Admittedly I only quickly glimpsed through the stickies since I'm in a rush to get out the door but would like an answer for when I return.
I'm re-writting all my PLD macros and was wondering whether I should idle in full enmity gear while swapping in haste only for casting spells like Utsu, Flash, Reprisal, etc etc, or if I should simply full time haste.
Thanks for any replies.
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Quick PLD tanking questionFollow
Hiswhitewings, Fenrir
75 THF,RDM,PLD,NIN,BLU,DNC
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75 THF,RDM,PLD,NIN,BLU,DNC
Ballista addict
I probably rated you down.
Depends on what you tankin'.
I'd say, full +Enmity for JA's, and full Haste (Enmity where no Haste available) for spells. I don't think you'll idle too much this way, but if you do and the monster ain't that high level, might be worth it to Enmity and +acc to try and land a couple hits for hate, or just hit an HPDown->HPUp->Cure macro in the meantime.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2009 12:39pm by Cigarman
I'd say, full +Enmity for JA's, and full Haste (Enmity where no Haste available) for spells. I don't think you'll idle too much this way, but if you do and the monster ain't that high level, might be worth it to Enmity and +acc to try and land a couple hits for hate, or just hit an HPDown->HPUp->Cure macro in the meantime.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2009 12:39pm by Cigarman
Midgardsormr
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Muzaa wrote:
The Paladin Code: First man in, last man out.
Fulltime haste, and macro in enmity gear on non-haste slots for spells.
Don't idle in Enmity gear, it does practically nothing.
Idle in full Haste/ACC gear, hit the mob more, spam Atonement. Or abuse Chivalry timers with all that TP, dump your MP curing everyone. Or even Spirits Within if Chivalry isn't capped.
Most fights can be tanked this way. Some fights you might want to use other specific gear sets for.
Two examples I can think of are Jailer Of Love, which favors Magic Damage/Magic Defense gear, and the way we do Prudence is two PLD/WAR in full Shield Skill/Damage Down gear since he hits fast as crap and makes shadows worthless.
Idle in full Haste/ACC gear, hit the mob more, spam Atonement. Or abuse Chivalry timers with all that TP, dump your MP curing everyone. Or even Spirits Within if Chivalry isn't capped.
Most fights can be tanked this way. Some fights you might want to use other specific gear sets for.
Two examples I can think of are Jailer Of Love, which favors Magic Damage/Magic Defense gear, and the way we do Prudence is two PLD/WAR in full Shield Skill/Damage Down gear since he hits fast as crap and makes shadows worthless.
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I may be wrong but I remember reading something about enmity being useful if worn full time as it slows down hate decay. Maybe I'm wrong since this was before the enmity tests which I admit to not fully understanding.
I forgot about the whole sh*ts situational thing and failed to give situations.
Currently all I'll ever do as pld is dynamis as pld/rdm since I'll mostly be there to save the sleepers from getting pounded, and HOPEFULLY tank proto/ultima and do normal farming runs as pld for sh*ts and giggles.
This actually brings up another question I had; should I /rdm for limbus farming runs? I figured the DoT from Joy+enspell would outdo my slow ol' company/joy or /nin with joy/koenig since I'm just regearing my pld for tanking purposes only. Or should I stick to going as BLU or rdm to farming limbus runs?
The current pieces of haste I have available are as follows:
Turban
Dusk Gloves
Swift Belt
Homam feet.
When I have that on I wear:
Iron Ram Legs
Herc/Jelly(I picked Rajas)
HB mantle
The neck with +enm -vit, the name escapes me, sorry.
My main/sub combo depends on the situation but I have joy and mac+1 along w/ my koenig shield.
My mdef set is lacking as well. All I really have is IR gear and one coral earring...that's it. Any suggestions here would be great! Especially if they're items that aren't crazy ultra uber crazy hard to obtain and I only do dynamis/limbus currently.
My earring slot needs some heavy duty upgrading. The best I have is the +15mp/hp and +15 mp earrings.
I'm aiming for Loquacious but so far I've upgraded to rdm af body+1 and half way to blu af body+1 so these are keeping that goal of obtaining one far away.
If loquacious really is THAT good I'll get it no doubt but from what I understand it would shave off MAYBE 1 sec off my timers?
I guess this is turning int a "rate my gear thread" but I appreciate any feedback given.
Thanks again and I apologize if my post seems a bit unorganized. Its hard to write well from a cell phone :[
I forgot about the whole sh*ts situational thing and failed to give situations.
Currently all I'll ever do as pld is dynamis as pld/rdm since I'll mostly be there to save the sleepers from getting pounded, and HOPEFULLY tank proto/ultima and do normal farming runs as pld for sh*ts and giggles.
This actually brings up another question I had; should I /rdm for limbus farming runs? I figured the DoT from Joy+enspell would outdo my slow ol' company/joy or /nin with joy/koenig since I'm just regearing my pld for tanking purposes only. Or should I stick to going as BLU or rdm to farming limbus runs?
The current pieces of haste I have available are as follows:
Turban
Dusk Gloves
Swift Belt
Homam feet.
When I have that on I wear:
Iron Ram Legs
Herc/Jelly(I picked Rajas)
HB mantle
The neck with +enm -vit, the name escapes me, sorry.
My main/sub combo depends on the situation but I have joy and mac+1 along w/ my koenig shield.
My mdef set is lacking as well. All I really have is IR gear and one coral earring...that's it. Any suggestions here would be great! Especially if they're items that aren't crazy ultra uber crazy hard to obtain and I only do dynamis/limbus currently.
My earring slot needs some heavy duty upgrading. The best I have is the +15mp/hp and +15 mp earrings.
I'm aiming for Loquacious but so far I've upgraded to rdm af body+1 and half way to blu af body+1 so these are keeping that goal of obtaining one far away.
If loquacious really is THAT good I'll get it no doubt but from what I understand it would shave off MAYBE 1 sec off my timers?
I guess this is turning int a "rate my gear thread" but I appreciate any feedback given.
Thanks again and I apologize if my post seems a bit unorganized. Its hard to write well from a cell phone :[
Hiswhitewings, Fenrir
75 THF,RDM,PLD,NIN,BLU,DNC
Ballista addict
I probably rated you down.
75 THF,RDM,PLD,NIN,BLU,DNC
Ballista addict
I probably rated you down.
Hiswhitewings wrote:
I may be wrong but I remember reading something about enmity being useful if worn full time as it slows down hate decay. Maybe I'm wrong since this was before the enmity tests which I admit to not fully understanding.
You're wrong here. Kanican proved that Volatile Enmity is ALWAYS -60 per second. There's no way around it. If you have VE, it'll decay at that rate. And, if I remember correctly, +enmity does nothing to help you hold on to CE when you take damage - it's just your total HP and the amount of damage you take that affects it. So, idling in Enmity gear is giving a small boost to damage dealt CE/VE at the expense of being able to deal more damage and thus net higher CE/VE from it.
Hiswhitewings wrote:
I forgot about the whole sh*ts situational thing and failed to give situations.
You've got the right idea, but there's no situation to full time enmity gear.
Hiswhitewings wrote:
This actually brings up another question I had; should I /rdm for limbus farming runs? I figured the DoT from Joy+enspell would outdo my slow ol' company/joy or /nin with joy/koenig since I'm just regearing my pld for tanking purposes only. Or should I stick to going as BLU or rdm to farming limbus runs?
I'd rather go BLU to farming runs now that it's 75. My PLD may be a little more tricked out, but we've got plenty of people with just PLD to fill in that role. I'm assuming that you're in a similar boat.
Hiswhitewings wrote:
My earring slot needs some heavy duty upgrading. The best I have is the +15mp/hp and +15 mp earrings.
Ditch them. At the least, get Merman's Earrings. They'll hold you over AND help with both DD and MDef setups. Fairly cheap, too, really.
Hiswhitewings wrote:
I'm aiming for Loquacious but so far I've upgraded to rdm af body+1 and half way to blu af body+1 so these are keeping that goal of obtaining one far away.
Loq. should be the last thing you pick up for PLD. Brutal will serve you better, regardless of what you're doing, since it should be on more than Loq.
Leviathan - PLD90, BLU90, MNK 90, DRG 78
Buckler's not a terrible earring to wear idling. +3 Shield skill is better than +15 MP at any rate. If you can you're going to want Ethereal someday. And honestly I'd probably wear a DD earring (Suppa, Assault, Fowling, etc) in any of the situations you mentioned. I practically full time Suppa + Ethereal since I don't have Loq. (stopped Limbus long ago).
In general, if all you're doing is Dynamis and Limbus, your gear is probably fine. You have a decent amount of haste so you'll be OK. Farming Limbus, wear Haste/DD gear for most of it (obviously if you have trouble keeping your shadows up or are fighting something tough, you can switch the DD gear for enmity/shield skill). I'd /NIN in Limbus - mostly groups pull/fight 1-2 mobs at a time so you don't need the crowd control tools that /RDM or /WAR has as much as in Dyna.
In general, if all you're doing is Dynamis and Limbus, your gear is probably fine. You have a decent amount of haste so you'll be OK. Farming Limbus, wear Haste/DD gear for most of it (obviously if you have trouble keeping your shadows up or are fighting something tough, you can switch the DD gear for enmity/shield skill). I'd /NIN in Limbus - mostly groups pull/fight 1-2 mobs at a time so you don't need the crowd control tools that /RDM or /WAR has as much as in Dyna.
Leviathan
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76PLD/75WAR/75COR/45NIN/39RNG/37SAM/26THF/25WHM
Elvaan Female
Windurstian
76PLD/75WAR/75COR/45NIN/39RNG/37SAM/26THF/25WHM
When I go PLD/RDM to Dyna, I do tend to idle in Enmity gear since I'm just spamming spells over and over on slept mobs, but I have my Shield set and DD set macroed to handle MNK mobs, mobs that wake up, and DDing to get TP for Chivalry/I'm bored.
You mentioned Ultima, I DD tank Ultima and have solid support, so we're able to have 2 PLDs DD tanking him, killing in ~20 minutes. For him, you could pick up Coral body, rings, earrings, IR Lance for Citadel Buster, and they're all very cheap.
I don't go PLD to normal farming runs, but if you wanted to I would think that a strong /NIN DW build would outdo a Joy/Enspell setup, and you have 15% Haste as is so that's an excellent start.
Loq Earring, yes it's best only used to cast Flash/Utsusemi/Reprisal, and yes it's a minor difference, but that's all most gear in this game is anyway, minor differences that add up to large benefits over time when combined together.
When you add as much Shield Skill as possible together, you maximize your chance to block. When you add as much Haste/Fast Cast as possible (up to the cap), you maximize your ability to keep shadows up and Flash as much as possible, etc etc.
What I ask myself when writing macros is: What can I put in this to max out what I am trying to do? I then work with what I have/can get, to accomplish that, so that I know that I'm doing all that I can to be as efficient as possible.
When your entire PT/Alliance/LS has that mindset, and takes the extra time to do this, it's very noticeable, not only because of the math standpoint, but people with that mindset tend to be naturally more efficient than lazy people who never swap gear or try to be better because "they do fine". (Not talking about blinking, that's another discussion, but even swapping as much non-visible if you don't blink)
You mentioned Ultima, I DD tank Ultima and have solid support, so we're able to have 2 PLDs DD tanking him, killing in ~20 minutes. For him, you could pick up Coral body, rings, earrings, IR Lance for Citadel Buster, and they're all very cheap.
I don't go PLD to normal farming runs, but if you wanted to I would think that a strong /NIN DW build would outdo a Joy/Enspell setup, and you have 15% Haste as is so that's an excellent start.
Loq Earring, yes it's best only used to cast Flash/Utsusemi/Reprisal, and yes it's a minor difference, but that's all most gear in this game is anyway, minor differences that add up to large benefits over time when combined together.
When you add as much Shield Skill as possible together, you maximize your chance to block. When you add as much Haste/Fast Cast as possible (up to the cap), you maximize your ability to keep shadows up and Flash as much as possible, etc etc.
What I ask myself when writing macros is: What can I put in this to max out what I am trying to do? I then work with what I have/can get, to accomplish that, so that I know that I'm doing all that I can to be as efficient as possible.
When your entire PT/Alliance/LS has that mindset, and takes the extra time to do this, it's very noticeable, not only because of the math standpoint, but people with that mindset tend to be naturally more efficient than lazy people who never swap gear or try to be better because "they do fine". (Not talking about blinking, that's another discussion, but even swapping as much non-visible if you don't blink)
Furionstormrage of Cerberus - PLD/WAR/RDM/NIN/WHM/DRK
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Thanks for the input.
I suppose I'll go for the Loquacious earring since I use a Joyeuse and afaik Brutals benefits aren't as great with a multi attack weapon. I've swapped out my lolearrings and use Suppa/Fenrir earrings for now and swap in Coral for mdef bonuses.
Tried to fix the rate downs in this thread to no avail ;[
I suppose I'll go for the Loquacious earring since I use a Joyeuse and afaik Brutals benefits aren't as great with a multi attack weapon. I've swapped out my lolearrings and use Suppa/Fenrir earrings for now and swap in Coral for mdef bonuses.
Tried to fix the rate downs in this thread to no avail ;[
Hiswhitewings, Fenrir
75 THF,RDM,PLD,NIN,BLU,DNC
Ballista addict
I probably rated you down.
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