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#1 Dec 02 2010 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
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Hi, I'm Hex. You might remember me as the author of classic DRK Forum threads, such as "Just Got Quietus".

Anyway I finished Maschu +1 tonight and got Ukko's Fury. Earlier this evening I also got Razed Ruin. The two together are BEAST MODE, which I'm sure some of you knew. As FFXIclopedia points out, this WS is basically a 2 hit version of King's Justice (STR 50%, also both use Breeze Gorget), that can crit. Also inflicts Slow on it's target, which kinda isn't relevant because it tends to murder anything it hits. Allow me to demonstrate:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF1.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF2.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF3.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF4.png

4.2k-4.9k, no outside buffs aside from Voracious Violet and Razed Ruins. If you don't have this GA yet, get it ASAP.
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Hexagram wrote:
Hi, I'm Hex. You might remember me as the author of classic DRK Forum threads, such as "Just Got Quietus".

Anyway I finished Maschu +1 tonight and got Ukko's Fury. Earlier this evening I also got Razed Ruin. The two together are BEAST MODE, which I'm sure some of you knew. As FFXIclopedia points out, this WS is basically a 2 hit version of King's Justice (STR 50%, also both use Breeze Gorget), that can crit. Also inflicts Slow on it's target, which kinda isn't relevant because it tends to murder anything it hits. Allow me to demonstrate:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF1.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF2.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF3.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF4.png

4.2k-4.9k, no outside buffs aside from Voracious Violet and Razed Ruins. If you don't have this GA yet, get it ASAP.


but how does it fair outside of abyssea?
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I am going for this next after i fnish my PDT Gax which I am puting together just for certain low man events and FC burn.

I have been waiting for 90 so i can solo all the trials on War.

Outside of WoE how long does it take? Assume I can devote 30 mins to 1 hour a day.

Could i do it in a month?

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 9:59am by Tyleron
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Drop PDT get a damaging Gaxe because you want to kill faster. FC burn typically uses Alexander/Fana drinks anyway, or a whm who can simply outcure the damage. For solo I might consider PDT GAxe but Atm my trials are tied up on staves :/

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Lady Jinte wrote:


but how does it fair outside of abyssea?


It's hands down the best WS WAR can get, and easily out damages Raging Rush and King's Justice outside of Abyssea. We are doing Dynamis-Buburimi tomorrow night, I'll try to remember to take some pics.
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Kill mobs 20% faster, take 20% less damage, natch.


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Since someone asked about damage outside of Abyssea....

We just did Dynamis-Buburimu and I took a few pics. This isn't "the best!" pics, this is typical damage on a handful of mobs. I just WSed and took the pic:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy1.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy2.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy3.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy4.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy5.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy6.png
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http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy8.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy9.png

For those of you that don't feel like clicking the links, 1655-2855. And it never dipped below 1600....actually not only did it not hit below 1600, it broke 2000+ about 90% of the time. No outside buffs, no 2 hour, no COR, BRD, etc. Just Berserk and Yellow Curry, +60 STR in WS gear.

Edited, Dec 4th 2010 10:24pm by Hexagram
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Hexagram wrote:
Since someone asked about damage outside of Abyssea....

We just did Dynamis-Buburimu and I took a few pics. This isn't "the best!" pics, this is typical damage on a handful of mobs. I just WSed and took the pic:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy1.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy2.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy3.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy4.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy5.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy6.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy7.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy8.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/dy9.png

For those of you that don't feel like clicking the links, 1655-2855. And it never dipped below 1600....actually not only did it not hit below 1600, it broke 2000+ about 90% of the time. No outside buffs, no 2 hour, no COR, BRD, etc. Just Berserk and Yellow Curry, +60 STR in WS gear.

Edited, Dec 4th 2010 10:24pm by Hexagram
Screenshots are nice and shiny, but if at all possible, a parse comparing RR, KJ, and UF over roughly the same amount of time would be ideal. Anything else is eyeballing.
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I dont have it yet but i will. Been doing WOE with a war that has it. its rediculus. Its also the best looking animation of any WS imo it literally looks like you smashing a crater into the ground.
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Lady Jinte wrote:
Screenshots are nice and shiny, but if at all possible, a parse comparing RR, KJ, and UF over roughly the same amount of time would be ideal. Anything else is eyeballing.


Uh....I understand people's obsession with parsers and the need to prove everything with facts but RR and KJ obviously don't average anywhere near the numbers I posted. I mean, can you as a WAR pull off 2k-2.9k WSs every time....not highs, I'm talking literally every WS....with either KJ or RR, with no outside buffs? No....no one can.

If I can get a parser to work on this computer I'll run some tests but this WS is obviously 100x better than either RR or KJ.
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Hexagram wrote:
Lady Jinte wrote:
Screenshots are nice and shiny, but if at all possible, a parse comparing RR, KJ, and UF over roughly the same amount of time would be ideal. Anything else is eyeballing.


Uh....I understand people's obsession with parsers and the need to prove everything with facts but RR and KJ obviously don't average anywhere near the numbers I posted. I mean, can you as a WAR pull off 2k-2.9k WSs every time....not highs, I'm talking literally every WS....with either KJ or RR, with no outside buffs? No....no one can.

If I can get a parser to work on this computer I'll run some tests but this WS is obviously 100x better than either RR or KJ.
Parser's give a more detailed explanation of why it's better, and by how much.
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Hi, I'm Hex. You might remember me as the author of classic DRK Forum threads, such as "Just Got Quietus".

Anyway I finished Maschu +1 tonight and got Ukko's Fury. Earlier this evening I also got Razed Ruin. The two together are BEAST MODE, which I'm sure some of you knew. As FFXIclopedia points out, this WS is basically a 2 hit version of King's Justice (STR 50%, also both use Breeze Gorget), that can crit. Also inflicts Slow on it's target, which kinda isn't relevant because it tends to murder anything it hits. Allow me to demonstrate:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF1.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF2.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF3.png
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f400/hexagramFFXI/UF4.png

4.2k-4.9k, no outside buffs aside from Voracious Violet and Razed Ruins. If you don't have this GA yet, get it ASAP.


i didn't read any of your post past the first sentence, nor have i read any of "Just Got Quietus", but i rated you up for the first sentence.
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i didn't read any of your post past the first sentence, nor have i read any of "Just Got Quietus", but i rated you up for the first sentence.


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correct me if im wrong, but Ukonvasara would be a better axe with this weapon skill no?
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correct me if im wrong, but Ukonvasara would be a better axe with this weapon skill no?


The WS damage would be more or less the same. A few more base damage isn't going to add much at all to the WS, and the Occ. Deals 2x Damage doesn't proc on the WS. The sole reason to upgrade the Empyrean over the WoE path is the Aftermath....so I'm kinda missing your point.
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Ukon also has an awkward 5 hit, even more so than Bravura.
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Ukon is a much better weapon DPS-wise and WS-wise though. Higher damage, lower delay, OADD of ~30%, 15 STR now, and higher fSTR too if I'm not mistaken. This Maschu can put up high numbers and may well be the second best GAxe in the game, but it's no Ukon.

Edit: 5-hits with Ukon really aren't that hard.

Ukon/Rose/____/White
Turban/AF3/Brutal/Attila
AF3+2/Dusk+1/Hoard/Rajas
Tactical/Goading/AF3+2/AF3+2
26%, 13 TP/hit base, 36 STP from gear/15 from sub/6 from food = 57 STP
32 STP during WS required, minimum of 31 (Rose/Rajas/Brutal/Carb/SAM) possible.

If you add Regain ticks from Voracious Violet, you can safely swap Tactical Mantle to Belenos and Whit Tathlum to Bomb Core to pick up 40 Attack. Alternatively, you could swap Carb to a serious meat.

Sure, Ukon is easier to 5-hit. Corollary is that you get TP slower and WS less frequently. The OADD will more than compensate for the lost Attack, Double Attack, or whatever other stat you think of between the two builds. The benefit of Maschu +2 is that it is massively easier to obtain.

Edited, Dec 8th 2010 5:08pm by Byrthnoth
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Ukon is a much better weapon DPS-wise and WS-wise though. Higher damage, lower delay, OADD of ~30%, 15 STR now, and higher fSTR too if I'm not mistaken. This Maschu can put up high numbers and may well be the second best GAxe in the game, but it's no Ukon.

Edit: 5-hits with Ukon really aren't that hard.

Ukon/Rose/____/White
Turban/AF3/Brutal/Attila
AF3+2/Dusk+1/Hoard/Rajas
Tactical/Goading/AF3+2/AF3+2
26%, 13 TP/hit base, 36 STP from gear/15 from sub/6 from food = 57 STP
32 STP during WS required, minimum of 31 (Rose/Rajas/Brutal/Carb/SAM) possible.

If you add Regain ticks from Voracious Violet, you can safely swap Tactical Mantle to Belenos and Whit Tathlum to Bomb Core to pick up 40 Attack. Alternatively, you could swap Carb to a serious meat.

Sure, Ukon is easier to 5-hit. Corollary is that you get TP slower and WS less frequently. The OADD will more than compensate for the lost Attack, Double Attack, or whatever other stat you think of between the two builds. The benefit of Maschu +2 is that it is massively easier to obtain.

Edited, Dec 8th 2010 5:08pm by Byrthnoth


This thread is about the WS.

DoT, Delay, and the frequency of Occ. Deals 2x Damage on the Empyrean is irrelevant to the topic, that's my point. Also 4 more damage isn't going to add some mindblowing amount of damage to the WS, neither is +15 more STR.

The WS on the Empyrean is exactly the same as the one on the +1 and +2. The WS doesn't magically do a significantly greater amount of damage because it's the Empyrean. Ukon is obviously better than Maschu +2 but that has nothing to do with anything.
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How hard is it to attain the Coins of Glory? Barring those, I could get the Maschu a lot easier than Ukonvasara.
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How hard is it to attain the Coins of Glory? Barring those, I could get the Maschu a lot easier than Ukonvasara.


Not hard, but it is time consuming. Less so now because SE adjusted the drop rates but it's probably nothing you can do in a week or two, unless that's all you do everyday.
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Hexagram wrote:
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How hard is it to attain the Coins of Glory? Barring those, I could get the Maschu a lot easier than Ukonvasara.


Not hard, but it is time consuming. Less so now because SE adjusted the drop rates but it's probably nothing you can do in a week or two, unless that's all you do everyday.


Hex (or anyone) can you ball park how long it would take to get this assume

WoE Sunday nights for 1.5 hour with another 3-4 hours a week devoted to completeing the trials.

Two months?
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Hex (or anyone) can you ball park how long it would take to get this assume

WoE Sunday nights for 1.5 hour with another 3-4 hours a week devoted to completeing the trials.

Two months?


It's hard to put an exact time on it because a lot of variables come into play.

First off, who you are doing WoE with, and will they pass the coins for you? How popular is WoE on your server, and are people going to be crashing your runs to lot coins? What jobs do you have, to place 1-5 if you clear the zone. Do you plan on clearing the zone, or low man farming?

The answers to these questions will weigh heavily on your completion time.
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Every warrior needs to make Maschu +2.

Had mine for 2~ weeks now and my god warrior went from fun to orgasmic. Had Damage spikes on Ukko's of 7760 like of 5-6k too Outside of abyssea was were I first got to test it and doing 3-4k is amazing.

The axe itself is even nice, Doing 500-1k more damage on Kings / Raging Rush.


Got 28 coins of glory in one night of WoE in about 12 runs. Jp pickup groups go all night long just get in zone with flag up. Honestly though most runs were 1-2 coins I got lucky on a chest with 2 glory pouches AND a 3rd pouch won in the pool. That run alone was 24 coins. Then 5 hours later to get the single coin to be 30/30.

I know thread is old but this weapon really changes war into a stronger DD. not that it wasn't already.
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Lv 85 ukko.

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You all make me want one. Question is do I go full or half...

The pace at which I'm throwing out previously great weapons is increasing:

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Hello,

Is WS UF, w/Ukon, in full af3+2(head, hands, body, legs, feet), inside abyssea a bad idea? If so, which would you swap out and for what? I've personally been using RR VV and SA atmas for really nice results. Thanks a lot

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Trade Stout Arm(?) for Apoc/Alpha/Omega if you can (This should be your second choice atma, VV is 3rd choice), Emp body for Grim Cuirass with Zerk down/Zahak's with Zerk up (if you have Perle use that), Trade Emp hands for Heafoc you don't need to WS in them for the Restrain bonus. Even Alkys will beat Emp hands in abyssea honestly.

Edited, Jan 31st 2011 12:50pm by Neisan
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The main reason behind my thinking was the more af3 you have equip the more chance of set bonus procing, but it seems pretty damn low rate even with all 5 equip. So you are saying mask for ws, legs/feet full time or would you use hachiryu legs or hecca+1 feet, and at least keep the set bonus active with 2 pieces equiped? Also Perle over Zahaks if I have access to both or you saying Perle if I dont have access to Zahaks(im guessing Zahaks because more str/dex?).

I'll have to try out 25% TA rate from apoc/A-O atmas tonight when I get home and see if I like it, hard to go away from RR >.<

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Mask for WS, there's nothing wrong with legs fulltime if you don't have hachi and even then it's a wash unless zerk is up (only a little bit ahead iirc), Fulltime feet for critical hit damage increase (easily outperforms heca), for body Zahak's is the superior body, Perle is if you don't have access to Zahak's (Grim is pretty good when Zerk is down, but still abit of a wash if not HQ'd).

For Ukko's Atmas RR/VV/Apoc should be a good choice, A/O in place of VV seems better for raging rush possibly due to more hits TA can proc on/low str mod, Ukko's has a much higher Str mod than Raging so VV is still pretty good for it. VV also helps xhit depending on GA.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2011 12:18am by Neisan
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which gorgets work for UF? breeze and light?
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Breeze and Thunder work for certain, I've been hearing conflicting reports on Light working and don't have one. Light shouldn't work if it's like a relic weaponskill but someone has posted SA>Ukko with light belt was showing a damage increase, so it's possible Empyrean weaponskills are different from Relic WS.

Edited, Feb 2nd 2011 8:03am by Neisan
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For people that have upgraded 85>90 what kind of boost did you get?

I'm getting the impression that the difference is very minor and hardly worth the effort, anyone done it and have any insight?
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For people that have upgraded 85>90 what kind of boost did you get?

I'm getting the impression that the difference is very minor and hardly worth the effort, anyone done it and have any insight?


Unless 85>90 boosts the "occasionally 2x damage" rate, and I doubt it does, no there won't really be a noticeable difference. A few more base damage and +5 or whatever more STR ain't gonna set the world on fire.
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The only real change between the lv. 85 and lv. 90 versions of the weapons is the base damage increase and the increase to the stat associated with it (for Ukonvasara it's STR). There's no hidden boost to the weapon skill damage, no change to the rate or potency of the Aftermath, nothing of that sort.

Edited, Jun 3rd 2011 5:41pm by Vlorsutes
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I have to say the final upgrades are very lazy, almost pointless aside from the status of completing it.

They should of done it more along the lines of, 80=base weapon, 85=WS, 90=aftermath.

Oh well, thx for the replies.
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Orthrus is a lot easier than Glavoid, might as well do em all. Also, who knows what's going to happen to it for 95/99 caps.

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