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#1 Dec 01 2009 at 8:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Some people will look at this post as an "e-peen" post. That's fine. There is no question that an HQ like this necessarily involves some "look at me!" thinking on some level. But I'm making this post because I've thought in circles about this for a while and would love to get some outside opinions or even testimonials. I know this is "just" 1m for some... I'm just wondering what people think about the topic.

I helped start a Sky LS back in July. We've now finished the lesser gods and now primarily focus on Sea/Kirin. Soon (barring more horrible drop luck), I should get W. Legs, the one item (aside from M. Head) that I really wanted for the job I love, PLD.

I never thought that I'd consider HQing... it's 1.2m for no meaningful difference except a name and a white box. But now... HQing sort of seems like a way of commemorating the effort I put into helping build my Sky LS, manage people's wishlists (we have ensured that everyone got what they wanted in Sky before we move onto Sea, e.g.), recruit, strategize, and finally get this item. For me, it's not about what people see when they /check my character (in fact, I would be kind of embarassed to come across as an HQ junkie, or worse, fulltime WLegs PLD). It's just the feeling that I'll never get this drop again -- even if I did, I would never *take* it again, I'd rather someone else get it. I dunno, it's like buying a special edition of an album or movie or game you really love, or buying the vinyl instead of just downloading the torrent, or whatever. As for the money, 1m still seems like a lot to me, but it isn't some insane amount.

So, I've come around to thinking that it's worth it to HQ. I feel like I'll look at the item and think of our LS (which is mostly a small group of friends) and all our hard work and see it as a bit more of a "souveneir" than I would see Crimson Cuisses as. What do you all think?
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#2 Dec 01 2009 at 9:00 PM Rating: Good
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It's just the feeling that I'll never get this drop again


This would be the reason why I'd go for the HQ. But it's up to personal preference.

As long as you realize that you're more likely than not a douche if you lot another abjuration later, there is no real wrong answer here.
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If W.Legs had ever dropped while I was tied as point leader (300 points was the max bid for the item), I would have HQ'd them. Sure, it's a minor thing, but I needs to have me my white boxes.

Also, if I had gotten a second drop, I'd have put them on my mule (RDM main) rather than get both the HQ and the NQ.

And if for a small moment, when I saw the title and your name, I happened to think, "Man, I HATE that guy sometimes..." It's nothing personal. We just went 0/12 on W.Legs when I could finally lot them.

Edited, Dec 1st 2009 8:13pm by Dracoth
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Yeah, if I'd already gotten them once, I would never lot on WLegs over... anyone really, unless it was some total douche (and why would I be doing Kirin with a total douche anyway? :P). And yeah Dracoth... we haven't gotten a single drop in like 8 Kirins so far :/.
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#5 Dec 01 2009 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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In my opinion, YES.

My reasoning parts from the premise that the item in itself is regarded by all the jobs that can equip it as a "Medal" of sorts, that proves to you you have extensive knowledge of Sky, at the very least. Sure, you could straight buy 'em from some LS, but if you think like me, such a rare and useful item is like a badge of honor, especially for PLD, since the wait list is usually long, and the drop rate can be horrid at times.

Of course, if I catch you wearing the NQ's, I would still be green with envy, lol, but I would never by any means berate that, since W.Legs for me have an intrinsecal and emotional value that makes them worthwhile to HQ, but I know well not everyone shares my point of view.

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But now... HQing sort of seems like a way of commemorating the effort I put into helping build my Sky LS, manage people's wishlists (we have ensured that everyone got what they wanted in Sky before we move onto Sea, e.g.), recruit, strategize, and finally get this item. For me, it's not about what people see when they /check my character (in fact, I would be kind of embarassed to come across as an HQ junkie, or worse, fulltime WLegs PLD). It's just the feeling that I'll never get this drop again -- even if I did, I would never *take* it again, I'd rather someone else get it. I dunno, it's like buying a special edition of an album or movie or game you really love, or buying the vinyl instead of just downloading the torrent, or whatever. As for the money, 1m still seems like a lot to me, but it isn't some insane amount.


By all means go for it. It is exactly like getting that "super special limited edition" CD from the band you love, only that it is for the job we all grown to love and play: PLD. Man I wish I had a pair ; ;

Edited, Dec 1st 2009 11:36pm by Cigarman
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#6 Dec 02 2009 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
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i did the nq because i didn't see a difference in functionality. some people like to hq stuff but for me personally it's not worth it, they still hold the same meaning to me nq or hq.



but that's just my opinion, i could be wrong.

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Can't you upgrade anything else that would make your PLD better with the money first? Lamia Kaman +1, Toreador's Ring for Atonement-spam TP build, Gigant Mantle for Cure Cheat setup, Merman's Rings/Earrings for MDT set, etc...

If you're sitting pretty and have nothing else to spend it on, go for it. If you are postponing upgrades for a shiny white box of does nothing, then at least make 100% sure you've determined that you couldn't live without it.

The end decision here is do what you can live with. My recommendation is that you try really hard to explain to yourself why the white box is bad on that item, but if you really will hate yourself without it, then get it anyway.

I've always thought that particular white box either means you are rich (own everything you could ever want so it doesn't matter), dumb (can't invest gil intelligently), or rich and dumb (got lucky with something and have no clue how to use your money well), but I can see from your OP that it's not that simple.

Either way you go, congratulations on a fantastic item that I've personally yet to attain (NQ sitting in the MH just waiting for the drop as we speak). :)
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#8 Dec 02 2009 at 3:49 AM Rating: Good
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Can't you upgrade anything else that would make your PLD better with the money first? Lamia Kaman +1, Toreador's Ring for Atonement-spam TP build, Gigant Mantle for Cure Cheat setup, Merman's Rings/Earrings for MDT set, etc...


Well yeah, but if you get the abjuration and you know that you're only ever going to get one of them, and you wanted the HQ and had just enough spendable money on hand for it, would you really to hold off on getting SPEEDY PANTS for the sake of any of that other stuff? I know I wouldn't >_>
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Can't you upgrade anything else that would make your PLD better with the money first? Lamia Kaman +1, Toreador's Ring for Atonement-spam TP build, Gigant Mantle for Cure Cheat setup, Merman's Rings/Earrings for MDT set, etc...


Well yeah, but if you get the abjuration and you know that you're only ever going to get one of them, and you wanted the HQ and had just enough spendable money on hand for it, would you really to hold off on getting SPEEDY PANTS for the sake of any of that other stuff? I know I wouldn't >_>


Lol, nailed the head right there. I'd go as far as NPCing some crap if I was like really, really close to the asking price. It's not just a regular piece of equip, it's FAST PANTS.
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#10 Dec 02 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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I wish I'd HQed mine, not only for the self-satisfaction, but also the extra Fire Resist. (Yeah I know, I'm a resist-junkie).

At the time, the NQ was ~1m and the HQ was ~8m, so it wasn't even a viable option for me, but if I happened upon another pair I'd HQ them and never look back. (And I'm not the type to HQ abjurations, in fact I don't have a single HQ abjuration, I rarely feel that the large price increase is worth the small stat increase).

I'll never get another set, and I'm completely fine with that. Our WLegs list is the longest single drop list in the LS, beating out Ebody by a fair margin, but that's because our Kirins NEVER drop WLegs. We've gotten 5 in over 2 years.

I'm so glad I got mine from a friend who was quitting (Not that I was happy that he left), had a Kirin set and got a bunch of his friends to come kill Kirin, free lot anything that dropped. That was one of the luckiest days in my FFXI career.

In short, HQ them if you can afford it, but don't be that PLD who runs around in Blood Cuisses and cheap gear everywhere else, make sure your priorities are in order.
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#11 Dec 02 2009 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Yep, I definitely hear you guys out on not spending the gil for this particular HQ when there are other major gear gaps that need to be filled. For me, at this point, barring super-expensive stuff like Ares/Relic (and a couple other things... Toreador's Ring would cost me 3.7m for +2 acc, for example), RareEx stuff I'm already working on like Homam, and a couple things I'll get as soon as the AH price drops back to my liking (HQ -MDT rings), my PLD's AH gear is pretty much done.

You guys don't really think that after all the advice I've gotten from you (and hito, Scar, few others) that I'd be running around with subpar gear do you? ;) Just drop rates holding me back~


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If I got 'em today, I would HQ 'em just 'cause.

Several years ago when I did get them? Nah. The price was a lot higher.
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psubond wrote:
i did the nq because i didn't see a difference in functionality. some people like to hq stuff but for me personally it's not worth it, they still hold the same meaning to me nq or hq.



but that's just my opinion, i could be wrong.


I don't find this opinion wrong at all - it's just not mine.

With HQ abjurations, the only debate is "Do I have everything else I could reasonably get with that gil vs. how badly do I want the White Box." This isn't something math can answer. It's not even an issue of "You're gimp because you don't have +2 more fire resist!" Therefore, it's not something that I think will ever have a consensus of "You must deal with abjurations this way!"
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HQ them.

the extra resist is what youre really after here. Fire resist is the main one. There are many enemies which a fire resist set will make much easier for you. Yes you can gain the required fire resist without them as a HQ. But with the HQ you can reach a suficiant amount of resist while opening up a diferant slot of equipment for something other than a resist peice. That will make you just a stronger tank.

combine this with the price being one of the cheepest, decent, HQ pieces available and you really dont have a reason not to.
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Seems to me like you *want* to HQ them, but are having a hard time justifying it to yourself. If this is the case, if you NQ'd them you'd feel bad further down the line; and that's all the justification that's needed to HQ them, imo. I HQ'd mine and was happy I did so.
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I had this discussion with a couple of people right before I decided to HQ my legs.

There were a few things that basically helped me decide to HQ it. I would not probably get the drop again and I might reqret not making them HQ since it is a piece that could be full-timed depending on what you are doing or if you have no other options. I have several jobs that can wear them so that was also a factor. When I did it, it took every drop of gil I had left, but I can honestly say that I will never regret making them HQ.

IMO if you can afford it or can wait until you can, HQ.
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i waited several years for my wlegs. you're **** straight i HQ'd them. never regretted it. any functional difference? no. give me a warm fuzzy? you betcha.
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#20 Dec 04 2009 at 3:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Hmmmm...

I'm not sure what to say. I myself have the NQ, and i'm more than happy just with that.

But if we look at the item rationally, does the 8,000 gil NQ perform any diffirent from the HQ? I'd say no.

The main reason you're using it is for the movement speed. The high DEF is nice but mostly irrelevant anyhow and the Elemental Resistance does not improve all that much from NQ>HQ either.

I am not, and probably never will be, someone who finds 2HP 2MP and 1 DEF to be worth 2 mil, especially since it's not the focus of why you have that piece of gear in the first place.

The only actual reason people have to HQ it, is e-peen. Though i'm not sure the waste of several millions of gil should be seen as positive e-peen or negative e-peen.

If you want to HQ it, you're doing it for yourself really. I, and i'm sure many others, dont think any better of someone with HQ instead of NQ. Though when i pass by you, you can be sure i'm rolling my eyes behind my screen thinking of what a waste of gil that is.
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Hmmmm...

I'm not sure what to say. I myself have the NQ, and i'm more than happy just with that.

But if we look at the item rationally, does the 8,000 gil NQ perform any diffirent from the HQ? I'd say no.

The main reason you're using it is for the movement speed. The high DEF is nice but mostly irrelevant anyhow and the Elemental Resistance does not improve all that much from NQ>HQ either.

I am not, and probably never will be, someone who finds 2HP 2MP and 1 DEF to be worth 2 mil, especially since it's not the focus of why you have that piece of gear in the first place.

The only actual reason people have to HQ it, is e-peen. Though i'm not sure the waste of several millions of gil should be seen as positive e-peen or negative e-peen.

If you want to HQ it, you're doing it for yourself really. I, and i'm sure many others, dont think any better of someone with HQ instead of NQ. Though when i pass by you, you can be sure i'm rolling my eyes behind my screen thinking of what a waste of gil that is.


I don't think any more or less of anyone who has NQ or HQ gear, but there is a reason to HQ beyond epeen.

The Fire Resist, although a very small factor, is a viable reason to HQ them. The more Fire Resist you can cram into as few slots as possible, the more MDT/MDB you can wear elsewhere. It's a small thing, but for some of us we like to min/max like that. (Not from any standpoint of personal ego, it's just something I find enjoyable, working out different combinations of gear to get a tiny edge here and there)
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Eh, I think my original post had more than enough qualifiers indicating that not everyone's "non-functional" reasons for HQing are exactly the same. Like I said, to some degree I'd even be a bit embarrassed to run around in what some see as a "useless" HQ... but not really.
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I have the NQ.

I don't have a white box.

And yet you know... when I use it I still think of the great bunch of people I worked hard with to obtain it :)
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I've had the NQ cursed legs on a mule for 4+ years. They have sentimental value as a goal I always wanted to uncurse them. I plan on doing that so white box isn't really a concern of mine. But do whatever tickles your pickle.
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The HQ for Crimson legs isn't very high, the functionality difference isn't very high either.

If you have other stuff to buy, I don't think anyone really sees blood cuisses as an epeen item (I know I don't when I see people have it) so it would be up to you.
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The HQ for Crimson legs isn't very high, the functionality difference isn't very high either.

If you have other stuff to buy, I don't think anyone really sees blood cuisses as an epeen item (I know I don't when I see people have it) so it would be up to you.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like you're saying I shouldn't HQ because (a) it doesn't have much functionality (duh) and (b) it won't make anyone ooh-and-aah at my gear (if you read my original post, I'm saying that's not what I'm doing it for anyway and in fact hope that people don't even think that; I'm not out to impress teenagers who think purely in terms of "epeen" anyway).
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If you think there's even a sliver of a chance that you might regret NOT HQ'ing it, you better do it. You will most likely only have one shot at it. You could always spend a long weekend farming a bunch of gil, but you'll probably never get a second abjuration.
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I didnt HQ mine, when I got mine it was by luck. I was on tier with a few other PLDs. When the drop did happen, none of the plds on the tier were there, esp the pld whom was always at each run was not present that night when they dropped to me. Those were the last legs for our shell at the time for a good while since we stop doing sky due to scheduling/members.

I was so happy to have gotten with a billion ppl on the tier that I got them synth'd right away. At this time PLD was already pulling away from my budget. HQing them at the time wasnt on my priority at that time, getting them and having them ready for my pld was.

Do I regret not getting HQ? Yes. If I could go back and get them HQ'd would I? Probably.

So if you can afford it, by all means, go HQ. 1mil isnt really that bad to refarm up. You could farm up 1M before you would ever see another pair, either from Kirin, or to you.

Go for the HQ, youll regret it later if you didnt, and not being able to get another is what will make you regret it.

Its a fulltime piece for when you arent tanking(outside of firesets) So youll always have them on, and youll always be looking at it and thinking "should of white boxed them" I say full time b/c running from A to B 12% faster is great. Running in HQ'd 12% faster is better.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems like you're saying I shouldn't HQ because (a) it doesn't have much functionality (duh) and (b) it won't make anyone ooh-and-aah at my gear (if you read my original post, I'm saying that's not what I'm doing it for anyway and in fact hope that people don't even think that; I'm not out to impress teenagers who think purely in terms of "epeen" anyway).


Yep :)

Sounds like you have your answer from your response above, too.

Unless your crazy rich, I wouldn't recommend it.
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