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#1 Feb 07 2010 at 11:54 AM Rating: Decent
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anyone who has good records (or a good memory of it):

please list your average WS damage at various events, like sky (nm, non-nm), sea (nm, non-nm), nyzul (bosses, nonbosses), einherjar (bosses, non-bosses), dynamis, etc

anything you can add would be great

thanks! -SP
#2 Feb 17 2010 at 3:41 AM Rating: Good
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Off the top of my head, meant to be taken with a grain of salt, with lots of speculation, and based completely on eyeballing and memory since I don't use a parser, here is what I think my averages are:

Warrior-

Einherjar:

Eating crab sushi on all Tier 1-3 Runs and with a BRD using Minuet IV or a COR using Chaos Roll in my party, probably with Dia 2 or 3-

King's Justice-
Without Berserk: 550-750, avg. 650
With Berserk or Warcry: 700-1000, avg. 850

Raging Rush-
See King's Justice

Steel Cyclone-
Don't really use it except on Odin.

For Odin's Chamber:

Average WS damage is around 250-350 with spikes upwards of 500 or 600.

Nyzul Isle:

Eating Meat Mithkabobs all the time and with a BRD in party using Minuet IV

Non Bosses-
Without Berserk: 700-900, avg. 800
With Berserk or Warcry: 900-1100, avg. 1000, spikes of 1200 or 1300

Bosses-
Without Berserk: 650-750, avg. 700
With Berserk or Warcry: 750-950, avg. 850

Haven't taken my WAR to Limbus, Sky, Sea, or Dynamis in eons so I can't say how much my WS do at those events. Once again, everything I've mentioned is completely based on memory and eyeballing, and is highly inaccurate, so it should not be taken as fact.
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#3 Feb 17 2010 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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The only thing I get consistently parsed in is Einherjar. I almost never drop below 90% acc for the whole ein (boss included) and I almost always use my agg up gear regardless of whether it's up or down (until boss). The only exception is if you're fighting evasive mobs like chigoes. There is absolutely no need for sushi there. At the very least, use pizza. I have pretty good gear though so results may vary, but don't use sushi.

I don't keep records of situational WS averages. But on trash mobs in any situation, averages for me are likely between 700 and 1100 depending on buffs. For "bosses", it depends on boss. Some bosses take a lot of damage. Limbus bosses are pretty weak in general with major exceptions. For very high def bosses, RR/KJ can be anywhere between 300-600 if unbuffed, and increase from there if buffed.

That's my horrible approximation.

Edited, Feb 17th 2010 10:44am by LordMnementh
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#4 Feb 18 2010 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah, I definitely agree pizza would be better. My biggest factor in deciding what to eat came down to price of food and duration. I consider myself a semi-casual player, and the only time I make money is when I do ENM/KSNM/BCNM. Also, on nights when I do Einherjar, it's the only event I do on WAR, so eating a 3 hour food like Pizza bothers me if I'm going to only be utilizing it for just a half hour(especially if I die), and on my server it costs 3k. A stack of crab sushi is 5k and lasts me about an entire month of Einherjar runs. Since I'm always getting either Minuet or Chaos Roll, or sometimes even both, combined with my 5 zerk merits, I felt eating sushi was my answer. I could focus on going full STR and attack and just let the sushi make up for any loss of acc. In regards to the price of food, however, just last night, the ENMs I do with my friends finally put out after a 6 month dry spell, so I'll definitely be looking to investing in some pizza for tier 3 Einherjar runs, possibly some tier 2 as well.

I forgot where it was, but I remember reading someone's suggestion on the forums which said SE should add pizza slices that last a half hour, kinda like what they did with curry buns. That was a wonderful idea, and I wouldn't hesitate for a second to eat the slices if they were added into the game.

Also, I finally got a chance to take my WAR into Limbus the other day. Ate meat the entire time and had a BRD in party giving Minuet IV, along with a RDM using Dia III. I still eyeballed my damage, but here's what I can remember:

Zone: Temenos-West

Without Berserk: 750-950, avg. 800
With Berserk or Warcry: 900-1200, avg 1050

I had one wtf King's Justice that did 1749 and closed Light for an additional 1749. It was on the floor with the lizards. I had Berserk up, eating meat, with Minuet IV, and the DRG had used angon as well, along with the RDM's Dia III. I got back 18 TP as WAR/NIN leading me to believe that I got two double attacks on that particular KJ. It made me giggle like a schoolgirl. It also made me wonder how much I would have done if I had Mighty Strikes up when that happened.
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#5 Feb 18 2010 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, I definitely agree pizza would be better. My biggest factor in deciding what to eat came down to price of food and duration. I consider myself a semi-casual player, and the only time I make money is when I do ENM/KSNM/BCNM. Also, on nights when I do Einherjar, it's the only event I do on WAR, so eating a 3 hour food like Pizza bothers me if I'm going to only be utilizing it for just a half hour(especially if I die), and on my server it costs 3k. A stack of crab sushi is 5k and lasts me about an entire month of Einherjar runs. Since I'm always getting either Minuet or Chaos Roll, or sometimes even both, combined with my 5 zerk merits, I felt eating sushi was my answer. I could focus on going full STR and attack and just let the sushi make up for any loss of acc. In regards to the price of food, however, just last night, the ENMs I do with my friends finally put out after a 6 month dry spell, so I'll definitely be looking to investing in some pizza for tier 3 Einherjar runs, possibly some tier 2 as well.


If you have done enough merits to have 5 zerk merits you are probably sitting on 200-300k in imperial gold coins. Sell them, and buy better food! AT THE VERY LEAST buy squid or sole sushi instead of crab... I'd think meat mithkabobs would even be better.
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#6 Feb 18 2010 at 12:51 PM Rating: Default
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Yea no reason to eat Sushi / pizza at most events, Even subs are pretty cheap.

I can say though in Einherjar with Brd rotates , and sometimes + cor its hard not to be doin atleast 1k Kj's even right at 100% ive seen spikes of 2400+. But without insane buffs, 700~ average is probably where your going to be on most events with normal gear.
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SynthiaOfLeviathan wrote:


If you have done enough merits to have 5 zerk merits you are probably sitting on 200-300k in imperial gold coins. Sell them, and buy better food! AT THE VERY LEAST buy squid or sole sushi instead of crab... I'd think meat mithkabobs would even be better.


I get all my merits in Campaign ._.;. The only Imperial Standing I have is from the occasional Besieged I manage to participate in once a month when I happen to be on at the time Al Zhabi is invaded. Even then, I wind up using all those IS for Staging Point warps, or the occasional ISNM with friends.

Like I said, I consider myself semi-casual, as Einherjar is the only major event I solely use WAR for. I spend most of my time in a social shell with friends and we do Limbus and Nyzul once a week ourselves. In fact, we spammed 3 Kings Apollyon on our mage jobs to farm coins until we managed to get some more people sea just a couple of weeks ago.

I did use Sole Sushi/Yellow Curry Buns in Einherjar at first until my funds started dwindling. Only then did I resort to meat mithka/crab sushi (and that was when I dipped below 100k). I tend to run out of money pretty quickly from constantly restocking Holy Water, Icarus Wings, Remedies, Echo drops etc., lol. I felt so relieved when the Elshimo Pachira Fruit was added. That quickly replaced my slot for Poison Potions.
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#8 Feb 18 2010 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Your BRD doesn't use March/March?

On another note, Meat Mithkabobs will do more for you than Crab Sushi in your average Einherjar, and they're cheap.
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#9 Feb 18 2010 at 4:23 PM Rating: Good
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Sometimes we get double march, sometimes we get min/march. It depends on the bard and what mobs we're fighting. We have a pretty good track record for beating Einherjar so I guess everyone sticks with what they've been doing every time since it seems to work. I'll switch back to meat for a few runs and see how I do. Last time I remember eating meat over sushi, I remember getting annoyed that I wasn't hitting as often as I felt I should be while TPing. I'm also considering finally using a parser so I can get more definite and accurate results which will automatically help me decide how to gear/what to eat. I've just never been fond of the idea of using a parser before for some reason, probably because I know I'd get too caught up in numbers and my OCD would kick into God Mode. Hopefully I'll find one and figure out exactly how to use it by tomorrow, since we'll be doing Odin's Chamber. This way, I can contribute useful statistics and information to this thread.

Speaking of Odin's Chamber, considering Odin does the AoE mega dispel every 10%, how do you guys who do Ein generally compensate for that? Usually what I'll do is switch back and forth between combos of meat/aggressor and sushi/berserk every 10%. Is that fine/acceptable?
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#10 Feb 18 2010 at 5:01 PM Rating: Good
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Metakaiser wrote:
Speaking of Odin's Chamber, considering Odin does the AoE mega dispel every 10%, how do you guys who do Ein generally compensate for that? Usually what I'll do is switch back and forth between combos of meat/aggressor and sushi/berserk every 10%. Is that fine/acceptable?


Well I don't know what kind of support you'll have for Odin, but what we have for our main source of damage is 3 WAR/SAMs with a BRD, SCH, RDM backline. The BRD gives them 2 March and they spam Yellow Curry Buns or Coeurl Subs and between Aggressor and a THF dropping Feint on it everytime the timer is up, they don't report any bad ACC problems on him. The meat does seem to really affect their WS damage positively and does a lot to speed up the fight.

Edit: We also usually have 2 RNGs, a DRG and a THF for damage on Odin, so it's not like 3 WARs are killing him alone. Along with the RNG DRG THF damage, constant Angon and Feint help the WARs.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 6:02pm by NCCoda

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 6:05pm by NCCoda
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NCCoda wrote:
Metakaiser wrote:
Speaking of Odin's Chamber, considering Odin does the AoE mega dispel every 10%, how do you guys who do Ein generally compensate for that? Usually what I'll do is switch back and forth between combos of meat/aggressor and sushi/berserk every 10%. Is that fine/acceptable?


Well I don't know what kind of support you'll have for Odin, but what we have for our main source of damage is 3 WAR/SAMs with a BRD, SCH, RDM backline. The BRD gives them 2 March and they spam Yellow Curry Buns or Coeurl Subs and between Aggressor and a THF dropping Feint on it everytime the timer is up, they don't report any bad ACC problems on him. The meat does seem to really affect their WS damage positively and does a lot to speed up the fight.

Edit: We also usually have 2 RNGs, a DRG and a THF for damage on Odin, so it's not like 3 WARs are killing him alone. Along with the RNG DRG THF damage, constant Angon and Feint help the WARs.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 6:02pm by NCCoda

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 6:05pm by NCCoda



Speaking of Odin, does anyone know his defense and level off-hand? I know Kirin has 400 defense at level 92. As a base of comparison is your WS damage same, higher, lower on odin vs kirin?

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 5:58pm by doctorugh
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NCCoda wrote:

Well I don't know what kind of support you'll have for Odin, but what we have for our main source of damage is 3 WAR/SAMs with a BRD, SCH, RDM backline. The BRD gives them 2 March and they spam Yellow Curry Buns or Coeurl Subs and between Aggressor and a THF dropping Feint on it everytime the timer is up, they don't report any bad ACC problems on him. The meat does seem to really affect their WS damage positively and does a lot to speed up the fight.

Edit: We also usually have 2 RNGs, a DRG and a THF for damage on Odin, so it's not like 3 WARs are killing him alone. Along with the RNG DRG THF damage, constant Angon and Feint help the WARs.


Ahh I see. Thanks for your input. The shell I currently do Ein with is a mix of friends, members from multiple LS's, and even some pickup members, so the job spread varies quite a bit. Usually we'll have around 2 BRDs, a COR, a BLM party, RDMs and WHMs for healing and refresh, a THF pulling, a PLD/WAR main assist, and the DD are a mix of WAR SAM RNG MNK DRG. I honestly haven't paid much attention to whether Feint or Angon are used, but I'll certainly keep an eye out tomorrow during Odin. The leader of the shell always asks the melees to sub NIN, so that's definitely a factor in my damage. I'd rather sub SAM, and used to do so in another Ein LS a year ago, but the other LS was unable to reliably complete Einherjar, and often failed Tier 3, so they stopped doing it. I think in a span of 5 months, they were only able to do Odin once or twice.

Also, I just downloaded and installed KParser, and am familiarizing/fiddling/messing around with it. I will definitely be using it tomorrow during Odin and will post my results here afterward.

Edited, Feb 18th 2010 6:58pm by Metakaiser
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Our job setup also has a lot of variety to it, luckily my LS (which started as, and has remained, a group of my friends) has leveled jobs to allow us some flexibility to be the kind of Einherjar setup that nets us consistent wins.

We have our WARs come /NIN to regular Einherjar farming, since they call, and some moves like Fluid Spread are just a pain to constantly drop cures and can lead to MP issues. Having a regular Angon, Feint, and Tomahawk rotation (If the mob is affected by it, of course) can really help save time as well.

On Odin (for us, since we tend to go with 18-20 total) we have all the melee /SAM to speed up the fight. (Except the THF, being the only 1h DD we use on Odin).

@doctorugh, I do not know Odin's Defense, but I imagine it's lower than Kirins. Our WARs tend to do more WS damage than they do on Kirin. (For regular Kirin fights, not counting zergs obviously, they only have Haste/March/March as outside buffs on Odin).

I can find some parses and try to give you some averages. I'm always PLD for Odin so I have no personal data other than my own PLD vs. Odin numbers.
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If you have done enough merits to have 5 zerk merits you are probably sitting on 200-300k in imperial gold coins.
I had 0 in Imperial points.

Of course, most of my merits were done in Sky/Moon. I is am being olde ****. Git off mah lawn.
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Well, I did Odin just about earlier tonight and parsed the fight. I died twice at around 60% and wasn't able to get back into the fight until around 35%, but the parser I ran did catch whatever I was able to do. Just remember that this is only one instance and that the averages are based on a ridiculously small sample size, so clearly I'll need to record plenty more Odin fights to be able to provide worthwhile information. At least this time there's no eyeballing or memory involved!

Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Chibikaiser                  3018    46.11 %       7/0   100.00 %    109/1066   431.14 
 - King's Justice            2100    69.58 %       4/0   100.00 %    109/1066   525.00 
 - Raging Rush                342    11.33 %       1/0   100.00 %     342/342   342.00 
 - Steel Cyclone              576    19.09 %       2/0   100.00 %     262/314   288.00 


Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Chibikaiser            3527   53.89 %       59/7   89.39 %      6/90    45.88      9    89/189  137.00   15.25 %


  Weaponskills 
    King's Justice 
+     109:    1 
+     452:    1 
+^    473:    1 
+    1066:    1 
    Raging Rush 
+^    342:    1 
    Steel Cyclone 
+     262:    1 
+^    314:    1 


The high King's Justice was the one I used while I had Mighty Strikes up for the last 9% of Odin, so it skews the average towards the high end. The average without that MS'd KJ is 344.6 repeating. The low one I noticed only gave me back 2 TP, so I missed the first hit, which explains why I only got 109. Here is some more data:

Chibikaiser 
Buff                      Type      Min/Max    Average   Cr.Min/Max     Cr.Avg     Buff (In)Active% 
+             Berserk    Melee        11/90      55.14      122/189     154.50              57.63 % 
-             Berserk    Melee         6/67      34.09       89/119     102.00              42.37 % 
+             Berserk   WSkill     262/1066     519.00                                      71.43 % 
-             Berserk   WSkill      109/314     211.50                                      28.57 % 
+              Warcry    Melee        32/90      61.20          0/0       0.00              16.95 % 
-              Warcry    Melee         6/89      42.05       89/189     137.00              83.05 % 
+              Warcry   WSkill      109/262     185.50                                      28.57 % 
-              Warcry   WSkill     314/1066     529.40                                      71.43 % 
+          Chaos Roll    Melee         6/90      43.81       89/189     140.33              54.24 % 
-          Chaos Roll    Melee         7/89      48.13       98/174     130.33              45.76 % 
+          Chaos Roll   WSkill     262/1066     593.33                                      42.86 % 
-          Chaos Roll   WSkill      109/473     309.50                                      57.14 % 
+             Dia III    Melee        11/90      45.74      189/189     189.00              40.68 % 
-             Dia III    Melee         6/89      46.00       89/174     130.50              59.32 % 
+             Dia III   WSkill      109/452     274.33                                      42.86 % 
-             Dia III   WSkill     314/1066     548.75                                      57.14 %


Also, during the run we had one THF, who used Feint once at the very end for the last 9% that was zerged. I stuck to my tactic of switching between meat and aggressor and zerk + sushi every 10%, while I was alive. I will definitely be parsing future Einherjars to gather more data. Its actually pretty fun and interesting to be able to analyze the game this way. I should have started sooner!

Edit: Just for those who are curious to what gear I use, here it is.

TP Gear Set
KJ Gear Set
RR Gear Set
SC Gear Set

Edited, Feb 19th 2010 11:28pm by Metakaiser
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Next time, for consistency's sake, do an equal amount of each weapon skill and disregard the Mighty Strikes + Warrior Charge Uber Ender one.
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Did a Tier 2 Einherjar tonight. Since ENM finally put out, I upgraded a couple equipment pieces (forager's instead of amemet+1 and a flame ring for weaponskills instead of ulthalam's), and bought some marinara pizza. Had a BRD in my party this time giving Minuet and March. I also did 7 of each weaponskill for a better idea of average ws damage. We fought spiders, ghosts, and the Corse boss. Here are my results:

 
Weaponskill Damage 
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg 
Chibikaiser                 14098    42.45 %      21/1    95.45 %     352/996   671.33 
 - King's Justice            4768    33.82 %       7/0   100.00 %     512/836   681.14 
 - Raging Rush               5075    36.00 %       7/0   100.00 %     406/996   725.00 
 - Steel Cyclone             4255    30.18 %       7/1    87.50 %     352/924   607.86 


 
Melee Damage 
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit% 
Chibikaiser           19116   57.55 %     154/18   89.53 %     0/221   117.18     17     0/291  180.18   11.04 % 


 
  Weaponskills 
    King's Justice 
+     512:    1 
+     523:    1 
+     681:    1 
+^    682:    1 
+     705:    1 
+     829:    1 
+     836:    1 
    Raging Rush 
+     406:    1 
+     589:    1 
+     619:    1 
+^    711:    1 
+     792:    1 
+     962:    1 
+     996:    1 
    Steel Cyclone 
+     352:    1 
+     405:    1 
+     447:    1 
+^    503:    1 
+     767:    1 
+     857:    1 
+     924:    1 


 
Chibikaiser 
Buff                      Type      Min/Max    Average   Cr.Min/Max     Cr.Avg     Buff (In)Active% 
+             Berserk    Melee        0/221     126.24      159/266     213.90              67.53 % 
-             Berserk    Melee        0/191      97.35        0/291     132.00              32.47 % 
+             Berserk   WSkill      405/996     701.13                                      76.19 % 
-             Berserk   WSkill      352/924     576.00                                      23.81 % 
+              Warcry    Melee       96/168     120.29      194/291     237.00               6.49 % 
-              Warcry    Melee        0/221     117.01        0/266     168.00              93.51 % 
+              Warcry   WSkill      589/589     589.00                                       4.76 % 
-              Warcry   WSkill      352/996     675.45                                      95.24 % 
+     Valor Minuet IV    Melee       68/221     130.79      176/291     231.00              77.27 % 
-     Valor Minuet IV    Melee        0/115      64.18        0/194     107.57              22.73 % 
+     Valor Minuet IV   WSkill      405/996     699.53                                      80.95 % 
-     Valor Minuet IV   WSkill      352/829     551.50                                      19.05 % 
+             Dia III    Melee        0/221     121.24        0/291     178.06              79.22 % 
-             Dia III    Melee       12/174     103.29      214/214     214.00              20.78 % 
+             Dia III   WSkill      352/996     695.75                                      76.19 % 
-             Dia III   WSkill      405/792     593.20                                      23.81 % 
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