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#1 Feb 02 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I've got 50k saved and have my Hunters Longbow and Power Bow + 1's ready and waiting. I was wondering how far, considering equipment + ammo, will this 50k take me? I'm assuming not that far, since most RNG equipment is in need of +stats. Plus there's the fact that I want to have bow/gun levelled generally the same throughout my RNG career. I understand this will be extremely costly. I plan on (before going RNG) getting 2 Leaping Boots (1 to sell, 1 to wear for a while, then sell) and a Rabbits Charm (to sell). And yes, I know what camping NMs is like and I get the fact that it'll probably take me a week to do this. I plan on hunting bees/crawlers in SarutaBaruta as I level up my WAR in between NM hunting. I spent ~30 hours realtime fighting Jack, 20some kills, no drop.

Just taking into consideration equipment + arrows (no bullets), how far can I go? What would you any of you suggest is a good amount of cash to start with?
Thank you in advance.
#2 Feb 02 2004 at 1:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Without actually doing the math I can only estimate you'll be ok at least until your lower 20's (this is assuming you're going as far as you can go without any incoming source of income)

The two bows you already own were probably the biggest investment I had...perhaps even THE biggest investment all the way up through 30. I think even the GreatBow +1 wasn't as pricey. Other equipment such as a good pair of rings might put you under by another 20 - 25K or so.

Factor in choco travel expenses, ammo costs, misc equipment purchases, you'll probably burn through the rest by your lower 20's I'd estimate.

A lot of the armor sets up through 20 you'll be recycling from your THF.

You're at a good start...but there's always "not enough" :)

Edited, Mon Feb 2 13:37:51 2004 by Kamena
#3 Feb 02 2004 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I don't have the inventory space to be keeping armor from all my lower levels so I only have my current set. I guess it's time to do those Gobbie and Mog House quests ;).
I'll probably end up naked until I really need the armor, like ~lvl 10 when I'm in Tahrongi. Low 20s is alright for 50k imo, I know I spent a lot more than that on my THF up until that level.
#4 Feb 02 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I just got my RNG quest done last night (/cheer) and I don't think I'm going to have any problem keeping up w/ the costs.

My money making scheme is rather simple. It's just plain mob gil farming. I'm keeping my RDM30/THF15 armor and killing mandraga's (cotton), saplings (seeds), and bees (wax chips) in Tharongi Canyon. I can plow through these w/o resting for about 1.5-2 hours and make about 10-15k very easily.

Saruta Cottton = 4200 per stack
Herb Seeds = 5000 per stack
Grain Seeds = 3000 per stack
Wax Chips = 3000 per stack

Do that once or twice a week and you should be good (I hope ^^). I would suspect that 20-30k per week would do very well.
#5 Feb 02 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, that's fine too...even if you end up re-purchasing the armor sets up through leather, they're not that expensive yet. And then you can end up throwing them back up on auction once you're done.

They sell fast so I've never really had to stress over whether to buy them or not.

A *rough* ballpark estimate of a full set of leather is maybe 4 or 5K. Bronze and such are by far way less...maybe 2 or 3K at most.
#6 Feb 02 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I started with 70k and at level 23 with 20k decided to go gil hunting before it was a problem. You have 20k or so advantage over me since your hunter bow will resell and you already have your power bow+1 so it'll keep you good for awhile considering there'll still be a flow of money coming in as you level your ranger from crystals etc. Once in quifim the price starts going up since fights go longer(And even with gear you'll miss a lot, though it gets less a problem as you gain levels and get closer to the enemies level) I was using horn/beetle arrows(Whichever is the lower level one :P ), if you stick with irons you'll probably go a bit longer still.
#7 Feb 02 2004 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I know how to make my money and such, I was just wondering how far it would go. I have a good feel for how long the cash will last now, thanks for your posts.
#8 Feb 02 2004 at 9:04 PM Rating: Decent
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This is how I see it. You can make buy with that kind of money but with rangers what you pay for is what you get.



More gil = better ranger.

I saved up a lot of gil. And I am planning on buying strider boots at lvl 20 I am lvl 15 now (I know they cost 2.5 mil but I can get them for 1 mil and they are worth it). Add that in with the best equipment and if you have to notch everythin you will burn by that 50k in less than 10 lvls. In fact make that 5 lvls (1k per stack of 99 arrows silver/iron/beetle 15 arrows or more per beast you get the picture). Of course you can do what nearly every other ranger does and skimp and get cheap ammo/ always use bows cause bullets are too expensive. Or you can farm your little heart out earn enough dough to be a respectable ranger one that rivals blms in damage.

Its ur choice even with average equipment you will be better than any melee.

But why not be the best?
#9 Feb 03 2004 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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The biggest expense is the bow, but since you already have them, that's a huge savings. Arrows at early lvl are dirt cheap. Just get some fame or do woodcraft and your 50k should last you to high lvl 20s without additional income. Equipemts are petty in comparison and usually you get your return investment so the net cost is pretty much zero. You can solo with melee in early lvls to save some money.


The maximum amount of damage that any job can do is the amount of hate the tank can sustain and pull because dead characters = 0 damage and gets you kicked out of party once you are high levels when everybody know each other. For rangers, that usually means the best ammo be used, but that's not always the case, although you won't go wrong using the best. For average party (far from ideal) meat mitha + cheap ammo will put you just under the hate line; berserk + cheap ammo will also do. You also want to use cheap ammo at lvls right after you get your new weapon; but on the flip side, you want to compensate rng's stinkage with meat mitha and best ammo in the lvls before you get your weapon.

FYI, leaping boots are better than strider for combat purposes. Dexerity helps criticals.

Edited, Tue Feb 3 07:12:33 2004 by komputer

Edited, Tue Feb 3 02:13:01 2004 by komputer
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#10 Feb 03 2004 at 2:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I am a rng my self currently lvl 33 yes pimped out everything except the strider boots, and hairpin. I would like to know where this guy buys silver arrows 1k for 99. Lies! On my server silver arrows sell for 2k for 99 or 17 gil with lvl 8 fame in bastok. Would you pay 10 gil per arrow for 5 more dmg and that is just an estimated dmg of what it could do extra? Do not use your gun unless you really have to in desprit times. Guns will create alot of hate and could be possible desaster for the rng yielding death. RNG could be the most expensive job if you use guns. I think NIN cost more if you are using the tools alot. RNG is required to use arrows or bullets every battle if not you're a poor rng and people will dislike you. Around lvl 25 using iron arrows in a battle in kazham would cost you around 70 gil if you have a good party. the only big improvement on arrows are not till lvl 40 and 45 scorpion arrows lvl 40 and flame arrows lvl 45 that's when I'll switch to more cost efficient arrows (dmg per gil). there is my little break down of rng. Otherwise silver arrows are overrated and used by people with lots of money and they do not know what to do with it.
#11 Feb 03 2004 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I think I'll spend a week or two farming, NM hunting, raising my WAR in Saruta (kill 2 birds with one stone, farm and lvl) and doing some more quests (fame, do scroll quests for cash). I don't get as much time as I'd like to, seeing as when it was first released I logged 7 days in 3 weeks (with school, a job, and a girlfriend). So my parents and girlfriend got worred/**** at me :P.

I am indeed not going to stinge out with my equipment, and since I want to use bows and guns, I'll be saving for a bit.

Thanks for the input.
#12 Feb 03 2004 at 2:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Otherwise silver arrows are overrated and used by people with lots of money and they do not know what to do with it.


I notice a huge difference in damage when using Silver for Barrage as opposed to using either Horn or Iron. This could have been pure coincidence but I've personally noted the numbers for a period of time and I've convinced myself. So since then I've kept at least one stack of Silver on hand to swap out for either WS or Barrage.
#13 Feb 03 2004 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
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How do those equip macros work? Say I wanted to use Silver for a WS, does it go as such :

/equip ammo "Silver Arrow"
/wait 1
/ws "Barrage" <t>
/equip ammo "Iron Arrow" (just to swap back)

and could I go:

/equip range "insertgunhere"
/equip ammo "gunammohere"
/wait 1
/ws "Barrage" <t>
/equip range "bow"
/equip ammo "arrows"

Any of those possible?
#14 Feb 03 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, that's fairly close to how I have it...

I place the appropriate ammo equip line above any of my attack scripts. Reserving Silver for each of my WS and Barrage. Horn or Iron above my normal firing macro.

I don't usually swap them back at the end of the macro however...too cumbersome and my next attack macro should take care of helping me swap back to the appropriate arrow type. I found that if you tend to load up on too many commands in a macro they don't tend to be very reliable.

Barrage is one where I took the advice of a couple people here....I just have a macro to swap out the arrow and charge up with Barrage. I then just use a separate macro to fire on Barrage when I think it's appropriate. Barrage coupled with Sharpshot is a big hate magnet so I find pacing the 3 tasks more effective for my play style.
#15 Feb 03 2004 at 2:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahh I gotcha, that sounds more efficient than having so many commands in 1 macro, also more flexible. And I totally forgot that Barrage is charged, not immediately released (so used to using SA). Thanks once again :)

EDIT : I just realized I don't know what Barrage is!! I thought it was a RNG ability but after checking their abilities I don't see it.. or is the list incomplete? I checked weapon skills too! What exactly is it?

Edited, Tue Feb 3 14:51:01 2004 by defunkt
#16 Feb 03 2004 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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It's listed as "continuous shot" on this site - a single shot that combines the damage of up to 5 arrows.
#17 Feb 03 2004 at 8:04 PM Rating: Decent
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Barrage is actually used on yourself, not a target.

/ja "Barrage" <me>
/shoot <t>

I don't macro shooting at all though - I always do that myself for the same reason Kamena stated. It's only a max of 4 arrows too, not 5.
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#18 Feb 03 2004 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I do not think that leaping are better at all. Sure they have what 1 more dex or something but with Strider I can pull better than any other job out here. I can outrun pretty much everything oh and if things go sour and we have some mobs agro or link and have to run for it I never die not once unless it is a magical mob and binds me or somethin. It is almost like having permanent flee. It is also great for just strollin around town. And I am not sure but i think it has more agility.
#19 Feb 04 2004 at 12:03 AM Rating: Decent
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leaping = +3 dex and agi
strider = 2 agi and 12% movement. Yeah, it's like pernament flee >_>. I am not sure how you get into parties when you constantly fleeing from the battle. Strider is for pull, like guns, and not for battle.
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#20 Feb 04 2004 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm leveling up my WAR now, lvl 6 WAR/MNK. I seem to get a lot of criticals, using a temporary dagger (onion dagger!!) until lvl 8 when I can use my Great Axe. At ~lvl20 WAR I'm going to go 30THF/WAR and try for a few days to get Rabbit Charm and the Leaping Boots. Hopefully I'll be able to get them and sell them and have some nice cash for RNG. Leveling up my Xbow as a WAR hasn't been so bad, I hit for ~9 with dagger and 26 with xbow. Only gone through a stack and a half and my Marksmanship is 5 already. 5 Marksmanship for 800g is nice :). I prefer the Leaping Boots over the Striders, although I did look at them, but I do see your points.

And I also never bind /shoot in with macros, I prefer the flexibility of each command on its own.
#21 Feb 04 2004 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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As for the ammo cost, why not just make your own? Stone arrows are cheep to make. you'll just need a few crystal and some flintstones, and wood.
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#22 Feb 04 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not the cost of the low level arrows that are expensive. It's the cost of the high level ones (silver and above). You need a high woodworking skill (26 for silver I think) and you probably won't see any profit crafting these (unless you harvest your own wood and crystals). You're better off just fil farming IMHO.

I've heard you can see the benefits of crafting horn and above (skill 32??) but I still think you're better off gil farming east/weak mobs.
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