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#1 Mar 30 2010 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Pertinent non-relic/mythic options for TP (or, as politically correct PLDs say, "Atonement spam"):

Joyeuse: DMG 35, DLY 224, ~45% DA
Justice Sword: DMG 34, DLY 236, +7 STR, ~55% DA
Antea: DMG 40, DLY 264, Unknown% DA

I checked PLD, BLU, and RDM forums and found no data on how often Antea attacks twice. But given that Atonement is not affected by base DMG, it seems that the percentage would have to be very high to make up for an additional +40 Delay over Joyeuse. I'm thinking that unless the DA% is ungodly high (go for it if you want to do the math^^), Joyeuse will beat it out. But it's a nice new addition for PLD/NIN swordchuck fun. And it's a nice substitute for Justice for those of us who are sick of farming stones or don't do Sea often.

Congrats to those of you like Dracoth who play BLU as well though!

Edited, Mar 31st 2010 11:27pm by soopafeen
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#2 Mar 30 2010 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, my Antea is specifically for my BLU. It's looking like it'll be a good choice, so long as it has about the same proc rate as Joy. Justice will still probably win out BUT it'll be nice to have a slashing option, too, that isn't Justice.

As far as percentages for when it'll work out to the same as Joy... I'll have to look into that. Remember, though, that higher percentages affect TP gain, so that has to be taken into account as well. I'll probably do a more thorough analysis tomorrow after I'm done grading all these tests...
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#3 Mar 31 2010 at 4:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Joyeuse is base 35 damage, not 36.

The joyeuse, even if the Antea has 45% DA, will still out dps the Antea slightly. However, i think that, in instances where you are hitting for 0 too often, the Antea may be of better benefit due to higher base damage.
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#4 Mar 31 2010 at 9:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Aryden wrote:
Joyeuse is base 35 damage, not 36.

The joyeuse, even if the Antea has 45% DA, will still out dps the Antea slightly. However, i think that, in instances where you are hitting for 0 too often, the Antea may be of better benefit due to higher base damage.


Sorry, fixed that. Good point about Antea's situational usefulness.
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#5 Apr 01 2010 at 2:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Provided that Antea has the same proc rate as Joytoy, not counting for any piercing bonus, they are both about the same, with Antea edging out ahead. 0-100 favors Joytoy in getting there faster, but with ws being atleast 1 hit of tp return(ie like atonement) it favors Antea.

iirc damage rating on the weapon doesnt affect the cause of hitting for 0s. Its your att vs def of the mob. Since pld is usually on the lower spectrum of att(high 300s, mid 400s) its almost always going to be hitting a good chunk of 0s on beefy type mobs.
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#6 Apr 01 2010 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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I'll stick with Joytoy unless Antea proves to have a higher DA rate.

I've considered doing a Haute -1 but I don't tank anything that I feel the need to reduce my damage taken by 5% to have a drastic impact on the fight, not for the time involved to build one. Maybe after I'm done with some other weapons I'll get one for fights like Prudence that I prefer to bloodtank.

I'm currently doing the OAT higher base damage GA, praying the DA rate is the same as most OAT weapons, since that should outdo every GA barring a proper Bravura or fully supported Rune Chopper setup. (Not sure how those 3 rank math-wise, but I'd imagine that they're the only contenders on your average things we use WAR for.
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#7 Apr 03 2010 at 7:46 PM Rating: Decent
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The DA rate of the Magians-dagger was already found to be 40%. So a bit less then joytoy. The same will probably go for the other Magians weapons.

Read here:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=10&mid=1270200211170677116&num=15&page=1
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Okay, so making a slight bump to this thread since I noticed some ppl talking about exping 75-99.

A lot of ppl espouse the benefits of /nin justice/joy and DDing it up in merit parties.

How does Antea/joy stack up versus justice/joy? Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the math behind this stuff (I usually just parse and compare).
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#9 May 06 2010 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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How does Antea/joy stack up versus justice/joy? Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the math behind this stuff (I usually just parse and compare).


It doesn't; Justice has better DA rate, assuming you stay on top of remembering to reequip virtue stones.

Only real reason to use Antea on anything that's not BLU is if for some reason you really need to have two slashing DA swords (allowing you to forego Joyeuse, which does piercing)
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What about when you consider that you could use Black Tathlum/Tiphia Sting instead of virtue stones?
#11 May 06 2010 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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Consider 7 STR and 55% activation rate against Dex +1, Attack +4, Accuracy +4 and a 40% hit rate. That's what you're comparing.

+7 STR is 1 fSTR with a 75% chance of being 2 fSTR and 3.5 Attack. So, depending on other values, it's just as good Attack wise (or 1 down), will do more damage (higher fSTR for both weapons). It's down 4.5 accuracy, though, which accounts for 2.25% more hit rate. So, really, it comes down to hitting harder with both swords more often (double-swing wise) vs. hitting lighter with more accuracy slightly less often. The 15% more attacks should win out (too tired to do any napkin math, let alone real analysis - if I get bored later, I might just do it, though).

Justice Sword blows Tiphia Sting out of the water, though. +2 Accuracy and +2 Attack just doesn't compare to the +7 STR from Justice. The more frequent attacks will definitely give the edge to Justice. Also, considering the -25 HP, I'd much rather "waste" my ammo slot on Virtue Stones.
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#12 May 07 2010 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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That basically sums it up, I was basically wondering if it is even worth looking at since Antea has +6 base damage over Justice to start, albeit with a slower delay. I didn't realize that justice sword had such a high DA rate? is it really 55%, or is that the DA rate with Brutal?
#13 May 07 2010 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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That's just the weapon. As for 15% more attacks vs. 2.25% acc:

Justice:
100 attack rounds = 155 attacks * 80% acc = 124 attacks landed
100 attack rounds = 155 attacks * 90% acc = 139.5 attacks landed

Antea:
100 attack rounds = 140 attacks * 82.25% acc = 115.15 attacks landed
100 attack rounds = 140 attacks * 92.25% acc = 129.15 attacks landed

Justice wins out. The better your accuracy is to start with, the worse Antea gets relative to Justice.
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#14 May 07 2010 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Meldi wrote:
What about when you consider that you could use Black Tathlum/Tiphia Sting instead of virtue stones?


When I consider that I could use Black Tathlum, I get really excited and spend like 20 minutes trying to equip it to no avail. Is my copy of FFXI broken?
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#15 May 10 2010 at 6:43 PM Rating: Decent
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maybe if joo were MNK / THF / SAM / DRG / PUP / DNC...
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#16 May 12 2010 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Main hand a tier 1 Relic Blade. Offhand Kclub.

Your tp gain will skyrocket. Use it for atonement.


On topic though. Antea supposedly has ~40% proc rate, like some of the other magians that were tested (Dagger and Katana that i know of). So it should be pretty decent.


Hitting for 0s is not a problem of the base damage - it is caused by lack of attack. Base D affects is very little.

Edited, May 12th 2010 9:54am by TheKhory
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#17 Jun 06 2010 at 1:40 PM Rating: Good
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I'm working on this at the moment, I'm almost done with the NM camping stages and I'll soon be onto the seemingly endless mob farming stages.

To anyone who has finished this; which zones/spots did you guys find best for farming the various mobs? Any recommendations or places to stay away from?
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Midgez wrote:
I'm working on this at the moment, I'm almost done with the NM camping stages and I'll soon be onto the seemingly endless mob farming stages.

To anyone who has finished this; which zones/spots did you guys find best for farming the various mobs? Any recommendations or places to stay away from?

Birds: If you have RDM leveled, join a merit pt and hold Antea. Can get this done in 3-4 hours. If not, I'd still suggest Colibri. This trial is pretty easy.

Bombs: Extremely slow, very little to work with. Your best bet is Mount Zhoaylm. Bring a friend if possible.
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