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#52 Mar 31 2010 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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All this is very interesting so far,great work fellas.
I rarely log in,this is the same for many warriors but we are out there reading yer advice.The world is watching,be nice.

I guess we need to get the new GAs parced against Perdu and Fortitute in a few different situations.We may just have to catch them all.

Only one thing pops to mind when I try to think of which weapon to use- it's time to get off my *** and build my relic.
#53 Apr 01 2010 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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According to BG someone is currently testing the OAT Great Katana. They said it 'feels' like joyeuse proc rate. But we should know soon enough I guess.
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My thoughts exactly, what LS restricts sharing strategies?

I'm on the birds phase of the higher damage OAT GA, luckily my new job will open up more time to play on the weekends and my LS doesn't do events then, so the next two steps should go pretty fast. Then I gotta spam VNM with some buddies and find out the super secret strategy on the Tier 3 VNM to get Nails :P
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#56 Apr 02 2010 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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Considering the current testing being done by Radec on BG it seems the OAT goes off around 40% of the time. Assuming this holds true for Luchtaine, where would this place it (the higher damage version) in the tier list of great axes (namely Bonesplitter and Perdu Voulge)?
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Considering the current testing being done by Radec on BG it seems the OAT goes off around 40% of the time. Assuming this holds true for Luchtaine, where would this place it (the higher damage version) in the tier list of great axes (namely Bonesplitter and Perdu Voulge)?


Going to do some non in-depth comparison, but will be close enough to get an idea.

(going to assign a base of 50% haste, 6hit build, fSTR =10, 92.5% acc, 22%DA, and 600att vs colibri for sake of a quick comparison)

Luch: 131.1 Damage/swing x 5 = 655.5/round
Time per round: [514/60delay x (524/1024)haste / 0.925acc / 1.532DA]x5 +2 = 17.47s
Damage/WS = 892.23 (assuming DA proc on WS just fine)
Damage/S = 88.59

Perdu 164.8 Damage/Swing x 5 = 824/round
Time per round: [504/60delay x (524/1024)haste / 0.95 / 1.22DA]x5 +2=20.54
Damage/WS = 878.45
Damage/S = 82.88 (retalitions will be slightly harder, but not included here)


88.59/82.88 = Luch is about 6.9% better



****EDIT - some info coming out saying DA may not proc on WS, if so #'s on luch would be
LUCH: 81.23 D/S (using same situation as above)

If this was the case then Perdu is still ahead by about 2%

Edited, Apr 3rd 2010 11:14pm by doctorugh
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#58 Apr 03 2010 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks for the info doctorugh.
#59 Apr 13 2010 at 10:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Why wouldn't the Hephaestus GA be an option, there are at least a few trials that make sense to be an option.

Depending on what gear you have you could swap out some gear for the GA with either the +DEX & +ACC or the +STR & +ATT GA's.

It is situational but it could be done to great affect.

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#60 Apr 14 2010 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good
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Why wouldn't the Hephaestus GA be an option, there are at least a few trials that make sense to be an option.

Depending on what gear you have you could swap out some gear for the GA with either the +DEX & +ACC or the +STR & +ATT GA's.

It is situational but it could be done to great affect.

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Those things are all significantly weaker than Perdu, so no.
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#61 Apr 14 2010 at 1:56 AM Rating: Good
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But what about pre-perdu? There are still GA's better than the Hephaestus that are significantly easier to obtain.

Like:
Erlking's Kheten
Byakko's Axe
Berserker's Axe

If you insist on doing a Magian trial I would go for the Bonesplitter that's DMG 100. It's not going to beat Perdu, but I'd wager it beats every axe I listed up above.
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#62 Apr 14 2010 at 2:07 AM Rating: Good
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But what about pre-perdu? There are still GA's better than the Hephaestus that are significantly easier to obtain.

Like:
Erlking's Kheten
Byakko's Axe
Berserker's Axe
If you want to go into pre-Perdu, then Byakko's is also better than a Hephaestus in any of its forms (possibly with the exception of the Defense Down one, but that's a rather complex matter as I don't know how potent the effect is). No matter though, Perdu is what you should aim for, and the time spent getting a Hephaestus turns the whole exercise into a waste of effort if you have either Byakko's or (preferably) Perdu.
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#63 Apr 14 2010 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Apr 14th 2010 8:39am by doctorugh
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#64 Apr 14 2010 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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If you don't have access to God gear or have piles of ACC gear, the +ACC Hephaestus would let you eat meat. Which will easily meet or exceed the latent on Perdu, if you are not hitting the ACC cap w/sushi that is. On merit camps, you could use meat kabobs instead of crab sushi, again, if you don't have enough ACC.
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#65 Apr 14 2010 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry, but I'd much rather take a Berserker's over a Hephaestus in that instance (unless, and only unless, it's the Evasion Down one), while working on Sky access (which by the way is not hard). There is so much easily available Accuracy gear that you shouldn't need to worry about that, not to mention pizza.

Give me a million and I'll give you a cheap'n'cheerful Accuracy set, easily, and maybe give you some change depending on server economies.

Edited, Apr 14th 2010 11:07am by Lucinus

Edited, Apr 14th 2010 11:21am by Lucinus
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#66 Apr 14 2010 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I think Hephaestus is being a little over-looked here. It's a fine Gaxe and not far off of Perdu. I've run more extensive numbers on this but dont feel like pouring over them atm. Here's a quick breakdown:

Hephaestus Str/ATT(Rose strap to keep 6hit)

+4.6% faster (WS + TP)
+2% higher attack ratio (WS + TP)


Perdu(pole)

+1.9% base damage for TP phase(3.8% more base damage at fSTR =11 during TP, at 50% of damage from tp phase)
+1% hitrate (the +5 acc only generally helps duing aggressor down, so 40% of 2.5%hitrate)
+1.7% damage from DA (pole)(diminishing returns and all)
+0.6% base damage from WS (1.2% more base damage at fSTR=16, Strmod=53, at 50% WS total damage)


Just saying, looks better than alot of other stuff we have (Byakko, Berserkers)

It's probably on par with a really good EK Aug.

You could make the arguement that the acc could count for more on Perdu in certain circumstances, but at that point a +DEX/ACC hephaestus might be better.


I was going to post an in depth math post earlier but didnt have the time or inclination.....still dont fully, but perhaps I'll get around to it.



Edited, Apr 14th 2010 5:33pm by doctorugh
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