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#1 Oct 11 2010 at 6:53 PM Rating: Good
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so I am wanting to level Paladin and I'm fast approaching abyss, what subjob should I focus on? /war /nin /dnc?
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#2 Oct 12 2010 at 2:06 AM Rating: Good
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If you are in alliance where the DD's are using proper food and proper subs [/war, /sam,] and you have proper healers that will actually allow the DD's to kill things quicker by hasting and curing them, and occasionally toss you a refresh [mostly not needed to cure you, but rather you act as main heal for the DD's,] then /WAR is all you will ever need. It's Fine to /NIN on some of the harder hitting things [I /NIN on Wivre for instance, great EXP.]

If your alliance sucks, mages are slow to cure/refresh, don't haste people, and your DD's suck, then /NIN will probably save you a few hits, while allowing you to do some damage. DD's: A 500 WS in abyssea is no good people. Please eat proper food, and ask your mages to do dia2/3. This crap is not acceptable just because you are lazy and there's 17 other people to pick up your slack.

Gear like a DD. I hardly even use ENM gear for JA's [let alone use the JA's.] A PLD is a DD that gets the mobs attention off the puller. Occasionally voke/flash a 2nd [or 3rd mob] that is slept at camp. Cure the DD's when they get hurt [or the BLM's.]

That's pretty much it. Its fast and furious, just like a merit pt. Voke/flash, cure some people, and do damage. You can go the full turtle/ENM route if you like, but your alliance will kill faster [even if only slightly so] by you using proper food, DD gear, and getting in some good WS's.
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#3 Oct 12 2010 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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If your doing NM's /nin. Everything else you can prob sub war. /NIN will be worthless against mandys which is kinda the jumping in point for ptys. As long as your shield skill is up to snuff you can easily tank any of the other exp mobs. If your party is moving along at a decent pace flash, voke, and when you lose het to the DD's move on the the next mob and flash voke. Once the DD have hate they should be able to kill it fast enough without taxing the healers too much. With that ASA atma you should be pretty self sustaining for mp if you have a ethereal earring too.
#4 Nov 03 2010 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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A bit late to the thread, but /NIN works for PLD in Abyssea exp groups--I've never used /WAR in there. Make sure to have Haste for Flash's recast timer; March x2 would be even better.

borkborkbork wrote:
If your doing NM's /nin. Everything else you can prob sub war. /NIN will be worthless against mandys which is kinda the jumping in point for ptys.

Pachypodium sucks for building ruby and thus golden lights; expect to wait a long, long time to get to capped exp per kill. I don't understand why anyone wants to exp on those things; avoid those if possible at all.


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I have done main /assist as PLD/NIN on many critters other than Pachypodium; /NIN just works, IMO.

As an example, in one Attohwa session fighting Ignis Eruca, Utsusemi absorbed 761 attacks (73.67% of total) where regular melee damage received averaged 129.93; that's 98,876 HP saved over 2 hr 56 min, or 561 HP per minute that no one has to cure. (Well, would be less damage if I had a shield on, but still will be in the hundreds of HP per minute even without using Berserk.)

That's a pretty big damage mitigation any way you look at it, and that's pretty how it went with everything I've been main /assist on. There's no good reason to go /WAR for exp after Lv.74, as far as I'm concerned.
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#5 Nov 03 2010 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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/NIN would be my pick.

Don't expect to tank for entire fights especially if you're up against pimped DD, but do your best to act as "assist" (switch to new mobs quickly as they are being pulled in) and try to grab enough hate to absorb the first few attacks from each mob. Also, if you've got refresh atmas, don't underestimate your own ability to act as a backup healer in a pinch. (If that's not needed, then by all means go with DD atmas)
#6 Nov 03 2010 at 4:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Get one of each Atma, and use DD food and Crour buffs.

From the same party mentioned earlier; Heavens (Synthetic) and Stout Arm, with Marinara Pizza +1:

                   vvvvvvvvv 
Player             Total DPS  Melee DPS   Ranged DPS     WS DPS    Magic DPS    Other DPS  
MNK/WAR                33.47      24.00         0.00       9.13         0.00         0.33  
DRK/SAM                55.03      25.40         0.00      25.92         1.70         2.02  
Itazura PLD/NIN        55.35      40.30         0.00      15.04         0.00         0.00  
BLU/NIN                 6.21       3.74         0.00       0.57         1.91         0.00  
SAM/WAR                37.64      18.90         0.00      18.71         0.00         0.03  
SAM/NIN                40.37      19.10         0.00      21.27         0.00         0.00  
PLD/WAR*               12.95      12.95         0.00       0.00         0.00         0.00  
* My replacement; caught less than one fight worth of data.


                 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv 
Player           Cured (Sp)  Cured (Ab)  C.1s  C.2s  C.3s  C.4s  C.5s  C.6s  Curagas  Rg.1s  Rg.2s  Rg.3s 
MNK/WAR                  0        3365      0     0     0     0     0     0        0      0      0      0 
RDM/WHM              33529           0      0     0    19    74     0     0        0      1     11      0 
WHM/(BLM?)           61239           0      8    27   114     1    53     0        0      1      0     11 
BRD/WHM               9276           0      0     0     1    18     0     0        9      0      0      0 
BRD/RDM                581           0      0     0     3     0     0     0        0      2      0      0 
DNC/NIN (puller)         0        1517      0     1     0     2     1     0        0      0      0      0 
Itazura PLD/NIN      50903           0      0     0    39   123     0     0        0      0      0      0 
BLU/NIN               3763           0      0     0     0     0     0     0        0      0      0      0 
RDM/BLM               2691           0      0     0     1     0     0     0        0      0      0      0 
RDM/WHM              58394           0      0     0     0   155     0     0        0      0     21      0



A PLD/NIN in Abyssea exp should be a significant source of damage output and cures, without sucking up healers' MP/TP too much. On top of that, it's a natural fit for the main /assist role.

Be an asset--be a Paladin. =b

Edited, Nov 3rd 2010 3:16pm by IfritnoItazura
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#7 Nov 03 2010 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Good lord, what the hell were the melees in your party doing? >_>

I'm gonna HOPE that the BLU was your group's lowbie...
#8 Nov 04 2010 at 3:05 AM Rating: Good
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HAHAHAHHA, WTF kind of party was that?! Must have been scraping the bottom of the barrel for DD's that night.
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#9 Nov 04 2010 at 1:21 PM Rating: Decent
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IfritnoItazura wrote:

                   vvvvvvvvv 
Player             Total DPS  Melee DPS   Ranged DPS     WS DPS    Magic DPS    Other DPS  
MNK/WAR                33.47      24.00         0.00       9.13         0.00         0.33  
DRK/SAM                55.03      25.40         0.00      25.92         1.70         2.02  
Itazura PLD/NIN        55.35      40.30         0.00      15.04         0.00         0.00  
BLU/NIN                 6.21       3.74         0.00       0.57         1.91         0.00  
SAM/WAR                37.64      18.90         0.00      18.71         0.00         0.03  
SAM/NIN                40.37      19.10         0.00      21.27         0.00         0.00  
PLD/WAR*               12.95      12.95         0.00       0.00         0.00         0.00  
* My replacement; caught less than one fight worth of data.



Just wow......

Were the DDs AFK?
Were they there for every fight the parse covers?
Were they like level 70 and you 85?
Were you the only one with Atma?
Did the DDs really suck?

When a PLD/NIN out parses a MNK/WAR and SAM/WAR on XP mobs something is way out of wack.

A lot more info and complete parse data would be interesting.

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#10 Nov 04 2010 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait, wait. lol. There are many caveats:

1. It was a semi-pickup group; it was form by some members of a non-endgame LS looking to farm shoes (and exp), and they filled out the alliance with pickup members. (I was a semi-pickup member; I know someone in the group.) Beating most DDs in a group like that isn't that hard.

2. The "Total DPS" numbers only measure a character when active. With large enough of a sample, you can say it measures the DD potential. So, it removes factors like AFK for WC, people leaving earlier (than the person running parser), or join later, etc. (It does distort puller's performance since the timer begins for the puller on the pull, while the rest of us only start when we do first action--which is why I didn't include the puller.)

If I want to compare based on the actual damage output, I'd have to see when people join and leave, and limit the range. For example, if I want to compare with the DRK/SAM, it'd be fight #3 - #152, and the result would be:

Damage Summary 
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg 
DRK/SAM                 137400    22.23 %       61360           0          72       65604        4429       5935 
Itazura                 149406    24.18 %       94013           0           0       50127           0       5266 
 
 
Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
DRK/SAM                     65604    47.75 %      59/0   100.00 %    179/1867  1111.93 
 - Guillotine               59612    90.87 %      54/0   100.00 %    179/1867  1103.93 
 - Spiral Hell               5992     9.13 %       5/0   100.00 %    942/1438  1198.40 
Itazura                     50127    33.55 %      66/0   100.00 %    171/1363   759.50 
 - Vorpal Blade             50127   100.00 %      66/0   100.00 %    171/1363   759.50


I had the first to engage advantage, but as the "Total DPS" showed, our DD potential weren't really all that far apart. (Which was why I posted "Total DPS".)


3. I'm sure not everyone was Lv.85 (like I was), but don't know who was at what level. (TheMNK/WAR wasn't Lv.85, SAM/WAR was Lv.85, I think? )


4. Not everyone was buffed equally. Here's Haste type buffs for select members from the two DD parties:
Haste 
 
MNK/WAR 
Buff                    Melee w/Buff   Melee wo/Buff    % w/Buff    WS w/Buff   WS wo/Buff   % w/Buff 
                Haste           2335            1140     67.19 %           67           31    68.37 % 
      Advancing March           1446            2029     41.61 %           40           58    40.82 % 
        Victory March           1536            1939     44.20 %           42           56    42.86 % 
 
 
DRK/SAM 
Buff                    Melee w/Buff   Melee wo/Buff    % w/Buff    WS w/Buff   WS wo/Buff   % w/Buff 
                Haste            248             235     51.35 %           28           47    37.33 % 
                Hasso            329             154     68.12 %           61           14    81.33 % 
      Advancing March            245             238     50.72 %           35           40    46.67 % 
        Victory March            261             222     54.04 %           39           36    52.00 % 
 
Itazura 
Buff                    Melee w/Buff   Melee wo/Buff    % w/Buff    WS w/Buff   WS wo/Buff   % w/Buff 
                Haste           3874              73     98.15 %          160            3    98.16 % 
      Advancing March           2562            1385     64.91 %          107           56    65.64 % 
        Victory March           2538            1409     64.30 %          106           57    65.03 % 
          Haste Samba             48            3899      1.22 %            2          161     1.23 % 
 
 
 
SAM/WAR 
Buff                    Melee w/Buff   Melee wo/Buff    % w/Buff    WS w/Buff   WS wo/Buff   % w/Buff 
                Haste            281             374     42.90 %           30           56    34.88 % 
                Hasso            567              88     86.56 %           74           12    86.05 % 
      Advancing March            142             513     21.68 %           25           61    29.07 % 
        Victory March            162             493     24.73 %           27           59    31.40 % 
 
SAM/NIN 
Buff                    Melee w/Buff   Melee wo/Buff    % w/Buff    WS w/Buff   WS wo/Buff   % w/Buff 
                Haste            313             302     50.89 %           44           43    50.57 % 
                Hasso            476             139     77.40 %           70           17    80.46 % 
      Advancing March            344             271     55.93 %           48           39    55.17 % 
        Victory March            363             252     59.02 %           51           36    58.62 %


See how I had Haste more consistently than others? That helped to push up the DPS quite a bit. (Advantage of being main /assist--you can ask for Haste. heheheh.)


5. Don't know what Atmas other people used either; didn't ask. But, food/item wise:
MNK/WAR 
Item                                  Used 
bottle of champion's tonic              13 
bottle of stalwart's tonic              13 
coeurl sub                               1 
dusty elixir                             1 
lucid potion I                           4 
plate of sole sushi                      5 
 
DRK/SAM 
Item                                  Used 
bottle of champion's tonic               4 
bottle of stalwart's tonic               4 
lucid ether I                            1 
marinara pizza +1                        1 
 
Itazura 
Item                                  Used 
bottle of champion's tonic               2 
bottle of stalwart's gambir              1 
bottle of stalwart's tonic               6 
marinara pizza +1                        2 
Tavnazian ring                           1 
toolbag (shihei)                         2 
 
BLU/NIN 
Item                                  Used 
bottle of ascetic's tonic                4 
bottle of fanatic's tonic                1 
dusty elixir                             4 
lucid ether I                            5 
lucid ether II                           1 
pinch of mana powder                     1 
yellow curry bun                         1 
 
 
SAM/WAR 
Item                                  Used 
bottle of catholicon                     4 
bottle of stalwart's tonic               5 
coeurl sub                               3 
dusty elixir                             1 
lucid potion I                           3 
plate of squid sushi                     1 
 
 
SAM/NIN 
Item                                  Used 
bottle of catholicon                     6 
bottle of champion's tonic               2 
bottle of stalwart's tonic               4


Edited, Nov 4th 2010 2:28pm by IfritnoItazura
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