Magian GAxe with Multi-HitFollow

Ok I don't understand this exactly.

374
D76 Delay 514
Occ.Atk.Twice

377 (looks to be longer)
D44 514
Occ.Atk.Twice


Unless they had some screwy type's in the system... why the hell would anyone do the longer path to get an inferior weapon?

Because you don't need 10 Ruthven's nails for the weaker version. If you don't have any way to beat the VNM, you can still have a chance to get a multi-hit weapon by just chipping away at the mob requirement at your leisure.

Not worth the time IMHO, but some people may find it worth it, especially /dnc soloers, or they may just do it for the fun and lulz of a multi-hit weapon they can get solo or duo.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2010 10:40am by OyamaBlu

Yeah, but Fortitude can Triple. Anyway, its solely down to proc rate now, and I'd imagine they'd be similar to the other Occasionally Attack X weapons, with a fairly even split between Single/Double procs.

Also, Occasionally Attacks Twice + Max Damage Axe combined with Ridill sounds like fun to me.

Here's what I found out on that avenue, from the Wiki:

Trial 296 Axe: Chopper required  
297:Elements 
   298:Fire Buffs 
      299:Fire Buffs+1 
         300:DMG+7 STR+2 Delay-4 Attack+5 
            301:DMG+12 Delay-4 STR+4 Attack+12 
         302:DMG+7 Delay-4 STR+2 Pet: Attack+5 RAttack+5 
            303:DMG+12 Delay-4 STR+4 Pet: Attack+12 RAtttack+12 
         304:DMG+8 Weakens Attack+5 
            305::DMG+13 Weakens Attack+10 
   306:Wind Buffs 
      307:WindBuffs +1 
         308:DMG+7 AGI+2 Delay-4 Evasion + 5 
            309:DMG+12 Delay-4 Evasion+12 
         310:DMG+7 Delay-4 AGI+2 Pet: Evasion+5 
            311:DMG+12 Delay -4 AGI+4 Pet: Evasion+12 
         312:DMG+8 ImparesEVA+5 
            313:DMG+13 Impares EVA+10 
   314: Lightning Buffs 
      315:Lightning Buffs+1 
         316:DMG+7 Delay-4 DEX+2 ACC+3 
            317:DMG+12 Delay-4 DEX+4 ACC+8 
         318:DMG+7 Delay-4 DEX+2 Pet: ACC + 3 RACC + 3 
            319:DMG+7 Delay-4 DEX+4 Pet: ACC+8 RACC+8 
         320:DMG+8 Lowers Accuracy +5 
            321:DMG+13 Lowers Accuracy+10 
   322:Light Buffs 
      323:Light Buffs+1 
         324:DMG+7 Delay-4 CHR+2 Mag EVA +5 
            325:DMG+12 Delay-4 CHR+4 Mag EVA +10 
         326:DMG+7 Delay-4 CHR+2 Pet: Mag EVA+5 
            327:DMG+12 Delay-4 CHR+4 Pet: Mag EVA+10 
         328:DMG+8 Lowers Magic EVA+5 
            329:DMG+13 Lowers Mag EVA+10 
330:Elements 
   331:Ice Buffs 
      322:Ice Buffs+1 
         333:DMG+7 Delay-4 INT+2 Mag Attack Bonus +2 
            334:DMG+12 Delay-4 INT+4 Mag Attack Bonus +5 
         335:DMG+7 Delay-4 INT+2 Pet: Mag Attack Bonus +2 
            336:DMG+12 Delay-4 INT+4 Pet: Mag Attack Bonus +5 
         337:DMG+8 Lowers Magic Attack+5 
            338:DMG+13 Lowers Magic Attack+10 
   339:Earth Buffs 
      340:Earth Buffs+1 
         341:DMG+7 Delay-4 VIT+2 Phys Damage taken -2% 
            342:DMG+12 Delay-4 VIT+4 Phys Damage taken -5% 
         343:DMG+7 Delay-4 VIT+2 Pet: Phys Damage taken -2% 
            344:DMG+12 Delay-4 VIT+4 Pet: Phys Damage taken -5% 
         345:DMG+8 Weakens Def +5 
            346:DMG+13 Weakens DEF+10 
   347:Water Buffs 
      348:Water Buffs+1 
         349:DMG+7 Delay-4 MND+2 Mag Def Bonus +2 
            350:DMG+12 Delay-4 MND+4 Mag Def Bonus +5 
         351:DMG+7 Delay-4 MND+2 Pet: Mag Def Bonus +2 
            352:DMG+12 Delay-4 MND+4 Pet: Mag Def Bonus +5 
         353:DMG+8 Lowers Magic Def+5 
            354:DMG+13 Lowers Magic Def+10 
   355:Dark Buffs 
      356:Dark Buffs+1 
         357:DMG+7 Delay-4 MP+15 Mag ACC +5 
            358:DMG+12 Delay-4 MP+30 Mag ACC +10 
         359:DMG+7 Delay-4 MP+15 Pet: Mag ACC Bonus +2 
            360:DMG+12 Delay-4 MP+30 Pet: Mag ACC Bonus +5 
         353:DMG+8 Lowers Magic ACC+5 
            354:DMG+13 Lowers Magic ACC+10 
 
Axe 282: Chopper Required 
283:Attack+3 
   284:Attack+5 
        285:Changes to BoneBiter: DMG:47 Delay:288 
         286:Attack+3 
            287:Attack+5 
               288:Attack+7 
                  289:DMG+6 (Totaling 53 base DMG on weapon)    
       290: Changes to Punisher: DMG:27 Delay 280 
         291: Delay-4 
            292: DMG+19 (Totalling 46 Base DMG) Delay+32(Totalling 312) Occasionally Attacks Twice 
            293: Delay-8 
               294: Delay-14 
                  295: Delay+32(Totalling 312) Occasionally Attacks Twice   

Seems less than spectacular now that I look at it, though could still work. Don't like the delay of the axe, but if it procs like Joyeuse I could learn to live with it. +100 Delay between the two. Better base damage, 11 more than Joyeuse, and higher base skill than Joyeuse, at least. One of the mathers would have to figure out the specifics here.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2010 2:06pm by lolgaxe

Good Stuff Khory... but can you summarize lol :)

Damnit.. just when I am nearly finished with Merits in Sword... i guess its still viable until i can actually get the Punisher.. which would cut down on the merits actually.. so i can put more into other things.

Thanks for all your work :)

FYI, here are all the final form Magian Great Axes.

364-365-366-367-368-369-370-371
Bonesplitter
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:89 Delay:504
DMG:+11
Lv.75 WAR

364-365-366-372-373-374
Luchtaine
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:44 Delay:504
DMG:+32 Delay:+10
Occ. atk. twice
Lv.75 WAR

364-365-366-372-373-375-376-377
Luchtaine
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:44 Delay:504
Delay:+10
Occ. atk. twice
Lv.75 WAR

378-379-380-381-382-383
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 STR+4 Attack+15
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-380-381-384-385
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Weakens atk.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-386-387-388-389
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 AGI+4 Evasion+15
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-386-387-390-391
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Impairs evasion+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-392-393-394-395
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 DEX+4 Accuracy+12
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-392-393-396-397
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Lowers acc.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-398-399-400-401
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 CHR+4
Mag. Evasion+12
Lv. 75 WAR

378-379-398-399-402-403
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Lowers mag.eva.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-405-406-407-408
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 INT+4
"Mag.Atk.Bns."+7
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-405-406-409-410
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Lowers mag.atk.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-411-412-413-414
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 VIT+4
Phys. dmg. taken -7%
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-411-412-415-416
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Weakens def.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-417-418-419-420
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 MND+4
"Mag.Def.Bns."+7
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-417-418-421-422
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Lowers mag.def.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-423-424-425-426
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+19 Delay:-6 MP+50
Mag. Acc.+12
Lv. 75 WAR

378-404-423-424-427-428
Hephaestus
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:72 Delay:488
DMG:+21
Add.eff.:Lowers mag.acc.+10
Lv. 75 WAR

Where, Perdu is outdone by Bonesplitter no matter what I assume, even in un-capped accuracy situations. 2.5% Hit rate vs 4 Base Dmg?
I'm not positive, so again, mathimacation people can chime in.

So then the real question comes down to:

DMG: 100 Delay 504
VS
DMG: 76 Delay 514 Occ Atk Twice

And then Further more, the big question is, will duel wield 3 from /nin at 99 make GA obsolete again?

Not a mathematician, by any sense of the word, but don't discount the +10 atk on Perdu, and, as you stated, in uncapped acc, Perdu still gets +5 acc.

Bonesplitter might...

What the hell, I went to smoke a cig and forgot my point. I think my point is, for you that don't have a Perdu, go for this, although the quests are a pain in the ass.

I'll stick with Perdu for now. Just because I have it.

Nya~

I know what you are saying is true, but its alot closer than 75*1.45 > 100.
If you count in 22% DA and assuming that the weapon is not like a sea weapon and on more on par with joyuese. It's more close to 75(.55x.22 + .45) = 117.8 vs 100 x 1.22 = 122. But you'll WS more 504/1.22 = 413 vs 514/1.57 = 327 (26% more often, but roughly 17% less damage). Overall its only marginally better than the 100 damage weapon, which isnt as good as Perdu when acc is useful.

fyi, this axe:

Bonesplitter
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:89 Delay:504
DMG:+11
Lv.75 WAR

is about a billion times easier to get than this axe:

Luchtaine
(Great Axe)All Races
DMG:44 Delay:504
DMG:+32 Delay:+10
Occ. atk. twice
Lv.75 WAR


im all for getting some nice toys but its one thing to be able to solo 99% of one item and do the rest with a party less than 6, while the other requires an alliance and 20x more effort for something marginally better. then again, that sums up most of the game so...

idk, I can't honestly see 5 acc 10 atk beating 4 dmg, under any but the lowest of low acc situations, and the fact that you lose those stats on all hits over 100% TP (as a pup, I constantly deal with comparisons of waghs and hades, this factor is an annoyingly large one to consider). I don't see perdu winning against Bonesplitter.

Bonesplitter has a DoT of 11.90. that's just broken.

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 1:46pm by Jinte

for those that are curious, to get bonesplitter:

364: Hoo Mjuu the Torrent x3
365: Dagger Claw Dracos x3
366: Namtar x3
367: Gargantua x4
368: Megalobugard x4
369: Ratatoskr x4
370: Jyeshtha x6
371: Capricorns x6

Edited, Mar 24th 2010 1:55pm by Jinte

After Finishing the 364 Trial= Kill Hoo Mjuu the Torrent 3x (Giddeus)
took me about 4hrs easy kills of course not really competition teamed up with a war who was doing the same trial. But the whole idea of another time sink idea to give us a weapon that isnt Godly just really good kinda gets at me. Me getting this weapon isnt some wow u overcame alot. Me getting this weapon is wow i hav alot of free time. wich at the moment i do. At least create some nm's where respawn window isnt up to 7 hrs... idk.. im kinda meh on the hole idea killing nm 3x and then eventually 6x and dealing with long respawn time... but w/e i just so happen to have the time and 1 trial done. GoGo Bonesplitter

Once we actually got off our arses and tried, my ls got 8 joytoys in a row.

Define getting close?
Currently at 70/400 on Birds for trial 372. Started yesterday so making decent progress. Should be able to finish birds and clusters tonight (maybe going into Friday), just need to drag some of my ls/friends out.

Going to drag some friends/ls members out to kill some vnm, but need to set that all up (Ruthven will definitely be the hard part for me).

pretty fuzzy math for something that seems to be too close to eyeball

Also, they are the SAME delay

Got 3 Nails today, hopefully a few more tomorrow. Then maybe finish on Sunday if I'm lucky.

Strats on Vampyr?

Also, can you confirm whether bomb cluster stage is exp yielding or any? The bird stage says exp yield, but clusters do not.

Edited, Mar 26th 2010 2:34am by mazmaz

Edited, Mar 26th 2010 2:35am by mazmaz

no u! perdu axe or ur a poopy head

Two handed DDs should rarely ever not be capped on accuracy. Most events are around 380ish, with bosses at 410-420, with a few events at 400-440... if somebody's gear isn't good enough to hit 400 accuracy (and then eat pizza) then they should be coming on another job, or maybe spend a week meriting or something.



I can melee in @#%^ing strength rings on my COR, and you can't find 3 accuracy in gear to make your Askar hat obsolete over the course of a year? The whole argument hinged on needing that 3 accuracy, which is @#%^ing retarded... would you wear a Venerer ring over Blitz? Oh, ok, the 3 attack, too... good luck with your Headsman ring, you @#%^ing gimp.

Could you list your TP set please.

Also, there are advantages to Perdu/Bonesplitter/Oathkeeper given over to any number of circumstances, but lets argue more anyway because its fun.

I can't believe the amount of stupidity that comes out of your head. Does your LS let you go to events on WAR? Do they let you hit things?

Here's a hint: Fortitude Axe is a wash in terms of DoT when compared to Perdu. You trade a chunk of base damage, 5 acc/10 att (Perdu), 6acc/6att or 12att (ammo), and gain enough of an increase in WS frequency that it outweighs the difference in damage. On paper Fortitude should come out ahead, but human error makes the two closer to equal. If you can maintain capped accuracy with Fortitude Axe, it wins.

Luchtaine has 12 more base damage than Fortitude and doesn't require an ammo slot. It also has just high enough delay that you can keep a reasonable 6hit with /nin.

Do you comprehend yet, you @#%^ing dolt?