What's the best sub-job for a Dark Knight.
I had a strange idea.
A Paladin-Dark knight!
Strange idea,right.
Or is it a good idea?
Please tell it.
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Winston Churchill wrote:
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/PLD doesn't really have a niche . . . it does nothing for you offensively . . . doesn't really offer enough defense to matter . . . for cures you're better off going /whm/rdm/sch for the extra utility spells too and larger mp.
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The key things you would ever want to sub PLD for are:
25(50) Shield Mastery 37(74) Flash 30(60) Sentinel 35(70) Auto Refresh 15(30) Shield Bash
Subsequently, PLD rarely makes a very good subjob.
On DRK, I have only made good use of WAR, SAM, DRG and NIN subjobs. DNC as always for solo. I used WAR 1-70, then SAM 70-75, DRG whenever at 75 depending on the amount of haste I'll be getting, and NIN situationally including for Nyzul.
/WHM in Dunes for funsies.
/BLM if you want to make people laugh (and for warp).
/RNG for acc bonus 20-30 before /WAR gets Berserk
/NIN before 60 but after you get Rampage (debatable).
/BST if you are into that.
everything else is just being silly.
Also, since you are asking this question, skill up Scythe primarily, but if you can; use Great Axe and Shield Break for WS. The evasion down effect really will benefit your party.
Edit: spelling
Edited, Jan 25th 2010 3:36pm by mikeyc
Subsequently, PLD rarely makes a very good subjob.
On DRK, I have only made good use of WAR, SAM, DRG and NIN subjobs. DNC as always for solo. I used WAR 1-70, then SAM 70-75, DRG whenever at 75 depending on the amount of haste I'll be getting, and NIN situationally including for Nyzul.
/WHM in Dunes for funsies.
/BLM if you want to make people laugh (and for warp).
/RNG for acc bonus 20-30 before /WAR gets Berserk
/NIN before 60 but after you get Rampage (debatable).
/BST if you are into that.
everything else is just being silly.
Also, since you are asking this question, skill up Scythe primarily, but if you can; use Great Axe and Shield Break for WS. The evasion down effect really will benefit your party.
Edit: spelling
Edited, Jan 25th 2010 3:36pm by mikeyc
95THF
Bismarck
Bismarck
PLD/DRK works well....for....JoL. Yeah that's about it. Oh and maybe dynamis. Piss off with that DRK/PLD nonsense.
/sch for dreadspikes funzies.
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
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gigasnail wrote:
i'm lighting the freak signal here, sara help me out ~
Redding wrote:
Same ol' Sara now with 50% less hidden penis
I have an excellent screenshot on my old PC of a member trying to justify why he came to limbus (had soap, teleported, got card before we noticed it) as a drk/pld. "If I go /thf I get too much hate" I believe was the excuse.
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Moon.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Edited, Jan 27th 2010 2:46pm by LordFaramir
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Moon.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Edited, Jan 27th 2010 2:46pm by LordFaramir
drk = 80 sam = 76
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.FFXIV woo eh..
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.
milich wrote:
buttfucking
LordFaramir wrote:
I have an excellent screenshot on my old PC of a member trying to justify why he came to limbus (had soap, teleported, got card before we noticed it) as a drk/pld. "If I go /thf I get too much hate" I believe was the excuse.
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
It's good because it's not a Great Sword WS, but a BLU spell.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH
Lucinus wrote:
LordFaramir wrote:
I have an excellent screenshot on my old PC of a member trying to justify why he came to limbus (had soap, teleported, got card before we noticed it) as a drk/pld. "If I go /thf I get too much hate" I believe was the excuse.
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
It's good because it's not a Great Sword WS, but a BLU spell.
Quote:
I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
I did this
1-19 /war
20-29 /rng
30-59 /war
60-75 /sam just because I was already getting hate for swinging at the mob ^^ At least I could swing faster and meditate all I want :P
1-19 /war
20-29 /rng
30-59 /war
60-75 /sam just because I was already getting hate for swinging at the mob ^^ At least I could swing faster and meditate all I want :P
Drk, Bst, Nin, War, Drg, Sam, Mnk, Dnc, Smn, Rng, Thf, Blu, Cor 99
Rune 74, Blm 30, Geo 11
Kannagi(85)
Fulgurante OaT(99) 5-hit
Herja's Fork 5-hit
Ukonvasara 85! 0/75 Claws
Almace in progress 5/50 Helms 42/50 Skins 2/75 Horns
Armageddon in progress VNM to do, 16/75 Hearts
Rune 74, Blm 30, Geo 11
Kannagi(85)
Fulgurante OaT(99) 5-hit
Herja's Fork 5-hit
Ukonvasara 85! 0/75 Claws
Almace in progress 5/50 Helms 42/50 Skins 2/75 Horns
Armageddon in progress VNM to do, 16/75 Hearts
shintasama wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
LordFaramir wrote:
I have an excellent screenshot on my old PC of a member trying to justify why he came to limbus (had soap, teleported, got card before we noticed it) as a drk/pld. "If I go /thf I get too much hate" I believe was the excuse.
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
It's good because it's not a Great Sword WS, but a BLU spell.
I mean, we use HP and Defense as DDing stats at higher levels.
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH
Lucinus wrote:
shintasama wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
LordFaramir wrote:
I have an excellent screenshot on my old PC of a member trying to justify why he came to limbus (had soap, teleported, got card before we noticed it) as a drk/pld. "If I go /thf I get too much hate" I believe was the excuse.
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
It's good because it's not a Great Sword WS, but a BLU spell.
I mean, we use HP and Defense as DDing stats at higher levels.
Defense is for Cannonball, HP for breaths?
I've seen some absolutely incredible BLUs, it kinda annoys me that it's as underrepresented as it is.
Quote:
I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
shintasama wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
shintasama wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
LordFaramir wrote:
I have an excellent screenshot on my old PC of a member trying to justify why he came to limbus (had soap, teleported, got card before we noticed it) as a drk/pld. "If I go /thf I get too much hate" I believe was the excuse.
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
Just to add, his top greatsword WS was Sickle Slash.
That didn't stop him using GS.
As drk/pld.
and despite joining several months after me, he still beat me to homam legs. and hands. and body.
(the latter of which I never actually got)
It's good because it's not a Great Sword WS, but a BLU spell.
I mean, we use HP and Defense as DDing stats at higher levels.
Defense is for Cannonball, HP for breaths?
I've seen some absolutely incredible BLUs, it kinda annoys me that it's as underrepresented as it is.
My Limbus leader actually allowed me to come on BLU to Omega tonight. Cue the Heat/Frost Breath spam as my fat Galkan self majestically breached 1800 HP in mediocre gear, Carbonara, and a mighty torrent of fiery frosty fury.
Edited, Jan 26th 2010 6:35pm by Lucinus
LordFaramir wrote:
ODESNT MATTER CAUSE I HAVE ALCHOLOL IN MY VEINGS BETCH
My bad, moon. I've been playing BLU for too long ;_;
drk = 80 sam = 76
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.FFXIV woo eh..
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.
milich wrote:
buttfucking
Sub PLD is ok on certain jobs, namely RDM for solo / utility in low man situations but on DRK... just don't see it happening. I can see /RDM for specific situations, even /SCH if goofing on missions / farming stuff with friends.
For GS, well Sickle Moon is ~ok~ at level 60, Guily is still better IMO but that is a different debate. Spinning Slash is made of win vs anything 10 levels or more above you, but fails to Guily on anything less then that.
For GS, well Sickle Moon is ~ok~ at level 60, Guily is still better IMO but that is a different debate. Spinning Slash is made of win vs anything 10 levels or more above you, but fails to Guily on anything less then that.
RoTZ: Complete DM: O
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,PLD, DRK
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,
lolgaxe wrote:
Nothing in this game is impossible if you set yourself to the task of actually doing it. Even dumb people can only hold you back for so long.
Lucinus wrote:
when you're hefting something that deadly, you don't miss - mobs get the @#%^ out of the way instead...
saevellakshmi wrote:
Sub PLD is ok on certain jobs, namely RDM for solo / utility in low man situations but on DRK... just don't see it happening. I can see /RDM for specific situations, even /SCH if goofing on missions / farming stuff with friends.
For GS, well Sickle Moon is ~ok~ at level 60, Guily is still better IMO but that is a different debate. Spinning Slash is made of win vs anything 10 levels or more above you, but fails to Guily on anything less then that.
For GS, well Sickle Moon is ~ok~ at level 60, Guily is still better IMO but that is a different debate. Spinning Slash is made of win vs anything 10 levels or more above you, but fails to Guily on anything less then that.
The thing is, this person was 75. :/
With a GS skill of approximately level 60-65
Anyway, Spinning Slash doesn't fail to Guilly on anything less than that, Spinning Slash is an excellent WS if you have the right build for it. Anything lower level than you maybe, but it doesn't need 10+ - unless you're talking about Souleater Guilly or something.
Even on weakish stuff, Spinning Slash can bring in some nice consistent numbers, it'll probably average below Guilly but I wouldn't say it fails. The problem with greatsword is the greatsword itself, they just aren't as good weapons as Scythes.
drk = 80 sam = 76
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.FFXIV woo eh..
pld = 79 thf= 80
nin = 80 drg = 75
mnk = 76 war = 52
Retired for now ^ Screw you Abyssea.
milich wrote:
buttfucking
Well I was counting it as a whole (Weapon + WS). SS is a great WS because of its 95% hit rate and high fTP / cRatio bonus. But Guily is four hits, if you have high attack / accuracy then it will outdo SS. High attack / accuracy is usually found on things that are not IT++. That is why I use the 10+ as a cut off, nobody should be XP/Meriting on anything 10 or more levels above them as the LCF and accuracy hit is insane.
Or in another way to put it, being buffed does more for Scyth then for GS. Being level gimped (through LCF vs HNM) does less to hurt GS then it does to hurt Scyth.
Or in another way to put it, being buffed does more for Scyth then for GS. Being level gimped (through LCF vs HNM) does less to hurt GS then it does to hurt Scyth.
RoTZ: Complete DM: O
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,PLD, DRK
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,
lolgaxe wrote:
Nothing in this game is impossible if you set yourself to the task of actually doing it. Even dumb people can only hold you back for so long.
Lucinus wrote:
when you're hefting something that deadly, you don't miss - mobs get the @#%^ out of the way instead...
Thank you Captain Obvious. Your input is appreciated greatly.
So mean sira XD
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
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gigasnail wrote:
i'm lighting the freak signal here, sara help me out ~
Redding wrote:
Same ol' Sara now with 50% less hidden penis
SillyXSara the Malefic wrote:
So mean sira XD
You love it. stfu
Hey now, savealllaknameistoolong is a unique and beautiful snowflake and you shouldn't "internet bully" him otherwise his feelings will get hurt and he'll whine about how horrible you are for 4 pages.
Quote:
I don't believe in good guys versus bad guys anymore… I only see a plethora of states acting in self interest… with varying ethics and moral standards of course, but self-interest nonetheless
Winston Churchill wrote:
Criticism may not be agreeable, but it is necessary. It fulfills the same function as pain in the human body. It calls attention to an unhealthy state of things
Siralin wrote:
SillyXSara the Malefic wrote:
So mean sira XD
You love it. stfu
Mistress Darqflame wrote:
Sorry, anything representing or remotely resembling a dildo is a nono.
gigasnail wrote:
i'm lighting the freak signal here, sara help me out ~
Redding wrote:
Same ol' Sara now with 50% less hidden penis
Unique and beautiful what?!? Now don't go putting me in the same group as those guys...
RoTZ: Complete DM: O
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,PLD, DRK
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,
lolgaxe wrote:
Nothing in this game is impossible if you set yourself to the task of actually doing it. Even dumb people can only hold you back for so long.
Lucinus wrote:
when you're hefting something that deadly, you don't miss - mobs get the @#%^ out of the way instead...
Spinning Slash hardly makes up for level correction anymore. You still need a high Ratio for a high cRatio for it to multiply up.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Airships on fire off the shoulder of Bahamut. I watched Scapula Beams glitter in the dark near the Three Mage Gate...
You're new here, aren't you?
Nilatai wrote:
Vlorsutes wrote:
There's always...not trolling him?
You're new here, aren't you?
I was following that thread, have the numbers been ironed out that SS is 1.25 cRatio instead of 1.5? You seemed to be in the middle of figuring that out.
Also half the bonus for SS is the whole 95% acc thing, meaning more room for WSC and extra attack. Please don't lump me in with the "GS onry cause I'm unique" crowd. I personally prefer Scyth, but I at least recognize the usefulness of GS in specific situations.
Also half the bonus for SS is the whole 95% acc thing, meaning more room for WSC and extra attack. Please don't lump me in with the "GS onry cause I'm unique" crowd. I personally prefer Scyth, but I at least recognize the usefulness of GS in specific situations.
RoTZ: Complete DM: O
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,PLD, DRK
CoP: Complete AN: O
99 SAM, RDM, BLU, WAR,
lolgaxe wrote:
Nothing in this game is impossible if you set yourself to the task of actually doing it. Even dumb people can only hold you back for so long.
Lucinus wrote:
when you're hefting something that deadly, you don't miss - mobs get the @#%^ out of the way instead...
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