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#1 Jul 13 2010 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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Im eventually getting the whole set for PLD as i still don have Homam, so i was thinking about the uses of single pieces for WAR. Thinking i could use some input

Perle Salade (IE: HEAD)

3% Haste (Check the main forum and the wiki), +5 STR, +5 VIT, +7 attack.

Yeah, this one is staying on the MH. Turban is better for TP, Genbu is better for Steel Cyclone, Ohat is better for multi-hits. If i had ever found the reason to actually use my E.Abjuration then this thing could have had a purpose.


Perle Hauberk (BODY)

STR +8 DEX +4 Accuracy +8 Attack+8 "Critical hit rate" +2%

Meh. Hauby still has more acc for tp. 75%chance of adding 1fSTR more than a normal hauby, less acc, same attack.... Its very close. Thats comparing to the normal hauby, +1 is definitely better.


Perle Mouffles (HANDS)

STR +4 DEX +2 Attack +10 Haste +2%

Umm... VS Dusk...

4 STR, 2 DEX, 5 ATK vs 1% haste... If i used a lower damage / faster attacking weapon than a greataxe or was in a job with less native attack i could consider. Right now? Ill keep my dusk. If i had a +1 dusk, i wouldnt even look at this piece.


Perle Brayettes (LEGS)

DEX +5 VIT +5 Accuracy +10 Enmity +2 Haste +2%

Byakko's


Perle Solerets (FEET)

STR +5 DEX +3 Enmity +2 Haste +2%

Aurum is probably better for TP. Currently im using Askar, as i lack Aurum, so these are going in. Heca is better for WS, so im keeping mine, but these are a nice WS pieces for those who dont have it.




The whole set put together is pratically equivalent to what we have. Individual pieces? Some compare well to the old standard, a couple dont.

Considerations i missed?
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#2 Jul 13 2010 at 12:59 PM Rating: Good
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Askar head, Hauby+1, Dusk hand, Byakko, Aurum feet:

DEF +155
STR +10
DEX +28
VIT +4
AGI -5
Attack +22 (29.5 with Str)
Acc +17 (31 with Dex)
Haste +14%

Perle 5/5 pieces:

DEF +179
STR +22
DEX +14
VIT +10
Attack +25 (41.5 with Str)
Acc +18 (25 with Dex)
Crit. +2%
Haste +14%

14 Dex + 6 acc vs 12 Str + 12 atk +2% crit%. Or 10 Dex + 3 acc + 1% haste vs 16 Str + 15 atk +2% crit% if you use Turban instead of Askar head. It seems they are very very close to me. I'm not a mathematician so I'm not too sure about the number crunching for these difference though.

I guess is the closer you are to accuracy cap the stronger perle will be right?

Edited, Jul 13th 2010 3:00pm by Oddwaffle
#3 Jul 13 2010 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Considerations i missed?


I think the main consideration you may not have accounted for is that many WARs will be doing a lot of the same content at 80 as they were at 75. Probably even past that. With 25 more base GAxe (or whatever) skill, we're looking at what, ~22-23 higher base accuracy, so somewhat similar to being 75 with Aggressor up....then there's the time we actually do have Aggressor up on top of that.

Basically, not to say that Accuracy would never be an issue/etc...but to a point, well, it's less of a concern for older content. Gearing the exact same at 80 as we did at 75 wouldn't be optimal for everything, so Perle (or other gear) may fit in well for that - or not, as the case may be.

I think a secondary consideration to make in general for WS gear is that, ideally, you shouldn't need to pile in ACC for WS. All you "should" need to do is keep your accuracy about the same as you have for TP, since ideally you'll already be capping hit rate (obviously not always the case, but ideally).

So, for example, maintaining O-Hat for WS to me wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Not for everything. Not when you could be working with ~48 more base accuracy already (level 80, Aggressor up, etc). The Perle Salade could actually make a good budget KJ headpiece, for example. ATT and STR, just what that WS loves.

'course, the -other- side of the coin is questioning why we'd give up certain things. Like, i've seen people dumping their Unicorn feet like they're goin' out of style. What I'm thinking is, I'm needing the ACC from Aurum less and less. Unicorn are actually looking more attractive - especially at those prices. At the other end, of course, we've got stuff like Blitz ring that people are realizing they can more feasibly use, and thus the price is going up.

At completely capped ACC, Perle Hauberk would also shine more, though I'd also think Askar might be a consideration too. Again, not for everything, but for tuning your gear to events. Obviously, for newer/harder content, more ACC will be needed.

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#4 Jul 14 2010 at 7:44 AM Rating: Decent
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A bigger damage boost isn't from skill but from LCF reductions.

Assuming Lv 90 NM (picked random number out my a$$) vs a Lv 75 you get 15 levels of LCF or.

15 * .05 = -0.75 cRatio and 15 * 4 = -60 accuracy.

Lv 80 would have
10 * .05 = -0.50 cRatio and 10 * 4 = -40 accuracy.

Anyway you look at it that is a pretty hefty boost. But it seems the Abyssea content has a bit more evasion then we're used to. And who fricking knows what kind of "HNM" their gonna introduce, **** some of the VNM's are bad enough as is.
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#5 Jul 17 2010 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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It's kind of a sad fact that for my warrior, the Perle set is indeed better. (I lack Byakko's Haidate atm and at this point in the game I don't think it's worth trying to buy them).

I was using...

W. Turban
Nocturnus Mail
Dusk Gloves
Blitzer Poleyn
Aurum Sabatons

...which was: +12 Str, +13 Dex, +10 Atk, +24 Acc, +13% Haste, +1% Triple Attack.

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Full Perle gives me..... +22 Str, +14 Dex, +25 Atk, +18 Acc, +14% Haste.


Pros: +10 Str, +1 Dex, +15 Atk (+23 w/ Str factored in), +1% Haste, no -movement speed from dusk.

Cons: -6 Acc, -1% Triple Attack.

Conclusion... Full Perle (for me) is better by far, at least until I get better pants.
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If you have no Hadiate, Perle will win. If you find yourself in a party with 4 other DDs, Perle will win. If you refuse to eat the proper food for the given situation, Perle will win. For those of us who like to play the game the right way, keep using your old ****.
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#8 Jul 18 2010 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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It seems to be the norm around here, given the 'typical' buffs that get thrown around in this forum.
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#9 Jul 19 2010 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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I walked into this thread expecting some sort of *** joke.

I am disappoint.
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#10 Jul 20 2010 at 9:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perle Salade (IE: HEAD)

3% Haste (Check the main forum and the wiki), +5 STR, +5 VIT, +7 attack.

Didn't pick this up, but I'd imagine it would be a nice SC piece for those without Genbu's Kabuto/Heca hat

Perle Hauberk (BODY)

STR +8 DEX +4 Accuracy +8 Attack+8 "Critical hit rate" +2%

For me, it bumps me up an fSTR tier, so I use it over hauby. HOWEVER, the best part about this piece, and the real reason I got it; that +22 evasion you get from using this over hauby is amazing. I was actually regularly evading mobs as war/sam in dynamis... it was just awesome (btw, dynamis at 80 is lol, I was getting hit for like, half of what the mobs hit me for at 75)

Perle Mouffles (HANDS)

STR +4 DEX +2 Attack +10 Haste +2%

Dusk are better, but I use these for my RR hands since I don't have heca, and I keep them on hand for those times where I'm DDing but I can't have the -movement from dusk ******* with me, and don't have the patience to use a swap macro.

Perle Brayettes (LEGS)

DEX +5 VIT +5 Accuracy +10 Enmity +2 Haste +2%

More acc than byakko's for both 2h (2 acc) and 1h (5 acc). Better for non-crit multihit ws anyway (not that I can think of any useful ones off the top of my head). I use them for KJ, since I don't have Aurum.


Perle Solerets (FEET)

STR +5 DEX +3 Enmity +2 Haste +2%

1 str shy of Hecafeet, with haste instead of slow. Handy if you need to save inv space, and definitely better than dusk if for no reason other than being able to lose some -movement speed. Although the +4(5) str is +1fSTR, and the 3 dex is an acc boost, if microscopic
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#11 Jul 21 2010 at 5:21 AM Rating: Good
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When I come back I may pick up the Head for WS, at least for RR any way. Other than that I'm still underwhelmed.
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#12 Jul 23 2010 at 4:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, Full Perle isn't all that bad compared to a "Standard" WAR TP set. Said set being: Hauby+1, Byakko's, Dusk, Aurum and Turban.

Full Perle:
Haste+14%
STR+22
DEX+14
ATT+41 (Including STR)
ACC+28 (Including DEX)
Crit+2%

"Standard" Mixed Set:
Haste+15%
STR+6
DEX+24
ATT+26 (Including STR)
ACC+35 (Includign DEX)

Difference: STR+16(4 fSTR), ATT+15 and Crit+2% vs DEX+10, ACC+7 and Haste+1%.

Not doing any actual math, I'd be willing to say Perle is better until you get much higher amounts Haste. And even then, I'm skeptical whether 1% of haste is going to overcome the fSTR boost. ACC+7 isn't going to make or break a build. If ACC is low enough, Pizza is going to be used, so it's almost completely ignorable.

If anything, it has its place in a Rune Chopper build.
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#13 Jul 23 2010 at 8:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Acc +7. I dont know about you, but if im lacking acc that seems like a pretty nice chunk of it. It is the equivalent to one Toreadors.

1% haste is entirely dependant on the other haste you have. It can be OMG AWSUM! or it can be just decent.

4fSTR is fairly big too. It isnt really all that big on a Great Axe, but if you are dual wielding it is quite a bit.


About the pizza comment - Abyssea introduced a fair bit of evasive mobs. 440ish acc gives you about 80% hit rate on frogs, for example. Some mobs have a bit more, some have a bit less, but in general the mobs are much more evasive than the colibri most people are geared for. Even with pizza and a two hander, hitting the cap on some families isnt trivial.
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#14 Jul 23 2010 at 1:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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In regards to the math behind these two sets (assuming they have swift belt as only other haste piece).

The 1% haste difference at different levels of haste:

1) 0% outside haste (getting no support at all)(18% -> 19%) = 1.23% increase
2) 15% outside haste (only haste spell) (33% -> 34%) = 1.52% increase
3) 35% outside haste (haste spell/double march) (53% -> 54%) = 2.17% increase
4) 40% outside haste (haste spell/marches/halftime hasso) (58% -> 59%) = 2.44% increase
5) 45% outside haste (haste spell/marches/fulltime hasso) (63% -> 64%) = 2.86% increase
6) 50% outside haste (haste/marches/halftime hasso/10%samba) (68% -> 69%) = 3.23% increase
7) 55% outside haste (haste/marches/fulltime hasso/10%samba) (73% -> 74%) = 3.85% increase

If you are getting full use out of the 7 acc (which would require you to have abyssmal acc to start with or you are very good with aggressor up/down macros) you get roughly 4% increase.

4 fStr is going to be roughly 3.6% increase.

15 attack will be roughly 2.5% increase.

2% crit will be roughly 1.3% increase.

Perle stats give roughly a 6.4% increase over standard set (fairly consistant).
Standard set stats give anywhere from 1.23% - 7.85% increase depending on haste and your current acc.

To be quite honest this set truely is **** and those that are denying it are simply not looking closely enough or simply dont want to believe that the once thought "standard set" that was fairly difficult to obtain, now can be equalled or surpassed for 100k. SE just seriouly leveled the playing field for casual players (whether you think this is good or not that is up to you to decide). I have a mixed feeling towards this more for my drg as it is the best TP set there is barring some seriously high end pieces needed, so my homam just went down the ******* (minus the feet for a HB macro).

The reason why I like it is that it seriously gives NO ONE a reason to not have a good TP set. This whole set is 100k on my server, and if you cant afford that, you seriously need to stop leveling and farm. It is 100% worth it as it is also a very nice WS set as well. 100k for a good TP/WS set, seriously, get it if you dont already and dont have byakko's haidate (without this piece there is nothing that can beat perle set unless you goofily have dusk +1 and armadaberk but no haidate).
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#15 Jul 23 2010 at 3:36 PM Rating: Decent
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People are putting far too much thought into it.

Perle is simply a cop out for people who don't have access or the time to obtain the high end gear.
This is what people all wanted. "I don't have time to farm sky or limbus" "I'm not part of an HNM shell" "I hate Salvage" blah blah blah.

People asked for it, and SE gave them what you wanted.

It all boils down to this:
Do you have E body?
Do you have Kitty Pants?
Do you have 3/5 Homam?
Do you have Ace's Helm?
Do you have Usukane?

If you answered no to any of those questions, there's a strong possibility that you should be using Perle.
sh*t's still situational though.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 2:38pm by Enilanerda
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Enilanerda wrote:
People are putting far too much thought into it.

Perle is simply a cop out for people who don't have access or the time to obtain the high end gear.
This is what people all wanted. "I don't have time to farm sky or limbus" "I'm not part of an HNM shell" "I hate Salvage" blah blah blah.

People asked for it, and SE gave them what you wanted.

It all boils down to this:
Do you have E body?
Do you have Kitty Pants?
Do you have 3/5 Homam?
Do you have Ace's Helm?
Do you have Usukane?

If you answered no to any of those questions, there's a strong possibility that you should be using Perle.
sh*t's still situational though.

Edited, Jul 23rd 2010 2:38pm by Enilanerda
With the exception that unless you're a DRK that does lots of Souleater zerging, Perle > Homam, and there are circumstances under which you may even want to skip catpants / Ace's if you have full Perle. Personally, I think KWiley had it spot-on.
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The reason why I like it is that it seriously gives NO ONE a reason to not have a good TP set. This whole set is 100k on my server, and if you cant afford that, you seriously need to stop leveling and farm. It is 100% worth it as it is also a very nice WS set as well. 100k for a good TP/WS set, seriously, get it if you dont already and dont have byakko's haidate (without this piece there is nothing that can beat perle set unless you goofily have dusk +1 and armadaberk but no haidate).


This, a thousand times this. I have a feeling that, if this is what SE's thinking for "average" gear post 75, I'm a bit excited to see what the "high end" gear will be like...
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