Antea, Sword from Trial of the MagiansFollow

Pertinent non-relic/mythic options for TP (or, as politically correct PLDs say, "Atonement spam"):

Joyeuse: DMG 35, DLY 224, ~45% DA
Justice Sword: DMG 34, DLY 236, +7 STR, ~55% DA
Antea: DMG 40, DLY 264, Unknown% DA

I checked PLD, BLU, and RDM forums and found no data on how often Antea attacks twice. But given that Atonement is not affected by base DMG, it seems that the percentage would have to be very high to make up for an additional +40 Delay over Joyeuse. I'm thinking that unless the DA% is ungodly high (go for it if you want to do the math^^), Joyeuse will beat it out. But it's a nice new addition for PLD/NIN swordchuck fun. And it's a nice substitute for Justice for those of us who are sick of farming stones or don't do Sea often.

Congrats to those of you like Dracoth who play BLU as well though!

Edited, Mar 31st 2010 11:27pm by soopafeen

Joyeuse is base 35 damage, not 36.

The joyeuse, even if the Antea has 45% DA, will still out dps the Antea slightly. However, i think that, in instances where you are hitting for 0 too often, the Antea may be of better benefit due to higher base damage.

Provided that Antea has the same proc rate as Joytoy, not counting for any piercing bonus, they are both about the same, with Antea edging out ahead. 0-100 favors Joytoy in getting there faster, but with ws being atleast 1 hit of tp return(ie like atonement) it favors Antea.

iirc damage rating on the weapon doesnt affect the cause of hitting for 0s. Its your att vs def of the mob. Since pld is usually on the lower spectrum of att(high 300s, mid 400s) its almost always going to be hitting a good chunk of 0s on beefy type mobs.

The DA rate of the Magians-dagger was already found to be 40%. So a bit less then joytoy. The same will probably go for the other Magians weapons.

Read here:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=10&mid=1270200211170677116&num=15&page=1

It doesn't; Justice has better DA rate, assuming you stay on top of remembering to reequip virtue stones.

Only real reason to use Antea on anything that's not BLU is if for some reason you really need to have two slashing DA swords (allowing you to forego Joyeuse, which does piercing)

Consider 7 STR and 55% activation rate against Dex +1, Attack +4, Accuracy +4 and a 40% hit rate. That's what you're comparing.

+7 STR is 1 fSTR with a 75% chance of being 2 fSTR and 3.5 Attack. So, depending on other values, it's just as good Attack wise (or 1 down), will do more damage (higher fSTR for both weapons). It's down 4.5 accuracy, though, which accounts for 2.25% more hit rate. So, really, it comes down to hitting harder with both swords more often (double-swing wise) vs. hitting lighter with more accuracy slightly less often. The 15% more attacks should win out (too tired to do any napkin math, let alone real analysis - if I get bored later, I might just do it, though).

Justice Sword blows Tiphia Sting out of the water, though. +2 Accuracy and +2 Attack just doesn't compare to the +7 STR from Justice. The more frequent attacks will definitely give the edge to Justice. Also, considering the -25 HP, I'd much rather "waste" my ammo slot on Virtue Stones.

That's just the weapon. As for 15% more attacks vs. 2.25% acc:

Justice:
100 attack rounds = 155 attacks * 80% acc = 124 attacks landed
100 attack rounds = 155 attacks * 90% acc = 139.5 attacks landed

Antea:
100 attack rounds = 140 attacks * 82.25% acc = 115.15 attacks landed
100 attack rounds = 140 attacks * 92.25% acc = 129.15 attacks landed

Justice wins out. The better your accuracy is to start with, the worse Antea gets relative to Justice.

maybe if joo were MNK / THF / SAM / DRG / PUP / DNC...

I'm working on this at the moment, I'm almost done with the NM camping stages and I'll soon be onto the seemingly endless mob farming stages.

To anyone who has finished this; which zones/spots did you guys find best for farming the various mobs? Any recommendations or places to stay away from?