Tanking with DD Gear - A GuideFollow

you can add Trance Belt to the enmity build lvl 72 enmity +4

Assault Earring.

Also FYI, Toreador's Cape has a hidden effect of increased critical hits taken wiki cites it as much as up to 40%

I haven't read every single piece of information on the guide, but I did notice you added in shields for emnity. Should be noted that the shield should be full-timed since macroing them causes you to lose TP.

i hate typing. you deserve a trophy of some sort just for all that effort you put forth in typing.

we should lobby for an official "dracoth the mad typer" holiday in vana diel.

i bet you have stubby, knarled up finger tips.

My fingers are far from gnarly. I've grown up with a computer strapped to my fingers for as long as I can remember. Try typing a dissertation - this thing is SHORT compared to my usual typing.



It's been shown in other forums (MNK and WAR come to mind, but I'm not finding any threads atm) that the attack boost is actually significantly more beneficial at those levels until you can start stacking more Accuracy to make Accuracy food more worthwhile.

Specifically, compare the following setups:

Spike Necklace vs. Tiger Stole.

Main difference: Spike Necklace has 122 Attack and 87 Accuracy vs. Tiger Stole's 125 Attack and 85 Accuracy. Two accuracy is a 2.35% increase going from 85 to 87. 122 Attack to 125 Attack is a 2.46% increase. Technically, according to the math, the Tiger Stole wins. And it will continue to win for quite a while, hence the note I left. Does it win by enough? That's up to the individual to decide. I'm leaving it as is, as it does show the technical increases. The 175 discussion can be found, again, in other threads that I'm not finding with my brief glancing. I'm sure someone else can point them out, though.

Found what I was looking at, and, yes, I'm aware of fSTR, Shinta. You successfully proved it to me before. I'm specifically looking at the Warrior's Arsenal and this commentary underneath Spike Necklace and Tiger Stole:



This was before ALL the information about damage dealing was done, however, as this is one of the earlier posts on the subject I've seen. Since our understanding has improved since then.

Edit: Fixed quote tag

Edited, Jun 25th 2009 7:40pm by Dracoth

Huge necrobump, but my mind has been drawn back to this again. It really deserves to be finished. However, in direct reply to myself from two posts up, given other discussions, I decided to crunch some numbers. Specifically, I'm reworking the math that shows when Tiger Stole beats out Spike Necklace from the PLD's point of view.

This begins with milich's math. X is our current attack value. Y is the percent increase necessary to beat out Spike Necklace. All calculations assume that the mob is 7 levels higher, as per milich's original math.

[((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35)-(X/(X/1.25)-.35)]/(X/(X/1.25)-.35) = Y 
(X/(X/1.25)-.35)=(X/X)*1.25-.35)=.9 
[((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35)-.9]/.9 = Y 
((X+5)/(X/1.25)-.35)-.9 = .9Y 
(X+5)*1.25/(X)-.35-.9=.9Y 
(1.25X+6.25)/X-1.25=.9Y 
1.25X+6.25-1.25X=.9XY 
6.25=.9XY 
6.25/.9Y=X 
X=6.94444/Y 

Using the final equation, it's easy to see the Attack needed for the percentages being equal.

A note on percent increase:

I calculated the Spike Necklace as the following:

fSTR % increase for Base Damage is 1/starting Damage.

Accuracy was calculated using 3 DEX * .5 = 1.5 * .5 again to get the hitrate increase. This will account for the average case between getting two extra Accuracy vs. one extra Accuracy based on current Dex. % increase is then calculated by taking this value and dividing it by some base accuracy.

Summing these together gives the best case % increase for the Spike Necklace - this value is the Y value in the equation.

So, without further ado, here's the results.

First, the case (25%) where fSTR doesn't increase base damage.

Accuracy    Y       X 
50         1.5     463 
60         1.2     556 
70         1.1     648 
80         0.9     741 
90         0.8     833 
95         0.0     999 

Base Damage    Accuracy    Y       X 
15                50      8.2     085 
                  60      7.9     088 
                  70      7.7     090 
                  80      7.6     091 
                  90      7.5     093 
 
16                50      7.7     090 
                  60      7.5     093 
                  70      7.3     095 
                  80      7.2     097 
                  90      7.1     098 
 
17                50      7.4     094 
                  60      7.1     097 
                  70      7.0     100 
                  80      6.8     102 
                  90      6.7     103 
 
18                50      7.1     098 
                  60      6.8     102 
                  70      6.6     105 
                  80      6.5     107 
                  90      6.4     109 
 
19                50      6.8     103 
                  60      6.5     107 
                  70      6.3     110 
                  80      6.2     112 
                  90      6.1     114 
 
20                50      6.5     107 
                  60      6.2     111 
                  70      6.1     114 
                  80      6.9     117 
                  90      5.8     119

So, a few notes.

First note: The 175 rule is VASTLY out of date for PLD (and is what I think Shintasama was pointing at earlier). This is mostly due to the effect that in the formula, the attack needed to overcome the % increase of the +STR/+DEX is inversely proportional that % increase. I have a hunch (I'll check it when I'm less tired) that this fact will be independent of mob level - the only thing that will change it is mob defense (and thus, the constant of proportionality), not the level correction which appears to normalize out of the formula.

Second note: Two handers get a different formula from one-handers, so the general rule shouldn't have been applied like it was by myself.

Third note: The higher the base damage the weapon, the more attack is needed to overcome the smaller increase from fSTR. As better swords become equipped, it's necessary to reevaluate.

Fourth note: As of this writing, it finally donned on me that we're also neglecting the attack boost from the spike necklace as well. Since that will only increase Y, it will only FURTHER decrease the attack at which Spike Necklace is useful.

It looks like, as a general rule, the lower your base damage is, the sooner you should put on the spike necklace. PLD is probably in the portion where we're quickly going to break into it. IMO, it's probably in the low hundreds.

Edited, Dec 4th 2009 12:27am by Dracoth