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#1 Oct 03 2010 at 1:15 PM Rating: Decent
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could there be a point when warrior could be swinging his giant axe as fast as hundred fists?
#2 Oct 03 2010 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Double Soul Voiced Marches, Haste spell, Max Haste gear, Haste Samba, Hasso, Fortitude Axe and Double Attack both going off very often and maybe kind of close.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 1:03pm by lolgaxe
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could there be a point when warrior could be swinging his giant axe as fast as hundred fists?


There are various examples out there of what you can achieve with a load of haste gear. Couldn't see a WAR with Great Axe but I only looked for a couple of minutes.

There are a few with DRK and Great Axe though. Bear in mind that some of these videos were taken before they capped haste at 80%.

Great Axe

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Double Soul Voiced Marches, Haste spell, Max Haste gear, Fortitude Axe and Double Attack both going off very often and maybe kind of close.


Hasso and Haste Samba also, Marches/Haste/Gear won't get you to the current Haste cap.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2010 7:52pm by NCCoda
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killor318 wrote:
could there be a point when warrior could be swinging his giant axe as fast as hundred fists?


Just for the sake of amusement, we'll use Kunlun +1 OA2-3
514 delay, +20% JA haste (Haste Samba + Hasso), +25% Gear Haste, +15% magical haste (spell), +20% magical haste (march x2) = 80% haste
assume brutal, 5/5 DA merits, 15% DA rate
assume OA2-3 is 50/30/20
for sh*ts and giggles, add 11 Blitzers role and a Sword Strap (Delay -15.1%)

Assuming -delay% applies before haste; (514*(1-.151))*(.2) = ~87 delay, 1.333 seconds per attack round

so every 1 1/3 seconds you would swing 1-3 times;

to further play with it, going for sheer volume of attacks, in addition to the above haste, apply retaliation, and assume the following gearset:

Assume the following gearset:
Kunlun +1/Sword Strap/ranged/ammo
Ravager's Mask +2/Ravager's Gorget/Brutal Earring/Earring
Askar Korazin/Timarli Dastanas/Soldier's Ring/Blitz Ring (To guarantee capped haste)
Aesir Mantle/Bullwhip Belt/Ravager's Cuisses +2/Ravager's Calligae +2

And let's say it's darksday, and the soldier's ring is active

thus: Haste+25%, Delay-3%, Double Attack: 32% (Gear + Merits + Native)

Throw an 11 Fighters roll on top of that 11 Blitzer's, and Add in Ifrit's Favor

Total Delay: 87 Double Attack: 68%

so: 87 delay gaxe with 50/30/20 split, the 68% DA only applies to the initial 50, netting a total of 34 extra attacks every 100 attacks,
so in every 100 attacks in this set up, 16 will be single hit, 64 will be 2 hit, and 20 will be 3 hit. Since you're /sam for Hasso, Zanshin will reduce the amount of double attacks the get through, so lets say that instead of /sam, you're something else and using a +haste temp item for the last 10%, and if you really wanted, we can include a berserker's tonic to cap out double attack, making the total attack round split 0/80/20 at 87 delay.

Ok... I don't care how impractical this set up is... I wanna see it in action...
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#6 Oct 04 2010 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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NCCoda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Double Soul Voiced Marches, Haste spell, Max Haste gear, Fortitude Axe and Double Attack both going off very often and maybe kind of close.
Hasso and Haste Samba also, Marches/Haste/Gear won't get you to the current Haste cap.
I ... um ... knew that.

Also: (Didn't/Aren't) Corsair (just get/are getting) a Haste roll? Might as well throw in their Warriors Roll as well.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 1:08pm by lolgaxe
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i would like to see that too. would be sick and almost unreal.

*finger snap*

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 3:35pm by killor318
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I once saw a MNK doing Hundred Fists while a staff was equipped. It looked like he was swinging around a baseball bat.

Closest I've seen on a WAR is in a SV bard rotation on someone who was max haste equipped. It wasn't quite HF territory, but it was more like "swing - pause - swing - pause" where the pauses were significantly shorter than normal.
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lolgaxe wrote:
NCCoda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Double Soul Voiced Marches, Haste spell, Max Haste gear, Fortitude Axe and Double Attack both going off very often and maybe kind of close.
Hasso and Haste Samba also, Marches/Haste/Gear won't get you to the current Haste cap.
I ... um ... knew that.

Also: (Didn't/Aren't) Corsair (just get/are getting) a Haste roll? Might as well throw in their Warriors Roll as well.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 1:08pm by lolgaxe


Double SV March (+40%), Haste (+15%), Max Haste Gear (+25%) = 40 + 40 = 80 = capped haste. You might need hasso or haste samba to snub out any rounding errors, or if your brd isn't able to cap march, but overall, gaxey's right.

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I once saw a MNK doing Hundred Fists while a staff was equipped. It looked like he was swinging around a baseball bat.

Closest I've seen on a WAR is in a SV bard rotation on someone who was max haste equipped. It wasn't quite HF territory, but it was more like "swing - pause - swing - pause" where the pauses were significantly shorter than normal.
To be fair, SV double march + max gear haste is ~65%, and hundred fists is ~75% haste, so if they had haste cast on them, they'd actually have more haste than a monk with just HF
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Magic haste cap is 43%. So you would need SV double march and haste to get 43%. Then add 25% for gear haste is 68% total. That is why you need hasso and haste samba for capped haste.
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#11 Oct 16 2010 at 5:40 PM Rating: Excellent
lolgaxe wrote:
NCCoda wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Double Soul Voiced Marches, Haste spell, Max Haste gear, Fortitude Axe and Double Attack both going off very often and maybe kind of close.
Hasso and Haste Samba also, Marches/Haste/Gear won't get you to the current Haste cap.
I ... um ... knew that.

Also: (Didn't/Aren't) Corsair (just get/are getting) a Haste roll? Might as well throw in their Warriors Roll as well.

Edited, Oct 4th 2010 1:08pm by lolgaxe


It's not an actual Haste roll, but a Weapon Delay reduction roll (as in reduced TP return).
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Magic haste cap is 43%. So you would need SV double march and haste to get 43%.


actually if you used a haste belt, it would get you to the 43% with just marchx2 and haste
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Magic haste cap is 43%. So you would need SV double march and haste to get 43%. Then add 25% for gear haste is 68% total. That is why you need hasso and haste samba for capped haste.
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