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#1 Nov 09 2009 at 3:38 PM Rating: Good
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Some quick thoughts, as of 1:30 PM PST on Monday:

-Kinesis Mantle +1 -- finally, a +enmity back piece that's not very expensive (Cerberus) or a pain to camp (Resentment, hopefully not this) or advanced Dynamis only (Valor)

-Styrne Byrnie +1 -- Inscribable... Please god, let us have a sidegrade to Haubergeon. It's kind of sad that PLDs have to stare at the same model from Level 59 forward... and how about a new shield that's better than Koenig/Terror but worse than Aegis?

-Accura Cape +1 -- a 4acc cape that's inscribable... is something better than Forager's, but worse than Cuchulainn's, coming up?

(Yes, I'm tired of staring at Haubergeon + Joyeuse + Koenig/Terror all the time, and will be happy even with minor sidegrades to those~)

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 6:18pm by soopafeen
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#2 Nov 09 2009 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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What armor set is that =o
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What armor set is that =o
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=125780208824377250&num=13&page=1

Ebon/Ebur/Furia Haubert Set
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#5 Nov 10 2009 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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Full list: http://www.ffxiah.com/?new_items

More finds:

Incredible HP neckpiece: http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16302

Enmity in the Ammo slot!: http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=19242... but no new TP option :( http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=19239

Belt: http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=15943 -- replaces Life Belt, for TP or, if you have Swift, Vorpal

Sash: http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=15946 -- replaces Speed Belt when you have a SCH in your party... yes, you read that correctly^^

Bahram Cuisses – http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16376. Top piece for Vorpal.

Incredible rings for those without something like Rajas+Toreador: http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=15851; http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=15850

And lots of gear nice for lower-level PLDs, like Mettle Boots +1 and Combat Mittens, and http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=15941.

And some mysteries... http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16295


Edited, Nov 10th 2009 6:21pm by soopafeen

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 7:31pm by soopafeen
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#6 Nov 10 2009 at 6:19 PM Rating: Good
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Bahram Cuisses – http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16376. Top piece for Vorpal, beats Askar for TP.


For Vorpal yes. For TP, the slow +10% would disagree with you.

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 6:22pm by Dynas
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Dynas wrote:
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Bahram Cuisses – http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=16376. Top piece for Vorpal, beats Askar for TP.


For Vorpal yes. For TP, the slow +10% would disagree with you.

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 6:22pm by Dynas


Haha, bit of an oversight on my part ;). Thanks^^
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I wonder if the enmity ammo would be better to use over a lamian kaman fulltime or so.. if you don't need the MP/MDEF that is.

Only now where to get it... Maybe it's a MMM reward of some kind ^^

Edited, Nov 11th 2009 3:25am by NaWA
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NaWA wrote:
I wonder if the enmity ammo would be better to use over a lamian kaman fulltime or so.. if you don't need the MP/MDEF that is.

Only now where to get it... Maybe it's a MMM reward of some kind ^^

Edited, Nov 11th 2009 3:25am by NaWA


The new ammo should be macro'd in for Cures and JAs, not used at any other time. For TP, use a Smart Grenade or Tiphia Sting; for Magic Defense, use Kaman; for max HP, use Egg or Iwatsubute. FR, Cerb Bow. Etc...

Edited, Nov 10th 2009 9:34pm by soopafeen
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K dunno if this has been mentioned yet... 6 TP per block? Viable /dnc option?

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#11 Nov 10 2009 at 9:59 PM Rating: Good
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It's a size 1 shield with no defense. I wouldn't trust it farther than I could toss a Moogle-laden Taru.
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#12 Nov 10 2009 at 11:42 PM Rating: Good
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I camped one out once it was discovered and it doesn't seem worth it to be honest.
Not for paladin atleast.

Although it may have potential for rdm.
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I agree. RDM/NIN with Shield Mastery on a shield that can block a lot has potential, but for PLD... the Shield Mastery +1 isn't worth what we're giving up.
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Dracoth wrote:
I agree. RDM/NIN with Shield Mastery on a shield that can block a lot has potential, but for PLD... the Shield Mastery +1 isn't worth what we're giving up.
At least, visually, it looks cool?
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Dracoth wrote:
I agree. RDM/NIN with Shield Mastery on a shield that can block a lot has potential, but for PLD... the Shield Mastery +1 isn't worth what we're giving up.


Since you brought it up, I'm wondering at what point (of mob strength) will 227 Shield Skill no longer be enough with a Size 1 shield to proc decently?* RDM has 189 base Shield skill, Buckler Earring/Boxer Mantle/AF Boots/Shield Torque/4 merits = +38 skill, so 227 is the maximum with Shield Mastery as /NIN; I'm guessing it will be useless over Terra's Staff and -PDT% gear for HNM, and I'm pretty sure it will proc decently for VT-IT mobs, but do you know at what point the proc-rate will floor (so adding skill will do nothing)? I'm interested in the -Spell Interruption properties this could have on RDM, but I'm not much of a PLD expert, so I'm not sure I'm even approaching this in the right way (since RDM tanks with Shadows, and not so much with shields other than Genbu's).

*I would just ask the RDM forum, but you guys are pretty much the Shield experts.

Edit: Obviously I would only macro in the Adoubeur's Pavise when Shadows and Stoneskin are down; since 0 damage is clearly the best way to guarantee an uninterrupted cast.

Edit x2: Ok, technically the 227 number is wrong; it's 232 if you spend your MKd'E reward on a Shield +5 Selenian Cap, but I think most RDMs will stick with Fast Cast +10% on Warlock's Chapeau.

Thinking something like this:

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=121551

Edited, Nov 13th 2009 3:14pm by Aliekber
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I was under the impression that recent testing had shown that RDM could hit the established hard cap of SIR Down (That being 102%). If that's the case, I would cast Ichi in that versus any amount of Shield Skill, but I admit that I haven't read the research to see if that's viable.

As for Shield Skill, I honestly have no idea at what point 227 becomes uncapped Block Rate.
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A size one shield blocks often enough that adding Shield Mastery to it would negate the interruption. It would not negate nearly as much damage, but the uninterruptable part is the reason to use this shield.

Yes, it wouldn't replace Terra's staff and a good -PDT set. The -PDT set should be used with Stoneskin, too, as it lengthens the amount of time between casts. I think this would primarily be a soloist shield to help get Stoneskin up more easily.

RDM gets Shield Mastery without having to sub /PLD. That's the only real use I see for this - benefits of Shield Mastery AND shadows in one little package.

As far as the exacts, we still haven't worked out all the kinks on Shield Mastery. We know they cap at 60% block rate and that the bigger shields block more per hit but are harder to cap. I think that there are very few jobs that can cap the 60% block rate on Size 3 shields and have access to the good Size 3 shields.
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I was under the impression that recent testing had shown that RDM could hit the established hard cap of SIR Down (That being 102%). If that's the case, I would cast Ichi in that versus any amount of Shield Skill, but I admit that I haven't read the research to see if that's viable.

As for Shield Skill, I honestly have no idea at what point 227 becomes uncapped Block Rate.


Oh, I always thought -Spell Interruption% only applied to spells that fall under native skills. I suppose I'll have to research that.

That said, I'm still going to snatch one of these up in case it ends up being viable. After all, it's just one slot as opposed to a full -Interrupt% build.
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I have an addition to the OP list of new items which could have some use. The Krousis Ring and its respective HQ the Krousis Ring +1 are upgrades of the phalanx ring with a defense of 15 and 20 respectively. They're crafted from goldsmithing and use a platinum ring and an imperial topaz dropped off of the new golem NM Huwasi in the sanctuary of zi'tah. You can even try to augment it in FoV to add some nice elemental resistance to it. All in all, it's a nice ring if you're looking for some extra defense, and it adds quite a bit for the slot it takes up. The HQ adds double the defense of the phalanx, and no other ring comes close.

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At the level that Phalanx rings come up, a PLD is better served using Accuracy rings. At 66, especially if you're xp'ing in ToAU, there's really no reason to have that ring as anything but an "Oh, ****, we're REALLY overcamping here."

Defense just doesn't do enough at that high of a level to matter.
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I know this is a late post but this mentality bugs the crap out of me

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-Styrne Byrnie +1 -- Inscribable... Please god, let us have a sidegrade to Haubergeon. It's kind of sad that PLDs have to stare at the same model from Level 59 forward... and how about a new shield that's better than Koenig/Terror but worse than Aegis?


IF THEY ADD A BETTER PIECE IT WILL BECOME THE NEW PIECE YOU SEE NON STOP AND GET TIRED OF.

I don't understand people who are irritated with char models on their gear. Yeah its great to get something new and better but want it for the stats not because your tired of looking at it. If they make a new shield then your going to have everyone fighting to get one then in 1 year everyone will be ******** again about the **** models. If you hate it that much start changing your .dats.

I know this outburst is kinda extreme but its finally gotten to me. So many jobs complain about looking at the same gear and wanting something new. I'm one of those people that gets more excited when gear/ja/traits/meritable things gets updated and it changes the way we play. Or when people think of new strats to kill stuff we already have been killing.

Ok /rant off. Ive made my peace.
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Those defense rings really serve no purpose at the level you can wear them, however if you could augment them and get some nice -damage taken from them that would be quite nice, anything around 2% and up would be better than patronus ring outside of campaign.
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I know this is a late post but this mentality bugs the crap out of me

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-Styrne Byrnie +1 -- Inscribable... Please god, let us have a sidegrade to Haubergeon. It's kind of sad that PLDs have to stare at the same model from Level 59 forward... and how about a new shield that's better than Koenig/Terror but worse than Aegis?


IF THEY ADD A BETTER PIECE IT WILL BECOME THE NEW PIECE YOU SEE NON STOP AND GET TIRED OF.

I don't understand people who are irritated with char models on their gear.


I should clarify then. It's not just the model that bothers me. What bothers me is that the top TP piece for my job is an AH piece that can be worn at Level 59. Ares's Cuirass is a Sidegrade+Refresh for 14m gil, which I think is a bit of a large gap given the performance difference/ Similarly, it bothers me that there is a major dearth of shields that make an appreciable difference over Koenig (insert "Aegis" for "Ares's Cuirass" above, except 200m). It's not just the model, it's the lack of options. When SE is adding a boat load of gear with stats like "+3 Magic Evasion vs. Demons" and "+2 Attack vs. Amorphs," doesn't seem like much to ask.
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On the plus side, wearing the same gear the whole time is actually better on our pocket book.

Sure, I agree, things should get better and better as we go along. We should count our blessings we're not upgrading every 3-5 levels and increasing cost as we go.
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on the subject of redmages, shield mastery, and so on~

the shield mastery buckler could be preferable if the proc rate was sane so that a RDM could continue casting shadows in their haste set instead of a spell interuption set.

it hadn't been mentioned in this thread, so there ya go. =3
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