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#1 Dec 15 2003 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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"It's not about having a million gil or the best arrows...It's about having fun doing something you enjoy!"

I have recently joined your ranks as a noob Ranger! It's all very exciting. I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this class, and also the best possible subs. Easy on the "negativity" tho fellas, all the arguing over agility and dexerity (while problem solving and fun to ready) only cheapens the appearance of the Ranger Forum
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..."...let the other job forums and the main forum **** about who's right and wrong and why things suck!"
As well, that comment about 'not being a Ranger unless you have a couple million gil' was a pretty discouraging (not to metion thoughtless) thing to say... I have about 200gil in my hume slacks and like **** if that's gonna hold me back! Work hard, join the Carpenters guild, anything but whine about it...lol. Go Rangers! Rock it 'till your quiver is empty, then go down swinging!!

Edited, Mon Dec 15 16:26:45 2003 by LIAC
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#2 Dec 15 2003 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey y'all.
Alright, got my ranger up to lvl 12 last night from lvl 10 - and went through about 400 arrows. Also died twice, but that was just bad luck.
It's true, we go through arrows like a SAM50 through wild hares, but it doesn't have to be that bad. Some guidelines I try to follow:
1) Learn to make your arrows. If you can, learn to make your armor too. This can be really expensive to start with, but so far, I've been living on a shoestring budget (never more than 7k gil, and more often around 34 gil :P) and managed to survive. Know where to buy your materials cheap and don't be afraid to stock up when you do have the gil.
2) Take up fishing. Okay, yes, fishing is EXPENSIVE to start - the rod, the bait, etc. But, at the moment, a stack of moat carp goes for 4k on Unicorn in San d'Oria and costs about 800 gil in bait to catch (just made lvl 1 in fishing skill). Not a bad profit margin, and it's something to do while you're waiting for your AH items to sell :)
3) You've got that sword/dagger, USE IT. Not all dmg a ranger does needs to be with the bow. A DRG friend and I team up and kill tough mobs and, generally, I get away with 2 or 3 arrows a mob by throwing in a few melee blows as well. Granted, the dmg isn't as high, but when you're in a party, you aren't the only person dealing dmg either. Know when you need to fire and when you can get away with a stab. Your arrows are expensive, so don't just waste them.
4) Wide scan is your friend. No, really. If you're farming for synth materials or trying to make some money, use widescan and the track function to locate and kill the mobs with the best drops. Also, if you're pulling for a pt, use widescan to make sure there's no unexpected mobs in the area you're heading to. Not 100% effective, but far better than flying blind.
5) If you're REALLY concerned about gil shortages, get a THF05 or higher as your sub. Gilfinder works. Go farm orcs or gobs and start raking it in. There's no shame in hunting for money. Also, "Steal" comes in handy for sellable or synthable items.
6) Be prepared to tank. No, we don't have the HP for it. But we deal THE most damage of any melee class and, since we're also usually the pullers and getting first shot(s), we're probably going to get aggro and hold it a while. Make sure your equipment is up-to-spec, your hp is as close to healed after every battle as possible, and that you watch the mages' MP for any sudden dips.

Rangers really do get the short end of the stick. Few other classes *HAVE* to spend the equivalent of thousands of gil per level just to fight, and most other classes get more respect in pt. Because you're so likely to get aggro, WARs can look at you as another liability and WHM may get tired of healing you EVERY fight. Rangers aren't really "melee" and aren't casters, so the pt dynamics take a little more effort and thought.
It is worth it, though. Watch your team's jaws drop the first time you do an eagle eye shot, or as you rake a mob with arrows. As we learned during our quest, rangers exist for the hunt and excel at it where others are only mediocre in comparison.
Live by the fang, die by the fang, leave only the fang behind.
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#3 Dec 15 2003 at 8:49 PM Rating: Good
Hear, hear. Words of wisdom.

Making gil WILL become your focus if you aren't loaded. And rangers are an uncommon class and not much is known about us (more than once I have heard "you're the first ranger I have ever grouped with"). Every bow shot costs gil. Everything must be sacrificed on the altar of increased ranged damage.

I did the bard job quest for the gil. And I wasn't proud. I made an alt to farm stuff in Windurst to sell elsewhere. I find things for sale on vendors in one city and sell them on AH in another. I craft whenever I can. It is a lot of work, and at least 2-3 hours of every play session is spent working on crafting or playing AH or just running from one place to another.

The rewards are nice, though. Bringing a mob into the camp 10% dead from one shot... or if it was taking the long way around, two shots dead... just feels nice.

It's a tough road, often a lonely one, but worth it! Go Rangers of Vana'Diel!
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My Journal: A Ranger of Vana'Diel
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#4 Dec 16 2003 at 1:03 AM Rating: Default
PLEASE etha or someone! I need to know how to make arrows or what crafts I need to do! I need guide lines if you will, I am aspiring to become a ranger but I want to be prepared, I dont want to jump out by the seat of my pants. I wanna be able to hit level 1 ranger and be well off to start with in making arrows having equipment even if its made by my own hands, I get around 5 hours a day to play this game (YES I have no life! go me!) anyways, I heard do it in you spare time, to me I really dont have spare time...I exp and exp and exp but if crafting will be the easier route I want to know how to do it. I have seen no websites that can set me some guide lines. If you want to send me info by email thats fine to. BUT I need guide lines, what crafts to get to what how much time should i really spend, or should I hit to level 30 THEN start doing the crafting? Im confused >.> so please help me out

-Aspiring Ranger o_O
#5 Dec 16 2003 at 1:09 AM Rating: Decent
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Hear, Hear! I agree completely. I've only been a ranger for 2 days but I've noticed the following(some already mentioned)
1) Make your own gear! Saves bundles, I've risen several levels in crafting in a short time. I plan on stayng ~lvl 10 so I can farm some items and get my skil to a point where I can make my arrows easily and can sell items for porfit.
2) Ranger is incredibly fun. I read several posts here that stated you must have millions of gil and all kinds of crazy gear. Not necessary, it is expensive and it is difficult, but not impossible. If I really must I can take time out to farm materiel for my crafting.
3) If you need to buy arrows (I foresee buying iron arrows as my smithing skill isn't near high enough) buy them from shops, not the auction house. A stack of 99 sells for 800 at the weapon shop in Jeuno, at the AH its twice that, 1600.
#6 Dec 16 2003 at 1:35 PM Rating: Default
As a starting Ranger myself I can attest to the horrible upkeep of arrows, then again...I was wasting alot until I realized my Shortbow was a waste of time and money, so I bought a better bow :P Later I'll be using scan to farm Zhuu Duu to get the Hunter's Bow. Either way you slice it, being a Ranger is about committment. How much you are committed to the job.

Like all jobs, the people who are the most committed are the people who will stay on past 15-20.

And by the way, in Bastok on my server, you can buy Beetle Arrows (+5 RA, 17DMG) for 800 gil at the auction house. Much better than Iron Arrows, which, for some reason go for almost twice as much.
#7 Dec 16 2003 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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To the anon asking about crafting:

I'm about to say something that will shock and depress most people who have spent the last two months lvling to get their ADV job:
No more power-levelling.
Okay, there, I've said it. Now for the meat of the matter.
Crafting is all about resources - time, effort, money. If you have a lot of money but no time or not willing to give the effort, don't craft. But your stuff at AH or NPCs, or pay a friend to craft for you.
Synthing wood arrows or bone arrows can be done at lower woodoworking levels, though you'd need to buy the Yagudo fletchings (they require a lvl-20-something crafting skill, look in the recipe list) for the bone arrows. Unfortunately, that only works to lvl 13. At lvl 14, you need iron arrows at least, and these can't be crafted until woodworking is at 21 at least.
I've found that I spend at least two hours synthing or harvesting materials for every hour levelling. I use my lvl 30 thief for farming or running around, mostly because I'm lvling my ranger with a friend and he's not always on. As it is, I've got to power-lvl my craft skills shortly (I'm at lvl 12 and only 3 or 4 in woodworking) or synthing will become mostly useless. I'm also trying to raise my fishing skill, so that adds even more time.
The way the armor and weapons are spread out between the crafts, you almost have to raise all of them simultaneously to do any real good. This isn't for people who are rushing for levels or trying to get somewhere fast - it takes lots of patience and lots of effort.
For more specific concerns on synthing, check out the guilds forum in the main forums list.
Back to the original issue.
I believe that to play Final Fantasy to its fullest potential, a person cannot be power-levelling characters (this is only my belief, but seems supported by the game system itself). Days of non-stop fighting will be non-existent or far between. The game seems designed to force the character to grow slowly, over time, with care and effort. Most N/A players I know plan on taking this path with their advanced class if they take it at all; many only want the lvls and the abilities that come with them.
I hope I find the resources I put into synthing worth the effort. I think I will, but that is yet to be seen.
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#8 Dec 16 2003 at 7:50 PM Rating: Decent
Hideously expensive. I'm a pauper now! Beetle rings, making furniture because there seemed to be an opportunity there, and watching the market crash once it was found most furniture only adds one slot of storage, arrows arrows arrows...... new bow, farming crystals for sale and use.....

Rangering takes a lot of work! I think maybe ninja is as expensive. Ranger/Ninja must be the most incredibly expensive combo imaginable.
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Woodworking 10, Clothmaking 2, Smithing 1, Cooking 2
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#9 Dec 19 2003 at 5:22 AM Rating: Default
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i let out the secret of the RANGER class. money isnt really that big of a deal. dont be a gimp ranger please. dont use your melee weapion unless your gonna skillchain red lotus blade. i dont do any market scams. Just play but have rules. on my Server. Asura and Fairy Fire Crystals sell for 1500 gil at the local AH. i Carry 99 Silver Arrows which are pretty expensive but i only use them when i feel that it is needed. i think all rangers should carry Silver bullets on them or Fire arrows ext ext ext but dont make then your prim ammo. i think that most rangers should spend 5k every 2 or 3 levels on 1000 Bone arrows. and shoot them off at will. dont melee once agian , its bad and gives rangers a bad name... it is fair trust me. Casters spend the same ammout of money on their spells as we do arrows. Cure 3?? 10k or 2000 bone arrows which should last you 5 levels, unless your leveling VERY slow. Buy your arrows... from merchant. it is i guess Cheaper to farm your own arrows, farm i mean you go out and kill stuff to get the items to make your arrows. if you want to make arrows in bulk and not waste days camping supplys. you need to hit up your local AH and buy the items in stacks , which costs just about the same as buying them, not to mention faling and just blowing money. most arrows take a network of trade skills to make. which you will waste all this money trying to get them to the right level. and buyying in bulk from a merchant saves you all this time. so what i mean is , As you EXP in normal pickup groups as most rangers will. use cheap arrows. depend mainly on the infinate damage of your bow. when Darks do the same damage as you and you have the best bow for your level that means its time to move up in your type of arrows. you can use bone arrows till god at least 40 and still do respectable damage. as long as you keep your bow updated. allways carry 1 or 2 stacks of EXPENSIVE up to date shiny new arrows. and use those when your have a double pull or a IT mob or when you are killing a strong mob with your linkshell. Yes all this stuff does cost but if you just play the game you will make money to buy arrows and even more to buy new gear. just play and EXP. Quest and have fun!
#10 Dec 19 2003 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
There is no reason to use the bow continuously. I build up TP using my Beestinger on merely tough mobs, then when sharpshot is up, let loose a deadly barrage of highly accurate arrows to take down the next VT/IT mob. Sure, I guess doing 51+ points of damage will take down tough mobs easier than plinking away at them with my dagger, but they're dying fast anyway, and I'd rather save the TP for mobs that need it most.

I keep a stack or two of bone arrows for emergencies, but use iron arrows usually. They can be cheaply bought (I suspect more cheaply than they can be made), and unlike bone arrows, you can make quivers from them to hold vast amounts of arrows in one inventory slot.

I don't get enough crystals in normal play to afford anything. Qufim on Asura is beastman controlled; no crystals. Nothing but a pair of smelly Gigas socks dropped in the Delkfut Tower group I was in, and in Kazham tonight, all we got were near-worthless earth crystals. Sometimes, the mandragora would drop five at a time... So I have to use another character to solo newbie areas for crystals and salable loot, which takes time. So I spare my arrows, using maybe 4-5 a fight, until Sharp Shot and Piercing Arrow are up, for a VT or IT mob. And then I give it everything. Very effective.
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Tipa, Mithra of Sand Oreo, WHM46/MNK30/RNG26/RDM14/SMN12/THF6/BST4/PAL1/BRD1, Asura
Woodworking 10, Clothmaking 2, Smithing 1, Cooking 2
Rank 4
My Journal: A Ranger of Vana'Diel
[ Ranger Gear ] - [ White Mage Gear ]
#11 Dec 20 2003 at 4:06 PM Rating: Default
hehee currently im a ranger in ramuh ... lv 27 ...

i can feel the problem of rangers .. each shot cost gil
but like some others said .. conserve your arrows ... no need to shot multitude of arrows if you dont have to do that .
obviously dont use arrows while farming ^^
usually i shot continuously if i need to raise my skill lvl .. but after i hit the cap , i build tp with sword and arrows (5-8 shots / monster) then let those deadly bow ws with sharpshot up ....

and just before log i will use my 2hr ability ^^

honestly speaking .. i do have severe problem with money .....
because of cost of ammo :)
but im still happy to be a ranger

im thinking of combination of rng/sam or rng/nin
i might go for rng/nin tho :)
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