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#1 Feb 25 2010 at 10:21 PM Rating: Good
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Hear me out. I know Dusk is probably better, **** I have been using them instead of my Relics for TPing ever since I got them, but I just wanted to hear some expert opinions.

I'm a 74 WAR, just came back from a long long hiatus (since sept 07), just dinged 74, just bought some Dusk gloves. The only piece of +haste gear I have is the +3% haste I get from the dusk. Is it worth it then, or should I be using my Relics instead? If they aren't worth it, about how much haste should I have before I start using Dusk?

While I'm here, what WS gloves would you guys recommend for Rampage/RR? I'm leery of the -DEX on Alky's/Pallas's, but Pallas's are very cheap on my server, so if the -DEX is a non-issue, I will just get them.

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 8:21pm by JmacAttack
#2 Feb 25 2010 at 10:25 PM Rating: Good
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I'm fairly sure that the little bit of attack and the haste on Dusk overtakes the larger amount of attack on the relic gloves. One of the mathier individuals will be along shortly to prove that statement (True / False), so don't take my immediate word for it, but I wouldn't get rid of the gloves regardless. After all, you'll slowly build up more haste as your time playing goes on, and there's always Walhara Turban coming up and easy to get.

Me, personally, avoided -DEX on Raging Rush and Rampage like the plague. You could use those relic gloves here, and Hecatomb is always a good choice here.
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#3 Feb 26 2010 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks. I'm working on getting the turban right now, actually. Next gil item on my list is Dusk Ledelsens.

I wasn't going to get rid of the gloves either way. At most what I would have done was shelve them until I got ledelsens and/or turban.

Edited, Feb 25th 2010 11:07pm by JmacAttack
#4 Feb 26 2010 at 3:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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lolgaxe wrote:
I'm fairly sure that the little bit of attack and the haste on Dusk overtakes the larger amount of attack on the relic gloves. One of the mathier individuals will be along shortly to prove that statement (True / False), so don't take my immediate word for it, but I wouldn't get rid of the gloves regardless. After all, you'll slowly build up more haste as your time playing goes on, and there's always Walhara Turban coming up and easy to get.

Me, personally, avoided -DEX on Raging Rush and Rampage like the plague. You could use those relic gloves here, and Hecatomb is always a good choice here.
Short answer is Haste+3% > Attack+7 by a very, very long way. Can't be bothered to post working, but I think you need something like 200~250 Attack and no other Haste for relic hands to be better (*** pull, it's been a while since I did similar numbers for Tarasque Mitts which is all these are)


On the other hand, the hands aren't bad for WS if you have literally nothing better. Heca will trash them, and you'll probably have plenty of opportunities to go for them if you join a skyshell, because you're sure to be after Byakko's Haidate, and N.Hands drop from the same NM. I'm inclined to think that things like Fourth Gauntlets and Sipahi hands pull about even with relic for WS but don't quote me on that -- I'm just trying to throw you cheap AH options until you can grab something good.
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#5 Feb 26 2010 at 4:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I'm with Luc on this one, I'm fairly certain the small boost to pdif you'll get from the 7Att is going to be somewhere in a 1-3% DoT boost, whereas 3% haste with no other haste will be a 3% increase to DoT and WS frequency. Obviously the dusk gloves pull further ahead if you get Haste spell and/or marches
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#6 Feb 26 2010 at 10:37 PM Rating: Good
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Lucinus wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
I'm fairly sure that the little bit of attack and the haste on Dusk overtakes the larger amount of attack on the relic gloves. One of the mathier individuals will be along shortly to prove that statement (True / False), so don't take my immediate word for it, but I wouldn't get rid of the gloves regardless. After all, you'll slowly build up more haste as your time playing goes on, and there's always Walhara Turban coming up and easy to get.

Me, personally, avoided -DEX on Raging Rush and Rampage like the plague. You could use those relic gloves here, and Hecatomb is always a good choice here.
Short answer is Haste+3% > Attack+7 by a very, very long way. Can't be bothered to post working, but I think you need something like 200~250 Attack and no other Haste for relic hands to be better (*** pull, it's been a while since I did similar numbers for Tarasque Mitts which is all these are)
Close enough. The cutoff's actually at 340 attack, which is still below what you should be at, unbuffed.
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#7 Feb 27 2010 at 3:23 AM Rating: Good
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It's basically tarasque+1 vs dusk, and dusk always wins.

They're ok for WS though before you have something better.
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#8 Feb 28 2010 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
It's basically tarasque+1 vs dusk, and dusk always wins.

They're ok for WS though before you have something better.
This. They're also handy for walking gear if your ws hands look stupid, and they make decent ws hands for multihit stuff like rampage/raging rush if you're like me and don't have heca hands.
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#9 Mar 10 2010 at 11:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Princess Jinte wrote:
bsphil wrote:
It's basically tarasque+1 vs dusk, and dusk always wins.

They're ok for WS though before you have something better.
This. They're also handy


Haha!!

But yea, good WS gloves until Heca etc.
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