So... Aspir IIFollow

Uh, could anyone who has it gimme a rundown? Because it seems super-bad, I read on the wiki someone put up an 8-second cast time? Is that true? Because that would need some real hardcore awesomeness to be justified. That's in the realm of higher-end tier 4 nukes...

So, it's crap, right? (Please let me be wrong somehow?)

Uh, how much of a lot more? Does that really matter? If the mobs had mp, I already could keep my mp up all I wanted with regular aspir...

Yes, because gimping your melee capability by switching out PCC/Ancient torque/j.torque and Berk +1/Adaberk/Nocturnus mail for a 2MP/tic refresh is so much better than taking a few seconds casting Aspir. And I'm sure pimping Plastron when running an AoE-heavy campaign battle will surely save you some MP when you have to heal yourself.

Seriously, do you even think before you post, anymore?

cue facepalm.gif

thanks, i needed that.

You know, assuming the quote you mangled specifically mentioned using Aspir on mobs--suggesting he was talking about mobs on which Aspir does, in fact, work--and assuming I listed items that would only serve a purpose when you're actually fighting something, I assumed you would make the necessary cognitive leap to realize I obviously wasn't talking about idle gear. (And no, idle gear bringing you to 2-3 MP/tic refresh is not enough unless the event you're running allows you to sit around with your thumb up your ass for long periods of time in between fights. You won't always have a RDM to refresh. If you request a BRD or COR to give you refresh rolls over melee rolls, you should leave this board immediately and leave your DRK card at the door.)

This beautiful message of, "REFRESH IS NOT ENOUGH MP, YOU HAVE TO USE ASPIR," is brought to you by someone who's always known that casting dark magic gimps overall damage, but has always casted it anyway because it made things easier on the support jobs. Not everyone who disagrees with one of your spastic, infantile opinions is out to get you for every last one of them, you know. There is no Anti-Raelix Cabal(tm), unless you consider having a fully functional cerebral cortex as anathema to your very existence.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm done overestimating your intelligence--which I previously pegged as high enough that you could make even menial logical leaps--so I'll just sit back and laugh while you continue frothing at the mouth and insisting you're some sort of DRK scholar despite having precious little idea how to even f*cking play the job.

Put one up on Threadless for <$10, and I'm there.

It will match the club's hat, that I've already purchased to support our wholly benevolent, terribly non-secretive endeavors.

Maybe it's because I've never bothered to look at the math in this game, but wut? Are you getting double minuets? And chaos roll? I've always noticed an increase in damage from more attack on merit level mobs when I actually do get those buffs with marches so why wouldn't attack from a better (more attack if you're capping ACC because you have good gear) food help you as well?

He knows masa did extensive testing recently and found the caps were higher and entire pDIF equation changed, ya?

and I still haven't seen anything supporting a 2.2 ratio cap for melee (any non-relax DRK want to help me out w/ high atk parses?).

If you're getting dia III you're looking at ~740atk for cap w/o melee ratio cap and ~630 w/ cap.

w/ dia II - 789 / 670
w/o dia - 875 / 742


and that's on squishy stuff, higher level mobs (like most of the ones we're leveling on now) take more.



Shinta: enemy of presenting inconclusive evidence as fact

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 1:23pm by shintasama

Amazingly that thread is still there, and I'd love for you to show me where I agreed with you. 'cus when I look at it I see that I showed situations that shouldn't be able to exist with that ->WS<- cap, which you tried to explain away saying the test wasn't controlled enough (which is true), but in the end we needed more/better testing for anything definitive rather then just jumping to conclusions. Particularly if you want it to apply to melee as well.

It's in the same thread as everything thing else (2010/6/19).

data shortcut:
http://ffxidmgformula.googlecode.com/files/Distributions%20study%20v1.1.xls

pass, and I don't trust anything you'd show not to be fabricated.

Really someone should have done what I suggested three years ago (when I was doing WS acc testing and yarko first presented his pdif data) and run tests (melee and WS) on lv76 (T only) Steelshells at various ATKs/STRs instead of all the various crap tests we've gotten, but at this point in the game I just don't care anymore.



also: people like you are why I lol@lolwiki

You're the one running around changing the wiki and claiming pDIF works X way when there is evidence to show that it doesn't or at least that isn't the whole story, how is burden of proof mine? I just don't think you should mislead people based on non-fact and poor tests. I told Yarko the same thing three years ago and his testing turned out just as wrong as I told him it was in the exact way I told him he should be careful to test.

ie:
is not what you should present to other people as "hard truth". At the very least note there are still unknowns/uncertainties.

lolwut? I disagree with you on something I've always disagreed with you on, and I'm being respectful about it. Don't make idle threats.

You don't use Stun?

I'm not questioning the rationale behind your Refresh argument, I just found it interesting that you didn't mention Stun at all.

Edited, Jul 5th 2010 7:58pm by Spoonless

You don't present hypothesis as facts to people who don't know better, it's dishonest and completely irresponsible.

And linking XKCD achieves... what exactly? Can you not express your argument without resorting to webcomic humour?

Except that Arucaurd was usually right.

And there I was thinking it was just 'cos I'm too dumb to get the point of XKCD.

I laffed.

You're reaching here. :P He probably just merits with his LS.

Just pointing out that giga is basing what "usually" is bad on his own experiences with a damned static support line. As giga often does, with everything, because he seems to have an awesome static and an awesome LS for all his awesome-xi events. So thus his standards become awesome-or-leave.

I need to be the one standing up for us non-awesome players you see.

Spoilerawesome

you're back?

I'm on right now!

and didn't I tell ya you'd be back? ey? ey? Ya. Anyways, I'm up for things and junk.

if you're interested in settling for mediocrity, not much point in continuing the conversation. i dunno what else to tell you.

because hitting a couple of macros is REALLY @#%^ing hard. you kids have fun, i think i'm pretty much done here.