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#1 Apr 08 2012 at 2:03 AM Rating: Good
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Hello Dark Knights of alla, I have a fairly simple question to ask you all about these two weapons. I keep hearing totally different things about each of these two swords. Like Torcleaver is a more powerful WS, ragnarok's crit rate makes it superior to calamablah etc etc.And so I figure i'd make atleast 1 empy/relic (F@%$ mythic) before i actually quit this game(which is probably sooner rather then later), and dark knights G. swords look nice. so.... which is more powerful and why if i might ask?
#2 Apr 08 2012 at 2:34 AM Rating: Decent
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It all comes down to honestly which do you really have more time for. Emp you can do in a week or less, relic probably in a couple months. Just remember emp u will get caught up at 85 or 90 depending on your friends, and relic you can get to 95 pretty easily with the trials. You are going to spam resolution anyways.
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#3 Apr 08 2012 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Tbh im mostly solo at this point. My job basically keeps till around Jp prime time and most everyone is asleep. So i very rarely have lsmates/friends to help me along. Except on weekends..... if no mandatory overtime lol
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#4 Apr 08 2012 at 6:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Torcleaver is ****

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ODD is vastly overrated when you have a 30:70 split.

DRK can pass up both of their Empys and be far better off. Seriously. Don't bother.

Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
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#5 Apr 11 2012 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
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TL;DR version: Do Apoc if you've really got a **** for something shiny and make an OAT Great Sword for beating things up. Or ya know, do whatever you wanna lol...it's your character. I would do Apoc/OAT GS if I had the time/money/will to live harder in ffxi.
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#6 May 04 2012 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree with Apoc and the 2-4x great sword. As most people said even if you have a nice great sword, you won't use the weaponskill. Resolution spamming is godly. No one has time to standing by on a VW or a NM, while ou build tp with a long delay weapon.

The 4x great sword can be made in a week. Level sync and do many trials outside windy.

The time you save making the 4x you an get your +2 hands from dyna, and quest the ToM. This will add ten seconds to blood weapon. Doing that on a multi hit weapon will own.



I do use apoc when soloing. I use the 4x great sword in exp or on VW or Legion zerg.

Edited, May 4th 2012 6:39am by kimjongil76
#7 May 04 2012 at 4:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Apoc is a better lowman zerger than 2-4 GS

OAT GS is a much higher performer all around.
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#8 Jul 29 2012 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
Well, its totally your choice, i personally went with Rag. Yeah Scourge only gives 5% crit with aftermath, but the sword itself at 95 gives 11% and at 99 gives you 14%. Even with that aside, what has not been mentioned is the 2.5x damage procs, no aftermath needed. What I am unsure of is if the 2.5 dmg can proc on WS, its still to new to totally be able to tell. But let me tell you, that the 2.5x damage is VERY noticable. Also the base damage is considerably higher with Rag. Assuming your not taking Calad to 95 your looking at 120 dmg (calad 90) to 133 dmg (rag 95)

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#9 Jul 30 2012 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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OAT GS is 90% of the output for 10% of the work.

Not knocking Rag in the least, it's just that for the same effort you could have an Apoc with far more breadth in application (tool around with 4-hit, solo 90% of abyssea, solo 100% of pre-99 content, farm Dynamis subless, stuff like that). If you wanna win Voidwatch parses go play WAR...

So yeah, Rag is just fine if you just play Gimp-WAR-with-Dread-Spikes.
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#10 Jul 30 2012 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
Rae yeah your right, OAT is less work, and Apoc allows for much more solo ability. Part of why I chose rag is that I have WAR also. But based on the OP's question, Rag is more powerful then Calad, but a heck of a lot more gil/time to do
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On the contrary, 99 Rag is staggeringly cheaper than 99 or even 95 Caladbolg. 1500 plates alone pretty much pays for Rag's currency and marrows, let's not even discuss Dross which is easily another 25 mil and that's if you can even find any when trying to beat the Ukon owners to it.

Edited, Jul 30th 2012 12:53pm by Raelix
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#13 Aug 09 2012 at 7:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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DRKs with apocalypse are gimp, greatsword or GTFO


In that hands of a competent Drk, an Apocalypse is still an amazing weapon. Sure it may fall a bit short in terms of weaponskill damage, but the damage from the TP phase, especially in longer fights, will make up for it. Yes, I can't argue with the fact that Resolution is an amazing weaponskill, but well geared Apocalypse Drks are far from gimp.

Edited, Aug 9th 2012 9:07am by Vlorsutes
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Vlorsutes wrote:
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DRKs with apocalypse are gimp, greatsword or GTFO


In that hands of a competent Drk, an Apocalypse is still an amazing weapon. Sure it may fall a bit short in terms of weaponskill damage, but the damage from the TP phase, especially in longer fights, will make up for it. Yes, I can't argue with the fact that Resolution is an amazing weaponskill, but well geared Apocalypse Drks are far from gimp.

Edited, Aug 9th 2012 9:07am by Vlorsutes



Actually Vlor ... Rag has better melee damage then Apoc for a few reasons. Apoc's damage bonus is 2.0x while Rag is 2.5x. Rag's passive bonus is +14% crit rate while Apoc's passive is add effect blind and fSTR favors Rag which already had a preferable DMG:Delay ratio. When focusing on pure damage then 99 Rag > 99 Apoc all around, usually by at least 10~15%.

Where Apoc shines is when the DRK is soloing or low manning older content or Neo Nyzule Isle. Catastrophe's HP drain effect allows the DRK to keep their HP up while having capped gear haste with PDT / MDT on. Makes for less damage then a Rag DRK but much harder to kill. Also it bears mentioning that Apoc is MUCH easier to build a low x-hit gear set for. Rag is a royal pain in the **** for it's 431 delay.

As Rae put it

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Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.


Edited, Aug 21st 2012 9:59am by saevellakshmi

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#15 Aug 21 2012 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for recapping the thread.
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#16 Aug 22 2012 at 12:30 AM Rating: Good
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I think i read the skillchain chart wrong but if you /sam wouldn't you want to use scourge -> Resolution for a light skillchain to double resolution damage when using sekkanoki?
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It'd only be a 100tp Scourge opening, so only 30 seconds or whatever of +5% crit rate, the skillchain could be 'stepped on' by someone else's WS, and even if they did chain (not positive myself) the Light damage could be resisted not to mention we don't have stuff like DNC's Skillchain Bonus.
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#18 Aug 22 2012 at 3:08 AM Rating: Good
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Could be worth a shot in low man pt's. I don't have Ragnarok so have no chance of testing it what so ever.
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Apoc is that car you wanted to buy but everyone warns you is not the fastest/most comfortable/and you need to really get to know it to keep it running well. An Apoc is a certified pre-owned Porche 911.

Rag is that car that you will have fun with, can't possibly let you down thanks to reso and any **** idiot could use. Rag is the Nissan GTR with a warranty.

Fulgurante is the car that takes so much less effort than the other two and you will get miles and miles of use out of on a dime. Fulgurante is a 96 Honda Civic that an old woman drove, in blue.

Calda is that strange car that looks fast and probably is but no one really gives two **** because it got a bad rap. But rest assured, it needs a **** of a driver to be the Porche or Nissan. Calda, is a Panoz or Lotus...whatever.

Redemtion is a **** trap, so a first generation Fiskar.

Liberator is the Dukes of Hazard General Lee or the Bat Mobile. It's **** cool as **** but you can't have one so stop asking.

Now get drunk enough so that this makes sense and figure out what you wanna be behind the wheel of.
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Ragnarok is a Bugatti Veyron. Giant brute-force pig.

OAT GS is a Koenigsegg Agera. Super refined and just as fast, but held back by venue to really demonstrate this.

Apoc is a Lamborghini Aventador. Not quite as fast, but enough power and tech to throw around just fine.

Caladbolg is a Nissan GTR. Doesn't compete with any of the above until you drop a retarded amount of money into it, and is still a pig. Redemption is the new Toyota Supra: ugly as **** with the same problems as Caladbolg.

Liberator is a Noble M600. People say 'WTF?' when you have one, you can probably blow their doors off, but just getting one is a nightmare and you can probably then afford any of the others on this list easily.
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