Tanking in a vermy? D:?Follow

Making skillchains / never.

Any decent party wouldn't be letting you make any juices.

Course, that's besides the point when the OP is already saying the parties are crap.

Edited, May 2nd 2010 2:00am by Fynlar

Setup: PLD, DNC, THF, SMN, BRD, SCH level sync 61, regular colibri
dual wieldy but piercy so i figured it could go alright.

This bard was singing min-mad and pianissimo-ing ballads to our sch whilest meleeing, dualwielding knives (one of which was a triple dagger, dunno what the other was) wearing full chr+ gear and stopped meleeing only to pull at a meripo type pace. SMN never ever once got ballad even after asking a couple times.

Eventually replaced the bard with a better bard and the dnc with a polearm sam and things went nicely after that. x3

Some problems with this party besides the bard, but i'm not too picky about setups as long as people do what they're invited for, more or less.

:D


edit-reply: i should be able to ride flash and reprisal though, nyah? =(

Edited, May 2nd 2010 4:07pm by Aiyl

you figured wrong, that party is too mage heavy.

<leader> pt do you need it? pld dnc smn brd sch
<competent player> what the @#%^? no. you just listed 5 jobs and 0 of them are DDs*
<leader> the SMN will DD with spells
<competent player> you should quit the game immediately

seriously, don't accept sh*tty setups. tell the leader to reorganize, it's better for everyone. acquiescing just wastes everyone's time; you're not being selfish by refusing to party with idiotic setups, you're helping every party member. if you don't know the difference, you're not trying nearly hard enough (and you don't have to try hard to play the game well).

edit: forgot my little footnote...

* PLD is a decent DD, but chances are the PLD in such a party won't be DDing very well.

Edited, May 4th 2010 5:49am by milich

in parties with real tanks, yes, a PLD with an excess of MP ought to be curing more than the RDM unless melees are going all-out and hate isn't a problem. if hate isn't a problem, the PLD shouldn't be sacrificing needed DD to do a RDM's job. if you're saying that you don't cure PLD75s in merit parties b/c you expect them to cure themselves, you're doing it wrong on multiple levels.

Edited, May 9th 2010 8:45pm by milich

When you can close darkness with it.

Dont hold your tp for closing darkness though. Not worth.

Vermy isn'y even an extra cure 2 per minute, and a cure 2 isn't sufficient enmity to do much with. So a good chance you're better off in your haub, not like you would be evading in either piece!

Auto refresh and sanction should be covering your flashes, ~40mp/min flash 25mp/~35-40seconds. If you gear for DD with haub, PCC, etc you can generally stay ahead on hate with just flashing, voking, and meleeing.

If your meleeing gear is less good you could indeed be better off spamming more cures with the aid of refresh, vermy, and parade. They at least can't whiff, so you'll for sure get a decent amount of enmity though chances are if you can't competently melee you're mucked. In a good party you shouldn't be able to purely control hate anyways so you'll want to mix it up depending on who you're with.

For a non-garbage party you usually need at least 3 DDs. Fill the remaining three with 1-2 mages, tank, and/or 1-2 support. Ideally you'll just have 4 DDs, cor, and pulling brd with a PL though obviously isn't the standard for most players. In the day of melee burning birds, you can easily find setups to get you over 10k an hour non-PL'd...which doesn't include half the party not DDing.

Swift blade's acc bonus and 30% mnd will probably do you more good than vorpal's extra hit and crit, though once you get strong DD gear you should be able to put out better vorpals than swifts. Low level xping you shouldn't have that high of dex so your vorpals will really just be a 4 hit 30% str vs a 3 hit 30str/mnd with acc bonus.

Yeah! You don't need that Accuracy, Attack or DEX either! Take that, Haubergeon, look at my extra 20 MP per minute and weep!
obligatory "Shut up, Seraphus"

Wearing full AF with lolVIT/DEF accessories won't break you either because parties don't give a sh*t what a PLD tank wears, as long as he gets hit. That doesn't make it correct however.

Cherrypick aside, choice #2 is the best way to go. What alot of people don't realize is the more damage you do, the faster the mob dies, the less HP you lose, and thus the more MP you save.