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#1 May 09 2009 at 11:43 PM Rating: Good
It's late and this one guy is taking forever to get to camp and this question flashed across my mind. You can only have one! But which? Desire for item, prestige of item, or usefulness of item are all fair game.

I should probably give this thread a rail from which to de-.

Too bad I'm wasted and that's how I got tricked into meriting! Happy hunting!
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#2 May 09 2009 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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Only 1, Ares's Cuirass 100% it's way more useful for a multitude of jobs. Adaberk is probably overall a bit easier to gear around but it can only be used for 3 jobs max.

Edited, May 10th 2009 12:47am by OrsonBastokChampion
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#3 May 10 2009 at 12:11 AM Rating: Good
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obligatory note that einherjar has made adaberk obtainable for all players.

beyond that, if i were a WAR i think i'd take adaberk. yeah. (shrug)
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#4 May 10 2009 at 5:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Adaberk for TP, most WS
Ares for Steel Cyclone, one hit WS or Nyzul

That's about it. However, if I can only pick one, I pick Ares's (kinda already did: have ares, no ebody) just because of how ridiculous king camping is unless you're in a LS with a mega bot. How random Einherjar can be + so dependent on having 30+ people rather than 20+ and ability (Unless you get really lucky). Salvage on the other hand, takes skills and strategy, not numbers.

Ebody - sign of any ****** that can bot
Ares - sign of a true player with skills and dedication

Even if Ebody is statistically better for most situations.



ps. and this is everything that is wrong with the game.

pps. lol @ rate down from **** hurt ebody owners. Sorry for pointing out that 5-6 year old event requires no skill at all.

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#5 May 10 2009 at 5:22 AM Rating: Excellent
I'm a pretty dedicated war player. I don't think I'll level another DD for a good while, although I've enjoyed low level sam. So E.Body for me, just because I'd get better use out of it.
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#6 May 10 2009 at 9:12 AM Rating: Good
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Ebody is better for mamools and above. Ares is only really good for DRG (if they don't need Aurum for 6 hit), DRG/BLU soloing and for PLD it's a toss up (with ballads and refresh you don't need more refresh on anything).

Edited, May 10th 2009 1:12pm by RedshiftOnPandy
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#7 May 10 2009 at 9:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ares' easily, because I have DRG.
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#8 May 10 2009 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Ebody:

-Best tp body for war and drk
-Best WS piece for Rampage, Raging Rush or King's Justice


Abody

-Best WS piece for Steel Cyclone
-Best TP piece for DRG
-Has use on both WAR and DRK, but is surpassed by a hauby +1 on tp


Truth be told, it depends more on the jobs you use than the piece itself.
#9 May 10 2009 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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bsphil wrote:
Ares' easily, because I have DRG.
DERG.
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#10 May 10 2009 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ares' easily, because I have DRG.
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On topic, E.Body is clearly better because it has Accuracy on it. Lots and lots of lovely jubbley Accuracy. The thing has enough DD force behind it to sink a battleship. I'd still take Ares because I'm a DRG like Phil, but THIS IS WARRIOR FORUM so E.Body wins by default.

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Edited, May 10th 2009 6:30pm by Lucinus
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#11 May 10 2009 at 12:49 PM Rating: Good
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Well I really wish I could have both cause I'm in the process of leveling Drg but Adaberk is just so **** awesome. I'm tied for first in my Einherjar shell for E body so hopefully I get lucky here really soon. It's going to be sad though when I have Adaberk and no Byakkos ************** my screwy play schedule.
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#12 May 10 2009 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well I really wish I could have both cause I'm in the process of leveling Drg but Adaberk is just so **** awesome. I'm tied for first in my Einherjar shell for E body so hopefully I get lucky here really soon. It's going to be sad though when I have Adaberk and no Byakkos ************** my screwy play schedule.

Now you can do Einherjar AND get an Ares's Cuirass!
Too bad DRG can't use it :(. What a mistake.
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If you had to choose 1 as a War, E Body is the easy choice.
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#14 May 10 2009 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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E.body just because blue war looks so freaking cool(in before it's purple)

And for those with Drg(or leveling it) if you are going to spend that much money and effort for Ares why don't replace it with Askar for a while until you can get Aurum which is clearly superior for most(all?) Polearms?

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#15 May 10 2009 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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I want Ares on Drg for soloing. Thats what I mostly plan on using it for and having the refresh would really help in doing some of the tougher solos. In parties I would be fine with using Askar if I didnt have Ares, but having Ares for Drg solo would just be awesome.

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#16 May 10 2009 at 8:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Just a few things Hauby+1 does not out do Ares Body unless you have like 0 merits. In most situations if you're properly merited Ares is as good for damage as E.Body. The place E.body really shines is on most HNMs and other higher evasion mobs.

Secondly a toss up for Pld? Refresh, HP, MP, high Def/Vit, and high Str/Att. It is the best idle body for Pld by a long shot. How can you too much refresh?
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#17 May 10 2009 at 8:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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OrsonBastokChampion wrote:
Just a few things Hauby+1 does not out do Ares Body unless you have like 0 merits. In most situations if you're properly merited Ares is as good for damage as E.Body. The place E.body really shines is on most HNMs and other higher evasion mobs.

Secondly a toss up for Pld? Refresh, HP, MP, high Def/Vit, and high Str/Att. It is the best idle body for Pld by a long shot. How can you too much refresh?


"properly merited" means "cap ACC everywhere" now i see.

(sarcasm aside, 16ACC vs 6STR 17ATT, the former will win if ACC is uncapped. rough justification: 1ACC is about as good as 3ATT, and 1STR is about as good as 2ATT. 16*3 is 48. 6*2+17 is 29. going to adaman, it's 22ACC vs 2STR 11ATT. unless ACC caps--and even if you go a bit over--adaman is the easy winner. aggressor would have something to say to all this, but still i think adaberk will be doing more for you everywhere except bird camp--and at bird camp if you're not "properly merited")
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#18 May 10 2009 at 9:13 PM Rating: Good
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OrsonBastokChampion wrote:
Just a few things Hauby+1 does not out do Ares Body unless you have like 0 merits. In most situations if you're properly merited Ares is as good for damage as E.Body. The place E.body really shines is on most HNMs and other higher evasion mobs.
if you think so, you have no idea of how the damage works in this game, 24 attack are at best 5~% increased DoT but you know what ares is just 9 attack above E.body which accounts at best for 1.3~% DoT.

E.body on the other hand gives you 22.5 accuracy which returns at least 13.4% DoT on non caped situations.

Capped accuracy you said?

a) You are on birds in which case change to polearm and tier the things apart, it will be a far better trade than 9 attack and 2 Str

or...

b) You are eyeballing and your impressions need to be corrected by some real data, my recommendation start using this.

Either case not just E.body but a cheap hauby will over damage Ares easily.

OrsonBastokChampion wrote:
Secondly a toss up for Pld? Refresh, HP, MP, high Def/Vit, and high Str/Att. It is the best idle body for Pld by a long shot. How can you too much refresh?
Aside the fact that Pld matters should be discussed in Pld's forums that's why I said it's a nice idle body for Pld, and I said just "nice" because if you need tp for atonement Homam corazza or Hauby will be far better than Ares(12~15 acc >>>>> 24 att everywhere on EndGame), however as well there are multitude of situations where Refresh will be more desirable and Ares is the indisputable champion there, but again for War Ares isn't anything more than a good looking toy.

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#19 May 11 2009 at 5:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Probably would only use Ares on PLD when soloing, every HNM would rather melee in Homam body (or haubergeon +1) for Atonement TP. Don't bring up DEF/VIT as a strength to Ares for PLD /sigh

Edited, May 11th 2009 9:14am by RedshiftOnPandy
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#20 May 11 2009 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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E.Body is easily the best. Ares might have slightly more STR/att on it, but almost anything you do thats of importance, you ACC is'nt capped.

Most ppl don't have the chance to go after both bodies, and imo, camping kings and Salvage will take you a long long time to get either body pieces, so if your serious about getting one of them, do the event (or events) that you enjoy the most because neither one will happen by chance like a Dyna drop or suming.

If you do get/wear Ares, the ACC can be made up else where, and its still a powerful body piece for whatever job you wear it for.

12STR is a ~3.2% Increase in Base Dmg, 30Att (going from say 450 to 480) raises DoT by 6.67%, meaning Ares is a ~10% addition to your DMG, which is no joke.

The real sad thing about it is however, unless you can match the lost ACC up from Hauby, and you Acc Is 89% or below, Hauby will equal Ares as a TP piece, the lower you ACC then gets, Haub overtakes Ares.
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30Att (going from say 450 to 480) raises DoT by 6.67%
It's a 6.67% increase in ATK, but not damage. pDIF says so
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Calculating it as just an Attack increase isn't accurate, to be sure, but then again I do it myself when I can't be bothered to perform calculations for cRatio and just want to lowball a rough estimate.
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RedshiftOnPandy wrote:
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30Att (going from say 450 to 480) raises DoT by 6.67%
It's a 6.67% increase in ATK, but not damage. pDIF says so


cRatio says so too; level correction makes the biggest difference here.

since,

30/450 = 6.67%, sure, but

450/327-.35 = 1.026
480/327-.35 = 1.117
and .091/1.026 = 8.86%

vs EM, ATTincrease/baseATT is about the DoT increase, but once mobs are higher, you really need to add level correction. i mean, look at the same increase vs kirin:

450/413-.85 = .239
480/413-.85 = .312
.073/.239 = 30.5%

nonetheless, adaman is almost always better as sandmasterr asserted.
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There's a difference between using a calculator and reality. Many times in merits you're people are over capped on acc. I'm around +80% acc without agg up and with agg fully merited I'm at around +90% acc all but 1:10 min. Not only that if you party with a good group of people you should be using hasso 90% of the time. Again I'm not eyeballing anything in most situations (not HNM) Ares vs E.body is a minuscule difference in damage. To say that a NQ Hauby would out damage an Ares's Body is ludicrous.

The thing is the main reason to use Ares's Cuirass on War is to use a Rune Chopper build. Here are examples of the different builds:

http://ffxigear.com/?ref=5065

http://ffxigear.com/?ref=5068

Ok now that I've illustrated the fact the builds are very close. Which is easier to achieve? Obviously I know optimally the max haste e.body build will the edge because of Perdu's base damage, I'm not stupid but HQ haste gear like Dusk and Unicorn is incredibly expensive. Thus with Ares's Cuirass not only you have an awesome body for many jobs you also have the ability to cap out haste very easily. Ya you could argue that you can just use e.body and get a Rdm to refresh you but most won't and you shouldn't expect them to be able to in most situations.

The thing is really the option is only one I just think Ares's is really the useful outta the two and easier to build around. E.Body is something as War you definitely strive it's an excellent piece.


Edited, May 11th 2009 5:52pm by OrsonBastokChampion
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30Att (going from say 450 to 480) raises DoT by 6.67%

It's a 6.67% increase in ATK, but not damage. pDIF says so


I actually used colibri (w/o lvl cor) to calculate it, should have noted. I didn't realize however, how much of a gain 30Att can be on mobs with higher defense (one of those things that should be obvious to anyone). Nice post Pahn.

It Just goes to show that things really are not black or white in just about anything we do.

If you find yourself fighting a mob that Isn't particularly evasive, but has bags of defense (PLD's), guess which body piece will own.


EDIT: Also, 2 years ago, we did'nt have the magnitude of sidegrades that we have available now (Presumably this trend will continue too). Its good to make a variety of builds, for example, just becasue you buy a Cuchulain's Mantle, doesn't mean you should sell your Amemet/Foragers Mantle.







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