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#1 Mar 22 2010 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Nocturnus Mail
DEF:49 STR+10 DEX+10 VIT+10
Accuracy+12 "Triple Attack"+1%
Occasionally absorbs magic damage
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Lv 75 WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, DRG

looks like this will replace my hecatomb harness easily especially since my sam will be able to use it as well and another nice piece i saw too

Nocturnus Helm
DEF:24 STR+6 DEX+6 AGI+6 Attack+8
"Double Attack"+2%
Occasionally absorbs physical damage
taken
Lv. 75 WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, D

so do these win or adaman hauberk and hecatomb/wahjahn turban still win as best warrior gear ?
#2 Mar 22 2010 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
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I forgot if DA bonus is cumulative or diminishing return......

Enough DA TA would SEEM to be able to beat haste. (although BOTH would be ideal)
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#3 Mar 22 2010 at 6:03 PM Rating: Decent
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#4 Mar 22 2010 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Nocturnus Mail
DEF:49 STR+10 DEX+10 VIT+10
Accuracy+12 "Triple Attack"+1%
Occasionally absorbs magic damage
taken
Lv 75 WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, DRG

looks like this will replace my hecatomb harness easily especially since my sam will be able to use it as well and another nice piece i saw too

Nocturnus Helm
DEF:24 STR+6 DEX+6 AGI+6 Attack+8
"Double Attack"+2%
Occasionally absorbs physical damage
taken
Lv. 75 WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, D

so do these win or adaman hauberk and hecatomb/wahjahn turban still win as best warrior gear ?


So basically for the body... you are comparing 12ACC and 1% TA to 15acc and 15atk, now I could be horribly wrong but I am going to say that adaberk is still the winner.

As for the helm... I would take the haste from Turban due to its potency decreasing as the haste total increases.
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#5 Mar 22 2010 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Head looks like a possible Nhead replacement WS piece... if for nothing else multi-hits like KJ/RR/Rampage/Penta. Maybe not quite as good eyeballing it, but certainly an option if Nhead and the SCNM head aren't do-able for you.
#6 Mar 22 2010 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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Adaberk is three accuracy and fifteen attack more, so as far as a replacement for TP I'd say it doesn't quite make it. Adaberk is also awesome for things like Rampage, Raging Rush, and King's Justice, so it doesn't have a place there either. This piece is good for Steel Cyclone, though. Or anything you'd use Kirin's Osode for, anyway. Obviously its better than Hauberkeon.

I couldn't really say as far as Hecatomb Cap versus Nocturnus Helm. I'd say its pretty close.

They're nice pieces, overall. Just doesn't seem to have enough momentum to put it over the top.

Edited, Mar 22nd 2010 10:33pm by lolgaxe
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#7 Mar 22 2010 at 9:17 PM Rating: Default
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aren't they adding another form of "enchanting" gear to keep current endgame gear from becoming dated with cap raise? this might make a more desirable starting canvas and/or a viable alternative for those of us who probably wont ever see a heca or adaberk
#8 Mar 22 2010 at 10:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I really dont see what this has to offer a war over adaberk for TP and multi hits. 3acc/15atk vs 1% TA is a joke. No contest. And, without attack, this is just an osode with 1% TA for the RARE epeen shot for 1 hit WS. Ares is still better for 1 hit wonder WS. 2str/24atk>>>1%TA for 1 hit wonders.

Adaberk jobs really dont get much out of this. Sams get a mild upgrade in TP body over Haub+1 and inv+1 by dropping osode/haub for this. Drg is the only job I see that gets a significant bonus from. This is the best acc oriented TP/WS piece for drg available thoroughly stomping Homam body that filled this niche previously, though the 1hit WS (and acc capped TP) ares is still it.

To be quite honest the lack of attack on this thing really shoots its potential in the foot. Drgs are the only jobs that get a real great use out of this as they have no great acc/atk/stat item like haub+1/adaberk.
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#10 Mar 23 2010 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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I have a feeling this item is going to be haorded over by Sam's...I just get that feeling. Even though they probably get the least amount of gain from it. This thing is GOLD for drg. The absorbing magic damage would be great for pld if the proc rate is at all decent (im going to assume it's in the 5-10% range). This thing is basically a Hauby +2.

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#11 Mar 23 2010 at 9:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Dragoon gets a lot of stuff tailor made for them. I'd like Square to, for once, obsolete Adaberk. Smiley: mad
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#12 Mar 24 2010 at 11:27 AM Rating: Default
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Dragoon gets a lot of stuff tailor made for them. I'd like Square to, for once, obsolete Adaberk.


basicly this, an adaberk has been the one piece of gear i have drooled over since i started playing in 04, but i wasnt gonna stress the hnm scene over it because hey this is a game. but if i was to get it after all these years i would not be the least bit upset if they made most of the existing gear obsolete with even better moderately challenging to obtain gear the next day. if anything because i am sick of seeing each type of job look the same -weapons and 2-3 pieces of gear since 04. most of the good gear was all put out before AHt.

and before anyone says thats because you aint got **** for gear my warrior is as nice as it can get barring adaberk kitty pants and perdue voulge(working on rank. the best gear should not be 5-7 years old in a mmo.
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Dragoon gets a lot of stuff tailor made for them. I'd like Square to, for once, obsolete Adaberk.


basicly this, an adaberk has been the one piece of gear i have drooled over since i started playing in 04, but i wasnt gonna stress the hnm scene over it because hey this is a game. but if i was to get it after all these years i would not be the least bit upset if they made most of the existing gear obsolete with even better moderately challenging to obtain gear the next day. if anything because i am sick of seeing each type of job look the same -weapons and 2-3 pieces of gear since 04. most of the good gear was all put out before AHt.

and before anyone says thats because you aint got sh*t for gear my warrior is as nice as it can get barring adaberk kitty pants and perdue voulge(working on rank. the best gear should not be 5-7 years old in a mmo.


I'm with you. As long as soon as they make Adaberk obsolete, they just keep continuing the trend of obsoleting the best gear regularly. Hey, maybe once you rank up to get perdu, spend your Imperial Standing on it, they'll add some new GAXE that requires 100 forest hare kills to get and is better?

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#14 Mar 24 2010 at 10:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Wow.

Way too many people on this forum take their adaberk for granted. Since when has it been assumed that it's the standard? That new body looks awesome, and definitely a good sub in job for ws over hauby, the average mojoe warrior.
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#15 Mar 25 2010 at 1:47 AM Rating: Good
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Head looks like a possible Nhead replacement WS piece... if for nothing else multi-hits like KJ/RR/Rampage/Penta. Maybe not quite as good eyeballing it, but certainly an option if Nhead and the SCNM head aren't do-able for you.


I'm gonna take a stab i the dark and guess that if SCNM/fafhogg/einherjar is outta the question for you, getting this might be too. I could be wrong though....
#16 Mar 26 2010 at 1:39 AM Rating: Decent
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PLD, SAM, and DRG get great use out of this body piece. Solid WS helm as well, and absorbing physical damage is kinda crazy.
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#17 Mar 26 2010 at 2:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you dont get my message...dont steal this from Drgs!!! Bah...I know everyone will just like Askar Body.


That was my first thought as well. Smiley: lol

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and before anyone says thats because you aint got sh*t for gear my warrior is as nice as it can get barring adaberk kitty pants and perdue voulge(working on rank. the best gear should not be 5-7 years old in a mmo.


Don't mean to sound like a **** at all, but if your WAR is lacking all three of those pieces, it's not really "as nice as it can get".
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#18 Mar 26 2010 at 2:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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bsphil wrote:
PLD, SAM, and DRG get great use out of this body piece.
Does Atonement even rely on any of that stuff? I thought it was all about the Enmity.
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bsphil wrote:
PLD, SAM, and DRG get great use out of this body piece.
Does Atonement even rely on any of that stuff? I thought it was all about the Enmity.


Seems like a great TP piece, but I'm no PLD. *shrug*
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Does Atonement even rely on any of that stuff? I thought it was all about the Enmity


For the actual ws yeah, you'd gear for enmity. The body is great for building tp in the first place as long as you're not hitting for 0 a lot, then I'd imagine Haub +1 beats this for pld.

What is really interesting with this body, from a pld point of view is the "Occasionally Absorbs magic damage". Items like shadow Mantle are "Occasionally annulls damage from physical attacks"

There is a chance this piece might actually give us hp back, similar to the way ethereal earring works, we'll have to see.



Edited, Mar 26th 2010 4:59am by Artemizthepld
#21 Mar 26 2010 at 8:51 AM Rating: Decent
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it is when you refuse to suck ls **** to get said items. i play this game to have fun not be a gear *****, i judge my staus in this game by my friends and the people i have helped not by what my gear looks like. unfortunately hunting down a few pieces of gear is all i have left to do aside from the excitement of jabbing my eyeballs out gringind to get merits that become as far as we know useless in a couple months till god knows when.

i have had at least 3 ls's break when it was my turn to lot kitty pants, and when ever i have tried to get people to try and camp nid either get no responses or "we dont have enough people, or its botted and i dont wanna camp" so until they make nihdogg a forced pop or increase drop rates in einhijar immensely i wont have an adaberk either. the perdue voulge i am close to being high enough rank to get but it is a pain getting the point with pick up assaults and nyzul runs.

i am happy for the players that obligated the time neccessary to acheive some of the things in this game but i also think it is a little sad what people give up for it. i am not married with kids so ffxi is not my only escape, i have friends that like to party and go out so ffxi is not my only social outlet, none of my rl friends play this game but like other multiplayer games so i play those games with them. the people i meet in this game are also my friends but unlike rl when i log off they are no longer existant in my world and i refuse to miss out on RL so some pixelated people can feel self important about themselves because they run a shell and decides who gets what or they can spend 1200+days in playtime to get a piece of gear you have to be a math whiz to see the difference in. so yes i consider being 2 items away that need mass amounts of people is "as nice as it can get"(i am not counting voulge because i am on my way to get it...effectivly solo)

note: this is not meant to be an attack or deffence just a reply without being fully awake or close to halfway through my coffee.....now i just need my tv fixed so i can log on ><
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ok, so it's clear that adaberk trumps nocturnus mail, but I wonder even, how does hauby+1 stack against this?

In terms of upgrade potential, what does this really offer?

PLD - absorb damage may end up being nice depending on proc rate
DRG - nice body for WS when you need the acc, great piece for jumps
WAR,DRK,BST - better than hauby+1? Not sure, but worse than adaberk
SAM - once again, how does it rank against haub+1 for TP? aside from that it's a VERY slight upgrade from osode. 1% TA will make a rare e-peen WS.

Let's face it, SAMs gonna be the ones who get it anyways.
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ok, so it's clear that adaberk trumps nocturnus mail, but I wonder even, how does hauby+1 stack against this?


Its pretty simple really:
Nocturnus=4str/dex Triple+1% vs Haub+1=12 atk.

For 2handers: Haub+1: 9atk vs Noct:1%TA, 1Fstr, 3acc

As I said before, its a SLIGHT upgrade over Haub+1. Nothing to write home about. 9atk will be around ~2.5% damage. 1 fstr=~1%, 3acc=1.5%, 1%TA=1.8%ish depending on DA.

Basically its a Haub+2. For Pld (or Dual wielding warriors without Adaberk) its a little closer since you drop 1acc/atk from nocturns str/dex.

It would perform virtually identically to a Haub+2 if it existed. It does about 1-2% more damage and 2.5ish% more TP gain over haub+1. Its basically a small step up between Haub+1 and Adaberk for TP. (which is why this kicks *** for drg as they have nothing in that range)

Edited, Mar 30th 2010 2:00pm by Banalaty
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DRG - nice body for WS when you need the acc, great piece for jumps
Unless for some reason you need sTP on the body and Rose Strap can't make up for it instead, this is the best TP body available for DRG as well(so long as acc isn't wasted). If you do somehow need 5-7 sTP on body and rose strap can't help you(under 492 delay weapon maybe?) or if your acc is capped or hits cap before using all of it, then it may change. This depends quite a bit though.
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