Augmentable GaxeFollow

I wouldn't hold my breath, especially with how random the Augment system is. It has a chance of overtaking Byakko's maybe, but I highly doubt Perdu is in any trouble.

I assume you meant Fourth, so provisional FTFY.

I forget where but I think it was an official SE release, one potential augment was Damage +4 on a Scythe (528 delay model, Death/Vassago's Scythe lookin' one). Since the delays are somewhat equal, it wouldn't be impossible to imagine Damage +3 to 4. Unfortunately then the question becomes how reliably you would come about such an augment. Even if you did get the pure Damage augment, it would need a second modifier to match Byakko's Attack +5 and occasional Enaero effect.

Perhaps Damage up with Delay down or Acc/Att up would match Byakko's, but one would be wiser to get a Perdu Voulge from Nyzul runs as two such augments seem to be unreliable.

Given that the augments for weapons are meant to be random, I'm putting on my "idc" face. I have better things to spend my time on than spamming a quest hoping to get an item which may or may not compare with what I already have.

Though on a related note, I feel really bad for blms, cor, and nins. Blm get a scythe; cor get a weapon with worse base stats than their AF gun; ninja get a low-delay katana with worse damage mainhanded than Perdu katana has. Way to fail, SE.

There have been Macc+10 augments on a SCH staff, it could potentially not be absolute horse sh*t. You could get a good augement.

I saw a GK with Store TP+11, Accuracy +6, and some Water Dmg... if we could get Store TP and Acc on this... then that would be awesome...

however, i am probably going to bet that each weapon will be molded to the Job that can hold it... so War might have some Double Attack, Accuracy, Attack... hopefully some combination of all of these or even some Haste ^^

one can dream *shrug*

Kheten, same as Byakko's Axe

Edited, Jul 22nd 2009 10:49am by Nilatai

From BG



so, how you doin?

post with image of gaxe

Said the wind damage was procing at ~8-9 damage, and was near 100%, so, baring colibri, think it'd give Perdu a run for it's money, DoTwise? Bare minimum it's better for WS damage


if the augments can get better....

Edited, Jul 22nd 2009 1:17pm by Jinte

The 97/Wind Damage +9 vs. Byakko's: Obviously this depends on how much the wind damage on Byakko's is (and how often it goes off). As far as straight melee damage, it's a little under 3% ahead (2.8-2.9%, depending on fSTR) - which is probably only going to be ~7 damage a hit. Since the wind damage goes off practically every hit, that requires Byakko's to average less than 16 wind damage per hit. (If it goes off ~50% of the time, the hits with added damage need to add at least 32 damage.)

97/WD+9 vs. Perdu: Depends on what your average hit is for; the higher your average hit, the better Perdu looks. (If you're averaging under ~160/hit, quit eating sushi Perdu won't catch up.)

EDIT: gah, tagfix.

Edited, Jul 22nd 2009 1:46pm by MDenham

That's pretty hawt.

Just saw a screenshot of an axe with this:

DMG +5, Str +3, Double Attack +1

meh.. it is ok.. but if that Double Attack could be 5% then that is great.

Well i tried this 5 times lastnight, really only had one decent Augment offered to me it was
Dmg +6 att +6 Additional Effect: Slow +12
that was offered to me first and i passed not knowing else we can really get. the other 4 were much much worse Augments ended up not taking one at all ill definatly try again.

add effect = on the enemy. that alone would be worthwhile if you ever WAR/DNC solo or do duo/trio type things without a RDM.

ADMIN EDIT: Knock that sh*t off. you know better than that. If I see it again you are going on vacation.

Edited, Aug 12th 2009 8:41pm by Kaolian

+10 Macc on a staff is 'absolute horse sh*t', only saving grace of the mage ones is that they have a chance of having fast cast which would make them a nice macro swap for buff rotations.

So far the only augmented weapons that might give status quo weapons a run for their money are the BOW and GKT. Pet jobs like DRG and PUP are finding -pet dmg taken and SMN's are getting great staves with -BP and -perpetuation and pet MAB. Sadly the gax, scythe, axe, katana and thf daggers have all seemed lack luster in the dmg department compared to the status quo weapons we allready have (perdu, moli, senji etc)

"Worthwhile" = Worse than the cheap and plentiful level 51 Staves!

The presence of Fast Cast on mage weapons is kinda awesome, for the types who write macros that use that stuff at the start, then swap "real" gear in mid-cast. +Enhancing skill on sch weapons is also quite nice. There are definitely some real winners for mages.

What kind of stats would you need on the G.Axe for it to beat Perdu's 5acc 10att?

For example, would 1 base damage and 2 double attack be enough?

We know from BG screens so far that the known max for each category is DMG+6 (base damage 97), STR+5, Double Attack+2, Att+5.

Edited, Jul 26th 2009 9:16pm by mazmaz

Let's see what the effective difference is:

Base damage: +2~3 (75% 2, 25% 3)
Attack: -1~2 (75% 1, 25% 2)
Accuracy: -5
DA: +2

The base damage increase is going to be somewhat under 2%, as is the DA+. (Total it lands somewhere in the general range of 3.5%.)

Accuracy is going to be at least a 2.6% loss (dropping from capped to capped-minus-5). If the attack is enough to drop your damage by more than 0.8%, you're sitting at below 266 attack (which means "no, it won't drop your damage by that much").

I'll leave it to someone else to figure things with a "normal" build as to how high your hit rate needs to be for this to win over Perdu, but with ideal augments (that'll never happen) it should if you're capping accuracy with Perdu (but only marginally - the ~0.4% you're looking at amounts to an extra 1 damage per hit).

no

If they were, we'd see at least one with Double Attack -2% +2 Earth Resist. And I would laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

It's because BG is full of "fail-litism".

The world is a dark, and lonely place.

Not sure how many people seen this but Erlking's Kheten seems to have 3 base augment slots (no one's seen more than 3) in which so far you get:

1st slot:
+1-6 damage

2nd & 3rd slot:
+3-5 str
+5-7 att
+1-2 DA
enspell +10-20 (Not all elements have been confirmed)
en-disease +6
resist slow +1-3

Enspell damage seems to trigger about an estimated 55-75% for an average of 75-80% the base + to enspell (all the tests have been small samples on weaker monsters for the most part.)

Personally I'm not 100% given the enspell damage vs DA but I think the one I'd strive for is.

97 damage, 504 delay, +5 str, +2 DA

There's just sooooooo many Sams now. As for the Pup weapon I don't really cares except like 2-3 people posting but the Smn staff is only beaten by Mythic and even then mythic doesn't have -BP which is like haste for Smn damage.