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#1 Oct 13 2011 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, so my quest has ended. I ot the scythe. But I am confused as the mods say int agi. Some people say don't follow mods, but just add str/dex.

Then others try telling me to buld for aftermath or haste to self SC.

And then what Atmas would you recomend in abby?

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#2 Oct 13 2011 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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How the **** do you get an Apoc and not know what to do with it or what the aftermath does?

Let's leave this be for now as a lesson in basic research...
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#3 Oct 13 2011 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I know the aftermath is haste.

But some non relic holders were saying stuff not posted on wiki.

As for gil. you can make 30m a week easily off crour :). helped finish stage 4-5 :)

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Had to dig at you a little, cause that's exactly what your original post sounded like and I'm in a bit of a crappy mood. :)

Put 16% haste in your TP set, too often you'll start a fight with TP anyway for having a 25/26% haste set to matter.

DRK has a lot of STR+INT pieces, look into those for Cata. AGI is less viable.

Trying to dig up some sets from FFXIAH, but one of the apoc owners around here will probably cough some up.

Edited, Oct 13th 2011 3:41pm by Raelix
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...lol. just, seriously, i don't know even.
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I just stack on the str and attack, don't even bother with the Int, because I do believe that it only effects the amount drained back.

And do u have the 95 version?
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I just stack on the str and attack, don't even bother with the Int, because I do believe that it only effects the amount drained back.

And do u have the 95 version?



INT and AGI are damage mods you can test it on low level mobs or in Abyssea where fSTR and XP will be capped on fodder in there.

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I think UNC is just trolling the op troll. I don't think people who believe INT and other secondary mods only affect added effects really exist anymore. At least I like to dream they don't, or that they'd never get an Apoc.




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#11 Oct 15 2011 at 5:34 AM Rating: Default
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I only had the scythe for 24 hours. I just finished the third trial. A few more to go. Seems some LS members and friends offering to help when harder trails come about.

Off to WS 300 birds.
#12 Oct 15 2011 at 3:02 PM Rating: Decent
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...it's like any other physical weaponskill. it's not magical or special. how, after all the time you (presumably) spent on a relic do you not know how to gear for a WS macro?
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#13 Oct 15 2011 at 6:45 PM Rating: Default
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gigasnail wrote:
...it's like any other physical weaponskill. it's not magical or special. how, after all the time you (presumably) spent on a relic do you not know how to gear for a WS macro?


Wiki said one thing, relic holders another. And in all honestly last time i used it was perhaps 2008 when Ls's did group dynamics.

Your welcome to see my scythe. I am not hard to miss as my name is Presidentobama on my server.

Tips I got would be ignore Int/Agi. Do Str/atk

Also build a Pdt set.

Overall I played blu, but crour made it possible for me to finish my relic. So now my drk can shine.

Edited, Oct 15th 2011 8:52pm by kimjongil76
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Another fun thing about Apoc WS is it ignores shadows.
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#15 Oct 15 2011 at 9:21 PM Rating: Decent
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grats on your relic. go donkey punch some **** with it. i'm not sure if you're trolling of if you really didn't expect some epic /facepalm from everyone when you show up with 'hey i got my relic how i gear for WS?' thread though.
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Having read other posts by the OP, the question was expected.
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true enough.
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#18 Dec 11 2011 at 12:05 PM Rating: Default
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So I been using my scythe and got it up to 90.

I listened to many peolpes advice on atmas, but I felt it was weak. After researching Atmas myself I came across one no one mentioned.

Atma of the roaring laughter. +50 str + 12% counter "perhaps higher" It seems it is, and it says evasion 30, but when equip the atma it doesnt raise evasion.

Anyway with VV, strout arm and this atma and no buffs you get 870 attack. The counter procs very high so your doing 300-600 counter attacks.

My question though why would no one ever think of this atma. My guess is its a Quested atma in Ulrange, and you can't just kill a NM to get it, but its truely insane.

The three atmas combined.

+150 str
2 tic regain
10% double attack
12% or higher counter
among other buffs, you should break 300 str np.

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Atma of the roaring laughter. +50 str + 12% counter "perhaps higher" It seems it is, and it says evasion 30, but when equip the atma it doesnt raise evasion.

My question though why would no one ever think of this atma.
An atma no one would ever think to use.

Evasion is not the same as Evasion Skill.


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#20 Dec 12 2011 at 3:59 AM Rating: Decent
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You're why nobody takes DRK seriously, even SE.
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#21kimjongil76, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 5:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Sorry I don't need to brew spam and get a emp or all af+3 withen a day or week. What in return makes the game boring and no challange. This is why SE is making things hard again, what I do welcome. As for you, get a relic or shut up as you acomplish nothing meaningful.
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Any 'accomplishment' in FFXI is directly tied to one's ability to make pawns of others, especially pre-change Relics.

But I was just calling you a moron, no need to make a serious discussion about it.

Also there's a teeny tiny thing called a 'negative sign' on the evasion on Roaring Laughter. Should still be fairly irrelevant on DRK.

Edited, Dec 12th 2011 4:19am by Raelix
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kimjongil76 wrote:
So I been using my scythe and got it up to 90.

I listened to many peolpes advice on atmas, but I felt it was weak. After researching Atmas myself I came across one no one mentioned.

Atma of the roaring laughter. +50 str + 12% counter "perhaps higher" It seems it is, and it says evasion 30, but when equip the atma it doesnt raise evasion.

Anyway with VV, strout arm and this atma and no buffs you get 870 attack. The counter procs very high so your doing 300-600 counter attacks.

My question though why would no one ever think of this atma. My guess is its a Quested atma in Ulrange, and you can't just kill a NM to get it, but its truely insane.

The three atmas combined.

+150 str
2 tic regain
10% double attack
12% or higher counter
among other buffs, you should break 300 str np.




Unfortunately that is a terrible set up. With abyssites/gear/food fSTR is already closed to capped. (If its not) making all that extra STR very underwelming. RR is the best atma for DD and should alway be used. Beyond that the number one issue with DRK is swing frequency which is where AandO and Apoc are used.

All the atma combos have been mathed to death for DRK, there is no hidden or unthought of combo at this point.
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#24 Dec 12 2011 at 7:00 PM Rating: Decent
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I use VV, RR and Apoc (because I am to lazy to set others, and have nearly all the atmas). lol
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#25kimjongil76, Posted: Dec 12 2011 at 9:23 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Unfortunately that is a terrible set up. With abyssites/gear/food fSTR is already closed to capped. (If its not) making all that extra STR very underwelming. RR is the best atma for DD and should alway be used. Beyond that the number one issue with DRK is swing frequency which is where AandO and Apoc are used.
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Atma of the Roaring Laughter with its counter rate serves as damage midigation and increases your swings all at the same time.
OOOOoooorrrr.... you could go for triple attack, actually gain tp from those extra swings (yea, that's right- counters give no TP), and spam Cata more often for HP drain.
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OOOOoooorrrr.... you could go for triple attack, actually gain tp from those extra swings (yea, that's right- counters give no TP), and spam Cata more often for HP drain.


You see this? Don't do this. Seriously. Don't. Xypin is a crazy one. You go on doing what you're doing.


Ok seriously though. Do what he says. Please. See? I even asked nicely.
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#28kimjongil76, Posted: Dec 13 2011 at 2:16 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Are you serous? In a exp, I wouldn't even take my drk. Monsters die many times before you can even get off one weaponskill in a exp party. If I wanted exp I'd dual box FC or CW and end up getting more than a exp party combined.
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Then stop ******* about, set RR/GH/RL and go /MNK. 75% counter rate and mobs attack a lot faster than you much of the time, and rapes the sh*t out of whatever WS rate you might hope to achieve with minimal support.

It pretty much doubles your melee output, which on top of GH/RR is already better than doubled to begin with. Your puny 2k WS every 15 seconds is no match for the UNGODLY FURY of 600+ damage counters against a double-attacking 340 delay mob.

Casually tanking Amarok while drunk was so much fun. I almost put my WHM to sleep and I swear they were healing me with Cure 4 half the time.

If you're the only melee, nothing beats /MNK with RR/GH/RL.

Edited, Dec 13th 2011 4:28am by Raelix
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#30 Dec 13 2011 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I go away for a while and wtf is this ****?

If you have an Apocalypse and are playing in Abyssea, stick with RR/Lion/Apoc. You can go with A&O instead of Lion if you really need the Attack I guess, but -10% Physical Damage, More HP for SE and survival, and Apoc DRK's already ridiculously high attack means it's generally better.

/SAM is the only sub when you have Apoc. Regain Atma is virtually useless unless you're procing as a DRK with something other than your big *** scythe.

Why does anyone even respond to the trolltard?

Can't wait till I get the time off to actually play and get my Apoc to 99. Hoping they put some more hidden goodies on it like a another damage boost and a longer aftermath duration.
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Can't wait till I get the time off to actually play and get my Apoc to 99. Hoping they put some more hidden goodies on it like a another damage boost and a longer aftermath duration.

Good Luck.

Want to make a wager who gets 99 first?

Honestly though, you will probably win.



Edited, Dec 19th 2011 6:00am by kimjongil76
#32 Dec 19 2011 at 5:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Noone will get 99 Apoc within the next 3 years unless everyone magically starts going after Arch DL because as it stands you need 1000 of his drops and only drops one per kill.
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#33 Dec 24 2011 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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LVL 95 AOC mine!!!! It calls out for more pwer! DAMM you SE, release it already!
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Enjoy being outdamaged by AH Great Swords.
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I trust you mean he should have fun getting outdamaged by a Gram Resolution setup because he sucks and can't use Apoc for ****, right?
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I trust you mean he should have fun getting outdamaged by a Gram Resolution setup because he sucks and can't use Apoc for sh*t, right?

More testament to how ****** Scythe is in general now, but you're free to be more specific.

I've still not seen proof he actually has Apoc anyway. As fast as he claims to have done it, I know for sure he either has a 95 Apoc or a Girlfriend, but not both.
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#37 Dec 24 2011 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Enjoy being outdamaged by AH Great Swords.



Don't know buy already on stage 4 relic great sword!!! 32,000,000 crour and climbing :) for it.

Hey L jades going for 600k, 100 bills 500k. So easy to make.

Edited, Dec 24th 2011 10:24am by kimjongil76
#38 Dec 24 2011 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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It's pretty easy to get a relic these days, which is sad because while it wasnt really hard before, the process used to weed out retards.

And while typical GS builds are better than typical Scythe builds now, Apocalypse is still far and away the hands down best DD weapon for DRK. Nothing really even comes close outside of a strong Caladbolg build.
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