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#1 May 11 2009 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
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Hey guys,

Just wondering, do you use sushi while dual weilding axes at birds? Pizza at mamools right?

Also,

DW+3% and ACC+10 for nuevo?

And finally,

I have a joyeuse right now. I will never get a ridill in my life. Would it better to get man/woods or man/joy?

Thanks.

Edited, May 11th 2009 6:35pm by Eladriek
#2 May 11 2009 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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Man/joy > axe/axe

That Nuevo is fine.
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#3 May 11 2009 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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Do I have to merit sword too then? -_-
#4 May 11 2009 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Very highly recommended to merit sword. Merit axe too if you're going to make a dual wield setup. Remember that warrior's skill in sword is a B, which caps at 250 at lvl 75. 8 merits and a suppa would bump you to 271 skill, a over A- skill.

Edit: All of this assumes you want to make a DW setup instead of going with a Gaxe. I personally would just say merit gax and choose a different nuevo, but whatever.

Edited, May 11th 2009 7:55pm by GTalbot
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#5 May 11 2009 at 4:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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For dual wield, that armor is fine and yes you will need to merit swords.
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#6 May 11 2009 at 5:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh yeah, I got g.axe to lv.8..

I just HATE to use G.AXE with /nin sub.

So I'll get Axe to 8 and sword to 4.

I will need to eat sushi, correct?

Edited, May 11th 2009 9:42pm by Eladriek
#7 May 11 2009 at 6:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eladriek wrote:
I will need to eat sushi, correct?
The idea is that you wear enough accuracy to eat attack(headgeon pie for example, or mithkabobs with birds), if you can't get a decent hit rate w/o sushi is better to recheck your gear or in the worst case just switch to GAxe.

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#8 May 11 2009 at 6:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eladriek wrote:
I just HATE to use G.AXE with /nin sub.

I've never understood the mentality behind this.

Gax doesn't really become worse when you change subs. The question then becomes: can you get your dual wielding better than your Gax setup?

I dunno, it bothers me that people see /nin and think, "I've got the ability to use dual wield so by god I'm going to dual wield."


And I think kenage meant hedgehog pie (not headgeon pie? unless that was deliberate).
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#9 May 11 2009 at 8:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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[quote=Eladriek]
And I think kenage meant hedgehog pie (not headgeon pie? unless that was deliberate).
thx ya I ment hedgehog, I learned a new word today =D I didn't even know that hedgehog had a meaning ^^ I thought it was some monster name or something XD... ya go laugh I deserve it - -

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#10 May 11 2009 at 11:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Eladriek wrote:
So I'll get Axe to 8 and sword to 4.
Assuming you have a Suppa, 1Axe and 7Sword will put them on the same skill #.
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#11 May 12 2009 at 5:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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GTalbot wrote:
Eladriek wrote:
I just HATE to use G.AXE with /nin sub.
I've never understood the mentality behind this.
Well, I did, too. The mentality is that you have a subjob that actually does enhance you offensively while using a great axe in /SAM, and has okay defensive abilities tied to it. Then you have /NIN that has excellent defensive capabilities and zero offensive when it comes to great axe. It definitely feels like a sacrifice. Though, admittedly I preferred /NIN anyway because I have WWADD (Warrior Weapon Attention Deficit Disorder) in that I liked switching weapons almost every other mob. /NIN just made that easier.
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#12 May 12 2009 at 5:20 AM Rating: Decent
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When it comes to the defensive aspect from your sub job.
What gives you /NIN > Utsusmi Ni and Ichi
What gives you /SAM > Seigan Third Eye combo

The first one is very effective and even allow you to tank.
The second one save your *** from a few hit but that's all. This is not really reliable sadly.

So yea /SAM offer Hasso when you don't take hit and Meditate for more Weaponskill spamming. But those two abilities tend to have you "tank" more often and so limit your self to Seigan and makes you a MP sponge since Third Eye isn't reliable compared to Utsusemi.

Conclusion, as always it is ************* You have to know your party setup and target and choose the more effective sub job.

I hit recently 74 but even before I've done most of my 70-74 party with a /nin sub just because it was more effective in different aspect during those.


But it's true that as everyone I prefer /SAM when using GAxe ;)

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#13 May 12 2009 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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kenage wrote:
headgeon pie
A Haubergeon in hedgehog-pie form?
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Neraya wrote:
When it comes to the defensive aspect from your sub job.
What gives you /NIN > Utsusmi Ni and Ichi
What gives you /SAM > Seigan Third Eye combo

The first one is very effective and even allow you to tank.
The second one save your *** from a few hit but that's all. This is not really reliable sadly.

So yea /SAM offer Hasso when you don't take hit and Meditate for more Weaponskill spamming. But those two abilities tend to have you "tank" more often and so limit your self to Seigan and makes you a MP sponge since Third Eye isn't reliable compared to Utsusemi.

Conclusion, as always it is sh*tuational. You have to know your party setup and target and choose the more effective sub job.

I hit recently 74 but even before I've done most of my 70-74 party with a /nin sub just because it was more effective in different aspect during those.


But it's true that as everyone I prefer /SAM when using GAxe ;)

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You forgot 6 hit, which is more important than meditate.
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#15 May 12 2009 at 9:37 AM Rating: Excellent
No one has said this yet, but I think that putting 8 into sword and 4 into axe will give you better results than the other way round. Your sword will need the boost more.

And wear enough acc to eat meat. If that means going out and buying a PCC and a fire bomblet, get farming.
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#16 May 12 2009 at 10:37 AM Rating: Good
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Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
No one has said this yet, but I think that putting 8 into sword and 4 into axe will give you better results than the other way round. Your sword will need the boost more.

And wear enough acc to eat meat. If that means going out and buying a PCC and a fire bomblet, get farming.
We've addressed this! This one guy said something good about it.

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Eladriek wrote:
So I'll get Axe to 8 and sword to 4.
Assuming you have a Suppa, 1Axe and 7Sword will put them on the same skill.


See?

Yes, what Mojo said about gear. Also, Haubergeon +1 should be first on everyone's "What awesome gear do I need?" list.
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#17 May 12 2009 at 2:28 PM Rating: Excellent
Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
No one has said this yet, but I think that putting 8 into sword and 4 into axe will give you better results than the other way round. Your sword will need the boost more.
We've addressed this! This one guy said something good about it.

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Eladriek wrote:
So I'll get Axe to 8 and sword to 4.
Assuming you have a Suppa, 1Axe and 7Sword will put them on the same skill.

These arent the same Smiley: tongue
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#18 May 12 2009 at 2:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
No one has said this yet, but I think that putting 8 into sword and 4 into axe will give you better results than the other way round. Your sword will need the boost more.
We've addressed this! This one guy said something good about it.

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Eladriek wrote:
So I'll get Axe to 8 and sword to 4.
Assuming you have a Suppa, 1Axe and 7Sword will put them on the same skill.

These arent the same Smiley: tongue
That's cuz urdoinitwrong!
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#19 May 12 2009 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
8 sword is doinitwrong?
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[quote=Eladriek]
And I think kenage meant hedgehog pie (not headgeon pie? unless that was deliberate).
thx ya I ment hedgehog, I learned a new word today =D I didn't even know that hedgehog had a meaning ^^ I thought it was some monster name or something XD... ya go laugh I deserve it - -

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#21 May 12 2009 at 8:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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GTalbot wrote:
[quote=Eladriek]
And I think kenage meant hedgehog pie (not headgeon pie? unless that was deliberate).
thx ya I ment hedgehog, I learned a new word today =D I didn't even know that hedgehog had a meaning ^^ I thought it was some monster name or something XD... ya go laugh I deserve it - -

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Ya Ken Smiley: smile

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Ya that name came to my mind when I saw the definition in google. xD
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#22 May 13 2009 at 12:25 AM Rating: Good
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RedshiftOnPandy wrote:
You forgot 6 hit, which is more important than meditate.
(True Strike) ^^
My point was compare defence aspect for both sub more than attack. I'll put it more simple.

If I have to voke (tank) then /nin is better, if not well go go go /sam.
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Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
8 sword is doinitwrong?
Meh, not exactly. I've just always liked the idea of, using two different weapons, but having the same Acc/Att for both. Just means I can be lazier when I gear up tbh. 8Sword 1Axe is fine too.
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#24 May 13 2009 at 4:16 AM Rating: Good
Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
8 sword is doinitwrong?
Meh, not exactly. I've just always liked the idea of, using two different weapons, but having the same Acc/Att for both. Just means I can be lazier when I gear up tbh. 8Sword 1Axe is fine too.
Let's meet halfway and go 8sword 2axe.

BTW, I'm not meriting sword or axe.
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Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
Monsieur MojoVIII wrote:
8 sword is doinitwrong?
Meh, not exactly. I've just always liked the idea of, using two different weapons, but having the same Acc/Att for both. Just means I can be lazier when I gear up tbh. 8Sword 1Axe is fine too.
Let's meet halfway and go 8sword 2axe.

BTW, I'm not meriting sword or axe.
Okay that works. Me either, but still. Smiley: grin
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#27 May 14 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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why is man/joy better than axe/axe?
#28 May 14 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
Simple really, DoT of Joytoy is better than that of woody/I.R, and with boost to DA in your offhand, you'll be able to weaponskill more often. true your ws will average slightly less damage, and your build will need to be more acc heavy, and it'll take a specific merit build, but this is the case.
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#29 May 14 2009 at 6:38 AM Rating: Good
Eladriek wrote:
why is man/joy better than axe/axe?


"Occasionally attacks twice" ..... a LOT. It gives you better DOT if you have a Suppa, sufficient ACC and enough sword merits.
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