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#1 Mar 04 2013 at 3:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mocchi: Aegis vs. RUN

Thank you for the follow-ups.

At the time of release for Seekers of Adoulin, since rune fencer will just be a new job, if you compare equipment against that of a PLD, PLD is going to have an advantage in terms of magic defense.

As has been said, PLD can evenly reduce the damage taken by all types of magic through equipment such as Aegis. However, because rune fencer will have specific elemental resistances, it will be strong not only against magical damage for those elements, but negative status effects as well.

Additionally, while Aegis affects only the PLD, rune fencer can also grant elemental resistance to party members in range, contributing to a further reduction in elemental damage to party members as compared to those with the Aegis PLD.

The future merit points (job categories 1 and 2) as well as new equipment to be added for rune fencer should be expected to further reduce the gap in elemental damage taken as compared with PLD (with Aegis).

In a separate post, Mocchi said that the effect of rune enchantment will stack with that of any other magic resistance the player has.


Basically it's sounding like Rune Fencer will be the superior magic damage tank when it comes to mobs that cast single elemental types of damage, and will also be superior because, due to reducing magic damage through elemental resists, they'll increase their resistance to status ailments.

Given the Naakuals we've seen so far look like they might be based on a single element, it might end up being that, at least on a magical standpoint, Rune Fencer might end up being the better tank.
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#2 Mar 05 2013 at 8:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Its possible, my thing at the moment is that paladin has way more flexibility as a tank. Ochain is very useful for virtually guaranteeing you can't be interrupted during casting cures, phalanx, utsusemi, or whatever combined with shield mastery. For magic Aegis is still capable of surpassing the MDT limit, also with reprisal and pallisade the shield block rate should be very high even on higher end content.

I guess as far as a comparison while we know some about rune fencer, we don't know what level of equipment they'll have. If they have the magic equivalent of sentinel as far as damage absorbtion that'd be cool. Also maybe A evasion/parrying.. but I still just don't see how they can be all around tank. Atm, paladin has very little to worry about magic wise with Aegis and the tremendous cure potency sets available, fealty doesn't last long but the resistance against status effects is ridiculous and virtually guaranteed. Charm, break, stun, paralyze, slow, poison, etc are all blocked by it and there's gear upgrades to enhance it, along with it being merited to extend time.

Paladin does have to worry about death, charm, songs, ninjutsu or encumber/equipment removal (charm only if it hits with out fealty up or somehow gets past its resistance) status effects that prevent being cured etc.. but is rune fencer going to be able to handle that either? Also paladin has the unique ability to block status effects done through physical tp moves i.e. iron giants swings will virtually never stun a paladin with ochain.

Now in the future merits, gear improvements (depending on what it can use based upon release), among other things there's no doubt that rune fencer won't be the better tank for handling magic and depending on how effect it guards the party, may even at release be more useful then paladin on certain mobs. I always equivocated even before they told us what rune fencer would be like, for it to be somewhat like Celes from final fantasy and absorb magic into mp. But obviously that'd be overpowered.

Also, it'll depend on the increase in monsters strength as well.. particularly since square enix knows that nowadays even the most (casual) players have relic level gear. If monster aoe magic spells can 1 shot party members and not just severely weaken so the whm can't later throw out a cure or two, paladin might be in for it.
#3 Mar 09 2013 at 7:22 AM Rating: Good
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My PLD eats nukes for breakfast.

Bring it, Rune Fencer!
#4 Mar 09 2013 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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SFChakan wrote:
My PLD eats nukes for breakfast.

Bring it, Rune Fencer!


while you can, but I doubt the people around you cant. when i see a big spell is incoming i try to run the **** away. now with rune fencer, probably wont have to.

#5 Apr 29 2013 at 3:38 AM Rating: Decent
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A month old, but still on the top...

To breathe some life back into this, Rune Fencer really didnt end up being the tank they scared us into thinking it would be. Reasonable evasion, no survivability whatsoever outside of that.

Got my Aegis, can tank stuff with the shield blocking a huge amount of physical attacks, and magic attacks just bounce off me.

Meanwhile my Rune is getting smacked around by physical attacks despite capped evasion and parrying, and while it's nice to see it block one single spell once in a while, he usually perishes before something can get a spell off or right after something does.

So yeah. Swing and miss. There is no competition, there is no "Rune Fencer vs. Aegis Paladin", there is only Aegis Paladin.
Rune Fencer tripped on the way over, fell on his face and forfeited the match.
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#6 Apr 29 2013 at 5:04 AM Rating: Excellent
I think it's still a bit too early to tell, since Rune Fencer is still an incomplete job. It doesn't have its AF, Relic, or Empyrean armor pieces, no "Mythic" weapon, no merits, and who knows what changes they'll implement to tweak its capabilities. Right now, I'll admit that Rune Fencer is not the better tank by any means, but I think they'll adjust it between now and then to improve its capabilities.
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#7 Apr 30 2013 at 9:19 PM Rating: Decent
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KojiroSoma wrote:
A month old, but still on the top...

To breathe some life back into this, Rune Fencer really didnt end up being the tank they scared us into thinking it would be. Reasonable evasion, no survivability whatsoever outside of that.

Got my Aegis, can tank stuff with the shield blocking a huge amount of physical attacks, and magic attacks just bounce off me.

Meanwhile my Rune is getting smacked around by physical attacks despite capped evasion and parrying, and while it's nice to see it block one single spell once in a while, he usually perishes before something can get a spell off or right after something does.

So yeah. Swing and miss. There is no competition, there is no "Rune Fencer vs. Aegis Paladin", there is only Aegis Paladin.
Rune Fencer tripped on the way over, fell on his face and forfeited the match.



at the time rune is still missing alot of the stuff like merits, AF etc, but so far from doing lot of testing with the job. rune can eat magic with np at all without gear. and it getting even better since this update. btw are you trying to compare an "Aegis shield" pld vs rune fencer without weapon etc buffs?
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#8 May 13 2013 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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It's not so much that. Magic is kinda irrelevant. With the recast times between the spells of most monsters, you can easily take whatever spells they dish out on Rune Fencer.

I'm just saying that a Paladin with an Aegis can do that too, he simply brushes off most magical attacks like they're not even there. The thing is more that a Paladin with an Aegis can do all that while also blocking most physical damage. Where as RUN parries one or two attacks, then takes 250+ from all the others with no real way to self-cure outside of going /DNC. There's just no contest.

Not that i'm complaining. Not at all. I like Paladin. But there's simply no "A versus B".
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#9 May 13 2013 at 10:54 PM Rating: Decent
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with a shield that cost over 100mil. it better resist magic also. but since that pld ultimate gear/weapon it kinda not fair to compare a job with R/M/E to one without R/M/E + no merits yet. of course pld with all that stuff going to beat it at this time. i remember back then pld without merits & aegis didn do so well on magic spamming. this is where Rune is at right now but with physical damage. guessing that gonna be fix with a rune version of an aegis but it will be call the defender?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Defender_%28Weapon%29
high resist physical & high parrying sounds like a good fit. right now the job is growing so in time once it get it stuff then compare it:). but dont forget not only rune able to resist magic but make pt members as well. cant wait to see the merits, and ultimate wea/gear on rune
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