Ravager Set+2 What exactly does it do?Follow

Hello, I'm sorry if this topic has been raised before but I would really like to know if anyone knows what the proc rate is with a full 5/5 set? Ive been trying to search via Google, and all I found was one person on FFXI-AH who parsed a 4/5 Set at roughly 4% Proc rate. His Sample size was rather small (1200~ swings, 370~ Double Attacks) but it was enough to get the Idea it looks like. But is SE hiding the full benefit of an Armor set until the full 5/5 is worn? I'm really hoping I dont complete this set to be sorely disappointed :( Do any WARs out there have the full +2 set? Or does anyone have any answers to my question? Thank you for your time.

ah, thank you very much.

I think the 8% haste is gonna beat the extra DA.

The reason i think it will is this.

Taken from The Warrior Index:




If im not mistaken there used to be alot of discussion on the Haste VS DA topic around here including alot of math from Pahn supporting the above statement by KwileyStyle.

Id look it up... but im lazy.

His understanding of what diminishing returns means is wrong.

Going from 0% DA to 10% DA is 110 - 100 = 10 increase.
Going from 10% DA to 20% DA is 120 - 110 = 10 increase.
Going from 20% DA to 30% DA is 120 - 110 = 10 increase.

The amount of damage gained by each addition to DA is constant. If you graph the damage increase, the points form a straight line. This is linear returns, not diminishing.

This is not to say that the argument of haste being better than DA is wrong. Haste is in fact increasing returns.

Increasing returns > linear returns

Haste > DA

But, there is no amount of DA at which you are getting less benefit by stacking more onto it (unless you've actually hit 100%).

LOL! You have an excellent point.

I'm not even hoping to convince people who have their minds made up. My only concern is the new people who come along and are not yet tainted with misinformation. If the first thing they see is wrong and nobody counters it, they'll just believe it.

FYI, Rog actually admitted he was wrong. It only took like 15 pages.

You know what would be cool? We need a math professor on Alla with the ability to add red pen comments to all the math posts on here.

That would involve DA beating Haste which would be dividing by zero :/

god, do NOT start the @#%^ing double attack is not diminishing returns bullsh*t again. That's been done to death and back to many times already.

However, when one is considering haste vs DA one also has to consider the net over all gain of double damage procs on DA vs haste, and whether or not you're actually getting enough haste in a given situation for the haste to win out. Not everyone is going to be doing every event with Haste and double march. I sure as hell don't. Between preoccupied/lazy whms, and utter lack of bards, I know a lot of people don't play under high haste scenarios 90% of the time, so it's not really realistic to assume haste is ALWAYS better, given that at -just- gear haste cap, Turban vs Ravager's Mask +1 is really close, and from my experience, leans towards ravager's.



For the record, the thread you're referencing wasn't the first Diminishing returns argument thread. iirc, Rog wasn't involved in the first one at all.

Edited, Jan 27th 2011 5:53am by Jinte

um..... 5/5, Atma of the Sea Daughter, and Blitz Ring?

The set bonus does not add double attack it augments DA. The augment is x2 damage chance on a DA round. 5/5 gives you a 5% chance of double damage.

LOL making DA increasing returns. (by such a minuscule amount it isn't worth debating)

This is how diminishing returns work,

110/100 = 1.10 10% gain,
120/110 = 1.09 9% gain,
130/120 = 1.083 8.3% gain,
140/130 = 1.076 7.6% gain

See a pattern, as each unit of DA is added the percentage gain gets smaller and smaller.

Good luck getting Saevel to stop...

No offense but a lot of people have no clue what diminishing returns even means.

If you have 10 DA as a base:

1) If you add +10 DA do you gain 10% in the chance to DA (does it go from 10% to 20%)?
2) Do you gain less then 10% chance to DA (Does it go from 10% to any number less then 20)?


If its 1, its linear, if its 2 its diminishing.

You MUST MUST MUST measure the return with constant units. IE for every 10% DA you add, do you see a 10% increase in the rate of DA?
You dont measure it as
10->20% (increase of x2)
20->30 (increase of 1.5)


Go look it up in wiki or take an economics class, but that is such terrible information.

Calm down, bronies.

I'm honestly wondering from where you pulling those numbers...
You definitely don't realize the impact your misinformation, voluntary or not doesnot matter, has on the following posts...

For the OP, I recently made also a parsing test for 4/5 ravager+2 set bonus, posted on same FFXIAH.com thread.
Numbers comes more closer to :
1 piece : 0%
2 pieces: 1%
3 pieces: 2%
4 pieces: 3%
5 pieces: 5% ?
...from 33% double attack total.

... pretty much like all other set+2 bonuses based on a random event.

Most important thing to insist on is :
Those % values are based ON A RANDOM EVENT (here double attacks), so if you asking for the real total %, have to calculate with total #hits+crits+misses (and not only the # of random events, here DAs only).
Obviously the final results will come out lot lower than 5%...

Additional note: that makes WAR set+2 much less appealing than a mixed gears set, same for other AF3+2 setss based on a random event. On other hand, AF3 sets like PLD's or BLU's arenot based on a random event but on a "controlled" event (1st is how much mob hits you -usually 95% of the time- and 2nd is how much you hit your spell macros), easy to guess overall % will be much higher than WAR's.

Edited, Mar 17th 2011 11:33am by Masamunai