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#1 Apr 26 2010 at 10:17 PM Rating: Default
so i was curious about penta build on war i have 8/8 pole merits and 0/8 GA as i lvl'd war because i have ares and cuz its fairly useful in salvage....but anywho...this is a polearm build question for bird camp.....on sam i generally lean towards attk then stack str then dex and use sushi....but theres a few differences gear wise....war can heca sam cant sam can get 20 attk from gloves and 7 acc/attk from feet and war cant....and war can wear ares and sam cant.....which all of that is obvious anyways.....this is my gear tp and penta....plz tell me wut to change etc to get the most outta penta build

tp
engetsuto/pole/x/bomblet
askar/pcc/minuet/brutal
hauby+1/dusk/iota/rajas
cuch/swift/byakkos/aurum

penta
engetsuro(+6 WS acc evolith)/pole/x/bomblet
heca/gorget/aesir(+7attk)/brutal
hauby +1/heca/flame/rajas
cerb+1/virtuoso/heca/heca

i was thinkin bout maybe goin attk heavy and trying sushi since the above build ive always used meat with and acc is 90% or so...something like:

x/x/x/bomb core
ares/gorget/aesir/brutal
ares/relic/flame/rajas
cerb+1/virtuoso/heca/aurum

anyways sry for rambling.....tired and wanted to get this posted b4 i sleep so ill have some responses in the mornin....thanks in advance!
#2 Apr 27 2010 at 9:20 PM Rating: Decent
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#3 Apr 28 2010 at 12:29 AM Rating: Default
ok theres one helpless post....now how bout some1 who actually has some advice on my gear? ^^
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#5 Apr 28 2010 at 1:24 AM Rating: Good
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Use a Great Axe...
This, I'm afraid. Swapping to polearm lowers your Accuracy, lowers your Attack, lowers your weapon's base damage, kills your 6-hit, and if I'm honest with you, turns you into a wannabe-SAM.

It can work, but Great Axe should be a safer bet.
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#6 Apr 28 2010 at 2:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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if you need the ACC to TP in, you need it for WS. that's all i have.
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It's possible to still retain a 6 hit build as /SAM with a 480 delay weapon. Just need to gear yourself a little differently.

Example:

Engetsuto
Ecphoria Ring
Attila's Earring
Rose Strap
Rajas Ring
Brutal Earring
Chivalrous Chain

It's actually not that hard to pull off 90-93% accy with ~26 in accy gear,~26 dex from gear, and crab sushi. For birds anyways. >_<"

Even so...I would probably still go Great axe and eat attack food. >_>"
#8 Apr 28 2010 at 6:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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If well geared, its better on birds.
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#9 Apr 28 2010 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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doctorugh wrote:
If well geared, its better on birds.
Agreed, but until sufficiently well geared, surely Great Axe is just safer.
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If well geared, its better on birds.
Agreed, but until sufficiently well geared, surely Great Axe is just safer better.


Fixed for you.

Until your polearm build is *very* well geared, Greataxe is better.

Warrior does not capitalize on the polearm bonuses the way Samurai does - We already have a strong multi-hit WS, and dont generate that much tp to spam WSes wich are the strongest point of polearms.
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#11 Apr 28 2010 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
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doctorugh wrote:
If well geared, its better on birds.


At which point you should probably have just leveled Dragoon.

Unless you're just super bored with the game, why pretend to be the -1 version of another job?
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#12 Apr 28 2010 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
ok apparently all u close minded people r missing something in my post.....as i have said.....i AM well geared for polearm....i have 8/8 merit......i have no GA merits....i am looking at how to improve my POLEARM build.....if i wanted to be told GA was always better i woulda asked if i should use it over pole....but i didnt.....ive outparsed drg after sam after drg as a pole war....yes i use GA at mamools.....but again this post is about my pole build....so how bout 1 post that relates to a sufficient penta thrust build plz....thanks..
#13 Apr 28 2010 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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Ok, apparently all of you close minded people are missing something in my post. As I have said, I AM well geared for polearm. I have 8/8 merit and no GA merits. I am looking at how to improve my POLEARM build. If I wanted to be told GA was always better, I would have asked if I should use it over pole, but I didn't. I've outparsed drg after sam after drg as a pole war. Yes, I use GA at mamools but, again, this post is about my pole build. So how bout 1 post that relates to a sufficient penta thrust build please. Thanks.


FTFY.

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Edited, Apr 28th 2010 3:16pm by XxHigetsuxX
#15 Apr 28 2010 at 2:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Apr 28th 2010 4:28pm by Lucinus
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ok apparently all u close minded people r missing something in my post.....as i have said.....i AM well geared for polearm....i have 8/8 merit......i have no GA merits....i am looking at how to improve my POLEARM build.....if i wanted to be told GA was always better i woulda asked if i should use it over pole....but i didnt.....ive outparsed drg after sam after drg as a pole war....yes i use GA at mamools.....but again this post is about my pole build....so how bout 1 post that relates to a sufficient penta thrust build plz....thanks..


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i was thinkin bout maybe goin attk heavy and trying sushi since the above build ive always used meat with and acc is 90% or so...something like:


The TP gear you listed puts you around ~88% accuracy with a 7 hit. While I get you don't want to use great axe you at least need to figure out how you would match a 6 hit build with 95% accuracy capable of eating meat.

If you used a rose strap and got hit once or had a 4/5 penta return you could get a 6 hit. Chiv chain or e. ring would help ensure that.

Also...I think your WS set actually has less accuracy...than your TP set...so you might want to change that...cause WSing in below 85% accuracy is very silly...especially when your TP set has more accuracy.

Honestly never been impressed by a weapon that sacrifices ~10% base damage, ***** up your 6-hit build, and has 20-54 less skill just for that 25% piercing bonus. Especially when it puts you in food limbo where you're not low enough accuracy to really use sushi, but too low for meat.
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doctorugh wrote:
If well geared, its better on birds.


At which point you should probably have just leveled Dragoon.

Unless you're just super bored with the game, why pretend to be the -1 version of another job?


My WAR and DRG are 75.

As war, this gear(w/ squid vs birds): Gondo/Rose/Bombcore
Turban/Chiv/Fowling/Brutal
Hauberk+1/Dusk/Rajas/Flame
Forgagers/Swift/B.Hiadate/Aurum


Beats this(w/ meat vs birds): Perdu/Pole/bombcore
Turban/Chiv/Fowling/brutal
Hauberk+1/Dusk/Rajas/Ulthalum
Foragers/Swift/B.Hiadate/Aurum

Both of these beat my DRG, who is missing Homam legs, but otherwise fully geared.
How do I know this?

I've run the numbers on paper and parsed them in practice. Pole war is no -1 to DRG.

Edited, Apr 28th 2010 6:13pm by doctorugh
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doctorugh wrote:
My WAR and DRG are 75.

As war, this gear(w/ squid vs birds): Gondo/Rose/Bombcore 
                                      Turban/Chiv/Fowling/Brutal 
                                      Hauberk+1/Dusk/Rajas/Flame 
                                      Forgagers/Swift/B.Hiadate/Aurum
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Interesting, because I have WAR and DRG at 75 as well, and my DRG obliterates my polearm WAR at birds. Only primary difference would be that I have a PCC not a chiv chain, but a NQ hauby. The only job that comes close to my DRG now is my PUP because of the PUPdate, which imo says quite a bit (to me, at least).

Edited, Apr 29th 2010 12:38am by bsphil
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ok apparently all u close minded people r missing something in my post.....as i have said.....i AM well geared for polearm....i have 8/8 merit......i have no GA merits....i am looking at how to improve my POLEARM build.....if i wanted to be told GA was always better i woulda asked if i should use it over pole....but i didnt.....ive outparsed drg after sam after drg as a pole war....yes i use GA at mamools.....but again this post is about my pole build....so how bout 1 post that relates to a sufficient penta thrust build plz....thanks..


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#21 Apr 29 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Default
lol really its kinda funny how far off a topic people can get....u badger the way i type like this is a **** english paper...i mean really who cares...if u dont like it...then dont read my post.....if u dont have advice on the questions i ask....dont post.....im not saying it will be better than my drg cuz it want....but it is pretty solid so if u think ur war or sam can outparse mine with a pole....be my guest to try....im on bismarck....my name is mooze....im sure some1 could step up.....and ty for the few people that actually gave useful info =)



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lol really its kinda funny how far off a topic people can get....u badger the way i type like this is a **** english paper...i mean really who cares...if u dont like it...then dont read my post.....if u dont have advice on the questions i ask....dont post.....im not saying it will be better than my drg cuz it want....but it is pretty solid so if u think ur war or sam can outparse mine with a pole....be my guest to try....im on bismarck....my name is mooze....im sure some1 could step up.....and ty for the few people that actually gave useful info =)


Lots of stuff, lots of periods. Needs more Gaxe. Polearm WAR on Colibri is moot if you have DRG leveled. Drop the RDM|WHM in the PT, go DRG/mage, get a HB gearset and win.

Honestly, your gear looks great for Polearm, although my Gaxe point still stands.

Also, am I the only one in the world who thinks that Iota is a total piece of shit and a waste of Ichor unless you have absolutely everything else that you could ever want from Einherjar? Even then, I'd only get an Iota to show off on my mannequin (get it?! cuz you can't see rings!)

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At which point you should probably have just leveled Dragoon.


A proper war pole build can smash the **** out of gaxe or dragoon on things like a DL zerg. I know that wasn't the point of your post but I thought I'd just mention.
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If well geared, its better on birds.


At which point you should probably have just leveled Dragoon.


A proper war pole build can smash the sh*t out of gaxe or dragoon on things like a DL zerg. I know that wasn't the point of your post but I thought I'd just mention.


let's see some math for this... on the face of it, your claim is obviously false. not parses, but reasoning/math please. SAM polearm zerg maybe, but not WAR. given that RR > penta, GA base damage > polearm, and drakesbane > penta, i don't see how in the world your claim could be true, but of course i might be overlooking something.
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A proper war pole build can smash the sh*t out of gaxe or dragoon on things like a DL zerg. I know that wasn't the point of your post but I thought I'd just mention.


LOL thats rich.
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Told Great Axe is generally better
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL CLOSED MINDED, OMFG ELIPSES!

Seriously, what the f*ck is with people going off because they get told something they don't want to hear? Get the f*ck over it and use a Great Axe. If you want to use a Polearm level DRG.
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