482 I hate youFollow

Dam freaking horrible delay. Had a discussion with a budy I was of the opinion that its not worth it to 5 hit outside of Abyssea because you would give up too much and inside (where the stat bonuses are less important due to atmas cruor buffs) you would have regain anyway.

Ok so as alot of you know to 5 hit the dam thing you have to Stp 53. (assumes 2 hit ws, no tp from getting hit or atma) Which means your going to have to gimp both tp gear and ws. Frankly, I am still on the fence if this is even worth it because even gimping your dmg to not pull hate the odds of a well geared war not getting hit once are low.

Ok

6 Hit is cake 27 stp

Stp normal decent tp gear.

15 /sam
8 body
5 rajas
5 g belt
1 brutal

34 which is overkill and lets you do a few swaps for WS (and you can swap belt for higher haste belt and still WS in a better belt)

Interestingly if you add Rose and TP in tactical you get a 5 hit with 2 ticks of VV or 1 tick and getting hit once. Which is what I think I am going to stick too.

Now lets go for 53... need 19 more

4 Rose - lose 2% DA (or 3% Crit goign to use DA as an example)
1 Earing - lose 3 att and 1 DA
6 Tactical - lose 35 attack (-15 +20) and 3 DA
2 white - Lose 3 Str 8 Attack
4 Ring - lose 11 str (-4 +7) and 2 Acc
2 Neck - lose 3 str 2 DA

(or change some of the above for 6 Food but you would lose 90 attack (assumes you would have used curry))

Now those stats in abyssea are no big deal, but outside?

5 hit vrs 8% DA 16 Str 54 Attack 2 Acc

What do you guys think 5 hit worth it?

Inside you can just assume 2 ticks of VV for 5 hit, outside it gets abit tricky. As it stands I can't think of any mob outside that's highly evasive at 90 that anyone is going to regularly fight (mainly because no one regularly fights anything of difficulty outside but I digress) so for old content 5 hit is going to win. Assuming accuracy isn't an issue and WS is tweaked for dDex (hollow/jupiter earring, byakko's, ravager+2 hands, hecatomb feet) using Kine's sheet 5 hit is still winning outside in overall damage.

Of course, this is for a true 5 hit, unless you revert back to fulltime seigan/never get hit, you can probably get away with a pseudo 5 hit.

Edited, Feb 8th 2011 10:09am by Neisan

Seems I miscalculated 5 hit with Ukon for outside Abyssea (forgot to add Carbonara...) Don't need Almah Torque for TP or Attila's for WS, Chivalrous for TP with Ravager's Earring for WS and assuming initial hit+1 extra hit lands (which will occur roughly 95% of the time unless accuracy is really bad) is enough to 5 hit Ukon along with Goading/Rajas/Brutal/White Tath/Tactical/Af3+2 Body.

Edited, Feb 20th 2011 11:35am by Neisan

At the moment, I tout this setup for Abyssea with VV:

WAR TP:
Ukon/Rose/___/White Tathlum
Zelus/AF3/AF3/Brutal
AF3+2/Perle/Hoard/Rajas
Tactical/Goading/AF3+2/AF3+2

WAR WS:
Ukon/Rose/___/AF3
AF3+2/Gorget/Vulcan's Pearl/Brutal
Zahak's/Heafoc/Pyrosoul/Rajas
Atheling/ele Belt/Hachiryu/AF3+2

Subbing Atlas +2 for Ukon works, and you can drop a little STP thanks to Raging Rush.

Also, you'll land at least one extra hit on Ukon more than 95% of the time thanks to Double/Triple Attack.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2011 6:08pm by Byrthnoth

It depends on Haste level. Also, I don't have Zelus Tiara. That's just the build that I advocate for WARs. I personally use Turban and Dusk +1.