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#1 Nov 24 2009 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, I just tried PLD the other day while taking a break from my 72 BST, and I found that I love the job, and I've been reading about how to play the job effectively, and I'm stuck on two points-
*VIT+ or DEF+
*/WAR or /DNC
Now mind you, only level 12 ATM, but I'm just trying to think ahead.
Thanks in advance.
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#2 Nov 24 2009 at 12:43 PM Rating: Decent
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For low levels, defense and VIT are pretty important (attack is much more potent at low levels too, so I'd still use 2x Mighty Rings while keeping my gear up to speed for defense).

It's been a long time since I was under subjob levels (DNC didn't exist then); been using /WAR on PLD by default. /DNC doesn't really gain a foothold til 40 when you can get a weakened version of provoke. I can't really comment on the utility of /DNC in parties. It's a fantastic solo subjob though.

When Animated Flourish uses up one finishing move, it generates 1 CE 1000 VE, for two moves, it's 1 CE 1500 VE. For reference, provoke is 1 CE 1800 VE, flash is 180 CE 1280 VE. I can't offhand remember exactly how Animated Flourish changes when subbed.



Edited, Nov 24th 2009 12:54pm by bsphil
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#3 Nov 24 2009 at 4:24 PM Rating: Good
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Obligatory link to my DD PLD guide. DD PLD works at all levels, but the only levels you see any returns for increased Defense/Vit is at the lower levels (below subjob level, for sure). A lot of people don't recommend going DD PLD until the 50's (Vorpal, Hauby, etc), but I've Sync'd just fine and had another PLD leveled 10-30 the DD route and enjoyed it much more.
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#4 Dec 10 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Good
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VIT+ or DEF+


If you have to make a choice between the two, I'd say go for DEF rather than VIT.
Main reason is that you're (probably) eating foods that give you a +%def so having more base def will give you better returns.

There are probably other reasons but its been so long I can't remember them D:
I remember it was normal in my day to start wearing +VIT only at about lvl50 because of the spiders in the boyada tree which could (omg)oneshot you with sickle slash. haha - old school >w<

Obviously if you're lacking in good options in any slot, DD gear will help you hold hate (and do damage :D) whatever level you are :)

I would say that /war is still the way to go. I don't know much about /dnc in pts but I'm 100% sure that you can go 1-75 as /war.

Best way to learn a job is to go and play it though :) Try some different gear, see how it goes :) The mobs are pretty forgiving at lvl12 :D
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#5 Dec 10 2009 at 11:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, I'm level 27 now, and /WAR in pt, /DNC solo so far.
x2 VIT rings, the works, with an elaborate Macro system for WS'ing.
Now I have a quick question, if I use my WS Macro, and Blink AFTER I WS, do I still get the effects of the STR Rings / Pants?
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#6 Dec 10 2009 at 5:27 PM Rating: Decent
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I can't offhand remember exactly how Animated Flourish changes when subbed.


The only real difference is when you're /DNC it takes twice as long to acquire finishing moves (you only get one per step when subbed).
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#7 Dec 10 2009 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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IZyphosI wrote:
Well, I'm level 27 now, and /WAR in pt, /DNC solo so far.
x2 VIT rings, the works, with an elaborate Macro system for WS'ing.
Now I have a quick question, if I use my WS Macro, and Blink AFTER I WS, do I still get the effects of the STR Rings / Pants?


Yes, you'll get the effects of STR in your WS's.

I'd still advocate you try two mighty rings, just to compare for yourself. I really wish I could go back and DD the whole way through.
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#8 Dec 11 2009 at 1:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dracoth wrote:
I really wish I could go back and DD the whole way through.


I think that at times, and then I remember how badly I hate XP PTs. :P

It's the reason my RDM has taken a year to get from 60 to 70, I get bored way too easily in a PT.
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#9 Dec 11 2009 at 9:46 AM Rating: Good
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Eh, after I hit 75, I never partied outside of my LS so I rarely had to worry about the issues associated with leveling. I actually find it kind of refreshing after dealing with end game.
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#10 Dec 11 2009 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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Dracoth wrote:
I really wish I could go back and DD the whole way through.


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#11 Dec 12 2009 at 2:43 AM Rating: Good
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I find that in the lower levels, a hybrid gear set is generally best. Rings, for example, get much more per slot by equipping Mighty or Vision rather than vit. Conversely, the body slot doesn't have very good DD gear available until at least Luisant, which is expensive. Might as well stack def and vit in that slot instead of the few points of dex you can get. Defense is generally more potent at low levels than vit is, but happy coincidence most gear with vit also has high defense.

You should also have both kinds of food with you. Defense for when you are getting hit hard, and attack/acc for when you aren't. What I did was go a couple of fights without food, and if the book refresh was keeping up, I used attack food. If not, I used defense food, which is really potent at low levels. It can also change as you level up, like eating fish for pugils at lvl 22, but meat for pugils at lvl 24.

As for subjobs, /war is almost always best in exp pts. It is possible to go /dnc after lvl 40, but you have to really know what you're doing. And pld is busy enough without MORE timers, tp, and finishing moves to keep track of. I have yet to try it myself, but I'm kind of excited to do so. But not until a leypoint party so I can change and come back fast if I hate it.

Oh, and for WS macros. If the equipment change is on the line above the WS, it counts. If it is below the WS, it won't. You can't go by the blinking, that is just graphics and can lag behind. The important thing is that the command to change equipment was sent to the server before the command to WS.
This can be done in the same macro, or by pushing an equipment change macro then quickly hitting the WS macro. There doesn't have to be any delay between the two.


Edited, Dec 12th 2009 12:52am by Zeynothix
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