you can.

Apply this same theory in real life....fastest kid out on the playground gets the best spot on the jungle gym.

Now to counter this from being a contant abuse...SE built in a 5 min timer on Flee. So it's not like you are constantly at a disadvantage.

One added incentive to avoid crying "nerf" at every opportunity is tha fact you might actually play a THF someday. If you think FLEE gave that other player the jump...go become a THF and do it yourself. I had a friend level up a THF just for FLEE alone...
#22 Feb 12 2004 at 5:06 AM Rating: Decent
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In the JP version, the THF run ability is called "tonzura," or sprint. Does this mean that JP THFs should be able to run anytime they want, but NA THFs should only be able to run away from mobs?

If Squenix wanted Flee to be used only for defensive purposes, they would simply make it a battle-only command. They CERTAINLY wouldn't allow you to use it in town.
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#23 Feb 12 2004 at 7:51 AM Rating: Decent
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I am rdm, but have a ranger sub leveled up too. I do use it just to farm with. I think that if someone works to level a job, any job, they should be able to use all the perks that come with it. So I scan find something and a ranger/thief grabs it first. My normal reaction is to heal them while they fight and congragulate them. No big deal I just look some more.
#24 Feb 14 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Dictionary Definition of flee:

flee ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fl)
v. fled, (fld) flee·ing, flees
v. intr.
To pass swiftly away; vanish: “of time fleeing beneath him” (William Faulkner).

v. tr.
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#25 Feb 14 2004 at 7:19 PM Rating: Decent
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You really can't say that just because the name of the ability is flee you should only be able to run from a enemy. Think about it there is tons of attacks in the game that are really named something goofy.

"I think that Dragoons do too much damage with thier "jump" attack, they should only be able to jump up and down"

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"Those monks have too much power "boost" should only allow them to help others reach something up high"

Yea stupid examples but you get the point, on top of this all of the names of all the abilities are badly translated into one word English counterparts. For example in the Japanese version thier "Sneak Attack" means something along the line of Preemptive Strike. Which has nothing to do with what Sneak Attack does or is at all.
#26 Feb 15 2004 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
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leophr wrote:
Hey Moronvenom and pedofile, oh i mean I mean Morg and Pia. Scan does it it suppose to, scan for mobs. But i have to run to the mob to engage. Flee isnt being use to flee. Its being used to get to the mob faster than others who are running. You have to get into target range to voke or dia. If they used the term burst speed, i wouldnt have brought it up. But it is call flee. What is your definition of flee? Just like Sneak Attack, you have to be behind the mob to use it. Flee should be use to flee not used to run faster. I never use my bow to pull when i farm, i use dia and shadowbind.


Hrm... The way I feel about Flee, is that quite simply with the #$* I had to go through to even get to level 25, I earned flee and will use it any darn way I see fit... Thief has to be one of the hardest classes to level without the advantage of a subjob. They're completely useless in parties and nobody wants them around, leaving them to blow through easy mobs and get half the xp of an organized party battle...
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#27 Feb 20 2004 at 11:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, thieves are opportunists when it comes to money. they should get the best money making abilities.
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