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#1 Mar 07 2009 at 9:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Been a career RDM for 4 years, finally decided to level PLD and BLU to 75 also due to gear and merits it seems to be a wise choice to do those 2. (WHM BLM BRD too but rather give those a miss)

At the moment PLD only 40, and I am currently researching into HP vs VIT vs Def vs enmity.

For the first 30 level, I pretty much just loaded up on VIT as there isn't really much choice, but as it hit over 40, gear choices starting to increase and I am looking at different gear choice other than just VIT. Have 2 PLD friends giving me totally different advices, 1 told me to turtle up on Def and Vit and get some of the VIT pieces on AH like the IM Helm and such, where as the other friend told me don't bother loading up on VIT as the effect it has is minimal.

The second friend told me to as long as I have over +10 VIT I should just stop loading up on it, and use Voyager Sallet over the IM Helm. And told me to get the new Gothic Gloves and Boots combo from Casket (took a while but got them).

What I am looking into at the moment is VIT vs Def, or the general usefulness of VIT (if at all), and also is there a "too much enmity"? I am using Dash Sash (+2 enmity) and Resentment Cape (+2 enmity) at the moment at 40, as soon as I hit 43 I will use the Gothic boots and gloves for extra +4 enmity and thinking of using Mermaid Ring for another 2 enmity on top over a VIT ring (isn't much ring choice other than VIT til Hercules), is that too much enmity? As sometimes I still lose hate when PT with trigger happy SAMs, can get hate back but I rather not lose them in the first place ^^;
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#2 Mar 07 2009 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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Obligatory (and in now way self-promoting) link to the being built DD PLD guide. Defense and vitality are relics of a bygone age. We get enough of it with DD gear, for the most part, that you'll notice little impact on the party. And kill speed will increase.

Keep in mind, I'm still working on the guide, but the EQ section will do you right.
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#3 Mar 07 2009 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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BTW Lv40 and current gear:

Weapon: Grudge Sword
Shield: Jennet Shield
Ammo: Fortune Egg
Head: Empress Hairpin at the moment but deciding on IM Armlet or Voyager Sallet
Neck: Medieval Collar
Ear1: Buckler Earring
Ear2: Mercenary Earring
Body: RS Chainmail
Hand: Kampfhentzes (but will be using Gothic Gauntlets soon
Ring1: Verve Ring
Ring2: Rajas Ring (yeah I know >.< will be using Mermaid when I hit 43)
Back: Resentment Cape
Waist: Dash Sash
Legs: Eisendiechlings
Feet: Kampfschuhs (and again will be using Gothic at 43)

Edited, Mar 7th 2009 9:21am by crissagrym

Edited, Mar 7th 2009 9:21am by crissagrym
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#4 Mar 07 2009 at 9:28 AM Rating: Good
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crissagrym wrote:
BTW Lv40 and current gear:

Weapon: Grudge Sword
Shield: Jennet Shield
Ammo: Fortune Egg
Head: Empress Hairpin at the moment but deciding on IM Armlet or Voyager Sallet - Voyager Sallet
Neck: Medieval Collar - Spike Necklace or PCC. No room for the collar.
Ear1: Buckler Earring - Good choice.
Ear2: Mercenary Earring - Beetle Earring +1
Body: RS Chainmail
Hand: Kampfhentzes (but will be using Gothic Gauntlets soon - Royal Squire's Mufflers
Ring1: Verve Ring - Ditch this asap. Woodsman or Snipers
Ring2: Rajas Ring (yeah I know >.< will be using Mermaid when I hit 43) - Merman's only during cures and job abilities; second woodsman/snipers here
Back: Resentment Cape - High Breath Mantle til Amemet +1
Waist: Dash Sash
Legs: Eisendiechlings - Macro only. Get a Haste Belt if you can. Or use Barbarian's Belt
Feet: Kampfschuhs (and again will be using Gothic at 43)
- If you have them, Mountain Gaiters would be better. If not, these'll last til Gothic/AF


You're playing an older style of PLD. DD PLD really is the way to go, and you're really on the cusp of when it starts getting good. Again, take a look at the guide I linked. I'm still working on it, though, so it's a work in progress.
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#5 Mar 07 2009 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanx very much.

I was debating buying a PCC for my BLU or not but if it helps PLD also (didnt thought I would be using PCC as PLD), it kinda give me a better reason to invest in one.

I'll keep some of the enmity gear for macro purpose then, main is RDM so I am used to macro-ing spell related gear :D

Thanx for the advise I will look into those when I log in :)
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#6 Mar 07 2009 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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There's a lot of reading already in the guide I've posted, but everything there should be accurate (now...). I'll always advocate DD PLD. It changed the job for me. Before, it was about sitting there and taking hits. Now, I contribute to the deaths of the mobs.
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#7 Mar 07 2009 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
I actually used the gothic set till af feet, partly because it was such a pain to get, partly because the alternatives aren't too great, partly because I honestly think the 5 atk, 3 dex, 3 str, and damage from ice spikes WAS better than using the other DD options especially when you consider they have enm on them too, but mainly they are badass.


But yeah I went DD pld 14-59 (my current level) and it has gone really well and been very fun. BTW I highly reccomend crab sushi for food, you NEED the ACC even with the sushi I never parsed above 72% ACC and crab sushi is the price of mithkabobs on my server lol.

BTW DD pld looks sexy imo, love the way hauby looks with AF feet, R.K legs, fourth gauntlets you still look like a pld, but your doing damage too! =P
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#8 Mar 07 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Since I didn't start DD PLD until the 50's, I didn't get to play with food at the lower levels. Once I did start gearing for DD, I used Dorado as my bread and butter. I liked the accuracy AND the enmity on it. The VIT doesn't hurt, but it wasn't even a factor.
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#9 Mar 07 2009 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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#10 Mar 07 2009 at 12:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd use the Gothic stuff until level 52, where you get AF foots. AF boots are the staple of PLD in experience parties, and they should be used fulltime if you have shield equipped. Paired with a Buckler Earring, you actually block like if you were 2 levels higher, so it does wonders for killing lowIT-VT mobs, much more than any VIT and Def can offer.

The Gothic stuff is great to have only if you have both equipped, the Ice Spikes seem to proc. quite often, and on Ninja at least it has saved my ass a couple times.

Since PLD has the evasion of a brick in the ocean, consider putting Beetle/Spike/w/e+att earring paired with Buckler, a couple woodsman's and a PCC (getting more hits in = more CE Enmity), life belt (macro Swift for Flash), and eat Dorado Sushi (don't do it on birds though, with these spam crab sushi). That Takes care of the +Shield and the +acc. At this point I'd just stack whatever +enmity, +attack and +HP you can equip. Hauby is god in the form of armor, but makes mobs not miss you when you use Flash. Also, use Berserk to WS, pop defender, build 100%TP, drop defender and WS and then cancel Berserk)

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#11 Mar 07 2009 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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Cigarman wrote:
Hauby is god in the form of armor, but makes mobs not miss you when you use Flash.


PLDs don't evade. Mobs miss. Our evasion stat is low enough that the Hauby doesn't really hurt us that much at all.
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#12 Mar 07 2009 at 1:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Cigarman wrote:


Since PLD has the evasion of a brick in the ocean, consider putting Beetle/Spike/w/e+att earring paired with Buckler, a couple woodsman's and a PCC (getting more hits in = more CE Enmity), life belt (macro Swift for Flash), and eat Dorado Sushi (don't do it on birds though, with these spam crab sushi). That Takes care of the +Shield and the +acc. At this point I'd just stack whatever +enmity, +attack and +HP you can equip. Hauby is god in the form of armor, but makes mobs not miss you when you use Flash. Also, use Berserk to WS, pop defender, build 100%TP, drop defender and WS and then cancel Berserk)



These 2 sentences in the same paragraph make a lot of sense!

Edited, Mar 7th 2009 3:24pm by Asdrabael
#13 Mar 07 2009 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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BTW DD pld looks sexy imo, love the way hauby looks with AF feet, R.K legs, fourth gauntlets you still look like a pld, but your doing damage too! =P

My pld looks almost exactly the same as my drk... kind of sad, really.
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#14 Mar 07 2009 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
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The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
R.K legs


God I hate the way these look. Wtf is wrong with you? Smiley: tongue
#15 Mar 07 2009 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
Siralin the Vile wrote:
The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
R.K legs


God I hate the way these look. Wtf is wrong with you? Smiley: tongue
They're just chainmail legs, go good with any heavy armor XD


Also I used luisant haub till jaradia, then SH, then haub




Never evaded even with SH, still got hit a few times while mob was flashed even in SH. The mob just gets lucky sometimes, but when you have haub on you have something to blame it on >_>
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#16 Mar 07 2009 at 10:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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To slightly rerail away from the RK legs fashion derail (personally, I love em with my hauby, but they're butt ugly with lolharness), if you're planning on doing any events with pld, dont ditch the turtle/enmity stuff completely. Kampf in particular is absolutely wonderful for, say, helping other people get through CoP (obviously not yourself, I see the Nasheira in the sig). But for xp, yeah, what they said :)

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PS Only advice I can possibly add is the consideration of the spartan hoplon. iirc, rotating 3 of them keeps the phalanx effect up at all times (just switch out after a ws or whenever). I know, I know, not size 3 gtfo blah blah blah, but it will block more, which will allow more frequent ws's, and, when I used them before I quit, I found that as long as the enchantment was kept up, it worked out pretty well on damage reduction when compared with a size 3.


PPS Qualifier on above statement. Hoplon used mainly while fighting birds in Terrigan, pre-shield mastery update, pre ToAU, post original shield update.
#17 Mar 07 2009 at 11:35 PM Rating: Good
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The only time I used hoplons was the ONE time I went PLD to the airship battle. In XP, I found it too cumbersome to keep up. And, I really don't think it'll be better than size 3's these days. I could be wrong on that count, though.
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#18 Mar 07 2009 at 11:57 PM Rating: Good
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The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
Siralin the Vile wrote:
The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
R.K legs


God I hate the way these look. Wtf is wrong with you? Smiley: tongue
They're just chainmail legs, go good with any heavy armor XD


Haaaate tight pants like that. Even on mithra. Baggy pants or gtfo!

Oh wait you don't have Homam pants, Sara. Smiley: sly
#19 Mar 08 2009 at 1:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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Drac said:
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The only time I used hoplons was the ONE time I went PLD to the airship battle


O_O I was so busy during that that I couldn't possibly have remembered to swap out my shield and use another enchantment, unless you're referring to lolMammets at the start, as that would've been an outstanding idea.


Drac also said:
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In XP, I found it too cumbersome to keep up. And, I really don't think it'll be better than size 3's these days


Possible Clarification:

Not really saying it's better than a size 3, at least not in the damage reduction department. More that the phalanx enchantment allows the hoplon to come up to roughly on par. My point was that it's possible (and I haven't the foggiest on how to run the numbers on this) to shave off a hit or two to 100 tp by using the smaller shield. possible. I think. I could be wrong


Also, if one were to be having trouble keeping shield capped for whatever reason, size 2 helps with that


{Hmmm} Perhaps chalk this up to personal preference?



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PS Nice progress on your blu Drac :)

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Oh wait you don't have Homam pants, Sara. Smiley: sly


Siralin, I thought you only .dat swapped your subligars to homam :-p

Edited, Mar 8th 2009 4:33am by CwellThor
#20 Mar 08 2009 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
Siralin the Vile wrote:
The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
Siralin the Vile wrote:
The SillyXSara of Doom wrote:
R.K legs


God I hate the way these look. Wtf is wrong with you? Smiley: tongue
They're just chainmail legs, go good with any heavy armor XD


Haaaate tight pants like that. Even on mithra. Baggy pants or gtfo!

Oh wait you don't have Homam pants, Sara. Smiley: sly
Cut j00!
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#21 Mar 08 2009 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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CwellThor wrote:
Siralin wrote:
Oh wait you don't have Homam pants, Sara. Smiley: sly


Siralin, I thought you only .dat swapped your subligars to homam :-p


I actually have Homam pants. Smiley: nod
#22 Mar 08 2009 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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CwellThor wrote:
Drac said:
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The only time I used hoplons was the ONE time I went PLD to the airship battle


O_O I was so busy during that that I couldn't possibly have remembered to swap out my shield and use another enchantment, unless you're referring to lolMammets at the start, as that would've been an outstanding idea.


Actually, I used it on Omega. I only ended up using one enchantment on the lolMammets. Again, though, we only used the strategy for one run. And, due to moronical DDs (wouldn't put shadows up EVER and stayed in close on Omega) and a freak occurrence, we didn't get to Ultima the one time I went PLD.

Said freak occurrence STILL pisses me off to this day. We wipe on Omega at 15%. Reraise, buff, get ready to go. I open the fight by flashing Omega. He instantly readies Pile Driver. I'm still at casting distance, so I figure, "No biggie." The RDM slows him. He then runs in, Pile Drives me, and double attacks. I KNOW the slow went first because he was still far enough away when the message landed. AND a CCB was used before he closed to range, as well. So, I don't know the hows or the whys, but Omega basically said, "F U, DRAC!" and we were done for.


CwellThor wrote:
Drac also said:
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In XP, I found it too cumbersome to keep up. And, I really don't think it'll be better than size 3's these days


Possible Clarification:

Not really saying it's better than a size 3, at least not in the damage reduction department. More that the phalanx enchantment allows the hoplon to come up to roughly on par. My point was that it's possible (and I haven't the foggiest on how to run the numbers on this) to shave off a hit or two to 100 tp by using the smaller shield. possible. I think. I could be wrong


Also, if one were to be having trouble keeping shield capped for whatever reason, size 2 helps with that


{Hmmm} Perhaps chalk this up to personal preference?


Perhaps. Again, I don't want to spend the time running the numbers right now, but I think the Size 3 in this day and age will still pull ahead. I think you've got a valid point about phalanx helping, but I don't think the difference is sufficient to make it worthwhile, personally. If someone WANTS to do that, though, feel free. I wouldn't hold it against them.


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#23 Mar 10 2009 at 2:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I sometimes use Flash as a breathing room spell aside from hate generator, and with the Surcoat on, mobs rarely hit you unless you have quite a bit of -eva. Actually, in the early levels you get Flash, it's almost a guaranteed miss for mobs for 3 rounds. Hauby makes the mobs not miss, ever (well, low 5% cap), which can be dangerous if you casted Flash as breathing room tool.
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#24 Mar 10 2009 at 6:52 AM Rating: Good
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If you need the breathing room, you're probably over camping and the surcoat might MIGHT be slightly better than the Hauby. I'd suggest waiting a level or two before trying the camp again.

Honestly, I was so enamored with DD PLD that I never even got my Surcoat til I was 75 already. I never needed Flash as a breather spell - it was just a tool in my arsenal. And, even with the Hauby and Woodsman rings, I didn't feel like I was getting hit too often with Flash on. I could go look at the parses, but given that they don't distinguish between misses when flashed and misses when not flashed, I'd have to look at the particular portions in the text, and that'd take a while.
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#25 Mar 11 2009 at 9:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Not really overcamping. I'm Tarutaru, so if my Healer isn't quick enough, I might die with unfortunate crits or DA's after moves like Pecking Flurry, Sickle Slash, Death Scissors, etc. A well timed flash after those helps your healer to catch up, or you to cure yourself, which is useless if you are getting your ass handed to you even when mob is flashed.

If you are galka and the move only took 30% of your HP, well I can understand to fulltime Hauby and just use flash for enmity gain, but as taru and on the situations I just said, I'll just swap out Hauby and other pieces with -eva to stay alive, because you can't DD if you're dead.

Edited, Mar 12th 2009 12:16am by Cigarman
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Being Elvaan, I've not seen that problem much myself. But, on the mobs you mentioned: Spiders in the later levels aren't worth XP'ing on without specific setups, in my opinion. Sickle Slash just does bad things when you've got DD gear on. And, colibri/puks/mamool are far better for XP, anyway. Same goes for Scorpions.

Colibri... Yes, pecking flurry can hurt. But, I never dropped that low on it. PLD has a lot of tricks up its sleeves for breathers, and this is just one of them.

I should note that I didn't even have my Surcoat til I was 75. Full timed Hauby +1 the whole way through and fought all sorts of mobs. I didn't find later level Spiders or Scorps to be worth the hassle.

Again, I'll give it that if you're using Flash as a breather spell, you ARE probably over camping. That doesn't mean that swapping out of Hauby is a bad thing (just because I never did it doesn't mean I don't see the value in doing it). You're more aware of what your party is going through than I am, after all, and without frapsing/parses, it doesn't do that much good, anyway.
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#27 Mar 13 2009 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Since most the response I get from VIT is lolVIT.

Is Koenig Body worth getting then? For the Def (10 more Def than Valor) and HP?
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#28 Mar 13 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Since most the response I get from VIT is lolVIT.

Is Koenig Body worth getting then? For the Def (10 more Def than Valor) and HP?


I don't have time to do the math, but iirc Koenig will reduce your damage by ~4-5 on a level ~85 mob, and slightly more on a level ~90 mob.

I could be off, I'm sorry, I can't do the math right now, but basically it doesn't offer much damage mitigation. Could be used in a "oh sh*t" macro though.
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