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#1 Mar 21 2009 at 9:28 PM Rating: Sub-Default
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Ok guys, my war is now 32, and im trying to decide which job I want to take to 75... I have gotten it down to war, sam, and mnk... now what im looking for is a job that is wanted for pts, does high DoT, and high WS damage. So, how do these jobs compare with
1) DoT
2) WS damage
3) Easily gets parties
4) Fun
5) Expense
6) Ease of being good
#2 Mar 21 2009 at 9:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ok guys, my war is now 32, and im trying to decide which job I want to take to 75... I have gotten it down to war, sam, and mnk... now what im looking for is a job that is wanted for pts, does high DoT, and high WS damage. So, how do these jobs compare with
1) DoT
2) WS damage
3) Easily gets parties
4) Fun
5) Expense
6) Ease of being good


1) DoT --- MNK > WAR > SAM

2) WS damage --- SAM > WAR > MNK

3) Easily gets parties --- SAM = WAR > MNK (slightly

4) Fun --- How can we tell you what you're going to find fun?

5) Expense --- Each job has their expensive pieces, roughly equal

6) Ease of being good --- You get good at something by doing it, no job is easier




Edited, Mar 22nd 2009 1:51am by spicychickenzz
#3 Mar 21 2009 at 10:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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WAR would probably be your best bet from what you want. but level what you enjoy and not what does the most damage blah blah blah. cause everything is opinionated and situtational. but you'll probably get more use out of WAR.
besides who doesn't enjoy hitting thing with a large axe.
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#4 Mar 22 2009 at 2:44 AM Rating: Decent
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spicychickenzz wrote:

2) WS damage --- SAM > WAR > MNK

Can't be easily sliced like this.
SAM is about WS frequency. WAR is about steady high WS damage. MNK WS is... well **** that, MNK can do more damage from DoT rather than WS. In this case, I agree it's on the 3rd.

It's all a different scenario if we talk about acc/atk bonus'd WS vs critical based WS vs accuracy based WS from a weapon that strong against certain enemy.
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#5 Mar 22 2009 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Currently Samurai has a very good reputation, that will probably be the easiest to get parties on.

Personally, I've got war at 75, but not the others. At the high-end (75 full merits, great gear), warrior has the most potential. The top 3 spots in einherjar parses always goto warriors (for my linkshell anyway). Just don't get tricked into thinking that axe/axe or anything involving ridill is better than great axe.
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#6 Mar 22 2009 at 10:03 AM Rating: Good
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The top 3 spots in einherjar parses always goto warriors (for my linkshell anyway).
No two parses are ever the same. I've seen three different parses from the same Einherjar, and each was a little different. Our shell has a WAR/NIN as main assist. Guess what, he does the most damage by 1%. Getting to engage first means a lot.

As to the OP, I have all three leveled, and I love them all. Each one is enjoyable in their own way. As for total damage POTENETIAL, keep in mind that potential is often not achieved in this game. Generally for the purpose of staying alive. WAR/SAM and MNK/WAR are incredibly fun ways to play the job, but you must be sure the situation allows for that subjob.
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#7 Mar 22 2009 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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spicychickenzz wrote:
unfocusedmonk wrote:
Ok guys, my war is now 32, and im trying to decide which job I want to take to 75... I have gotten it down to war, sam, and mnk... now what im looking for is a job that is wanted for pts, does high DoT, and high WS damage. So, how do these jobs compare with
1) DoT
2) WS damage
3) Easily gets parties
4) Fun
5) Expense
6) Ease of being good


1) DoT --- MNK > WAR > SAM

2) WS damage --- SAM > WAR > MNK

3) Easily gets parties --- SAM = WAR > MNK (slightly

4) Fun --- How can we tell you what you're going to find fun?

5) Expense --- Each job has their expensive pieces, roughly equal

6) Ease of being good --- You get good at something by doing it, no job is easier




Edited, Mar 22nd 2009 1:51am by spicychickenzz


this is pretty accurate (especially the important ones, (4),(5),(6)). (1) should always be accurate, while (2) is a little complicated... it's usually true, but my MNK will probably do more WS damage than an average WAR, while an excellent WAR could conceivably out WS my SAM (which is also good:P, and of course would also out WS my MNK). if you mean spike damage, RNG or DRK is probably the job for you, though high-end WAR (and to some degree SAM) spike pretty high. however, overall WS damage is ultimately more important to your party than spike damage.

no job will instantly make you shine above other DD. you'll need to put in effort to make gil and learn about stats if you want to do a lot of damage. once you put in a lot of work, high end MNKs, SAMs, WARs all shine in both DoT and WS (though MNK do less WS damage). WAR is definitely the most balanced of the three, which is part of why i suspect WAR/SAM has the highest damage potential of (non-level5 relic) jobs. when maximized or whatever, WAR/SAM's DoT approaches that of a good MNK and its WS damage approaches or surpasses that of a good SAM. best of both worlds.

anyway, you should play whatever you find fun.

(edit: i would never fully admit that WAR/SAM should outdo (the rarely seen due to too much power and not enough survivability) MNK/WAR, but going from 60% to 70% haste is a very big deal)

Edited, Mar 22nd 2009 2:17pm by milich
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#8 Mar 22 2009 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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To the OP im also leveling a warrior and its close to your level and some advice is just do what you find fun. Also if you do choose sam because of its reputation please dont gimp it and wonder why your not getting any invites.
#9 Mar 22 2009 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
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To the OP im also leveling a warrior and its close to your level and some advice is just do what you find fun. Also if you do choose sam because of its reputation please dont gimp it and wonder why your not getting any invites.
Please, morons who TP fulltime in STR gear on SAM get invites. Smiley: glare
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#10 Mar 22 2009 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
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Ok so right now im thinking war/sam... what I have gathered is that it has the most potential, its versatile, and is fun...
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bigmantooL wrote:
To the OP im also leveling a warrior and its close to your level and some advice is just do what you find fun. Also if you do choose sam because of its reputation please dont gimp it and wonder why your not getting any invites.
Please, morons who TP fulltime in STR gear on SAM get invites. Smiley: glare



Are you talking about Merit PTs? Frankly, I haven't meripo with a SAM in a very long time. People seem to prefer WARs on my server, or DRGs.
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#12 Mar 22 2009 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:
bigmantooL wrote:
To the OP im also leveling a warrior and its close to your level and some advice is just do what you find fun. Also if you do choose sam because of its reputation please dont gimp it and wonder why your not getting any invites.
Please, morons who TP fulltime in STR gear on SAM get invites. Smiley: glare



Are you talking about Merit PTs? Frankly, I haven't meripo with a SAM in a very long time. People seem to prefer WARs on my server, or DRGs.
I'm talking in General.
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#13 Mar 22 2009 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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You're asking the war forums, we're always going to say warrior (and with good reason, warrior kicks ass) but we can't offer you the most unbiased of opinions.

However if you level war to 75 only having /sam subjob ready i will be forced to hunt you down, rip out & eat your still beating heart.

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#14 Mar 23 2009 at 3:11 AM Rating: Good
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You're asking the war forums, we're always going to say warrior (and with good reason, warrior kicks ass) but we can't offer you the most unbiased of opinions.
Honestly, most of us are aware of our pros and cons and have no problem with giving unbiased opinion on which jobs perform best for which situations. Warrior is a great all around job, but a properly built Zerg Dark Knight will beat us on HNMs and overall WS damage, a properly built Monk will beat us in pure DoT and merits (assuming they're able to), and a properly Samurai will outdo us by sheer volume of high damage weaponskills. It just depends on if the other players know what they're doing with their jobs.
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#15 Mar 23 2009 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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You're asking the war forums, we're always going to say warrior (and with good reason, warrior kicks ass) but we can't offer you the most unbiased of opinions.
Honestly, most of us are aware of our pros and cons and have no problem with giving unbiased opinion on which jobs perform best for which situations. Warrior is a great all around job, but a properly built Zerg Dark Knight will beat us on HNMs and overall WS damage, a properly built Monk will beat us in pure DoT and merits (assuming they're able to), and a properly Samurai will outdo us by sheer volume of high damage weaponskills. It just depends on if the other players know what they're doing with their jobs.


The important thing to remember about this, and WS: sam>war>mnk DoT: mnk>war>sam is that war is smack in the middle. It isn't really much better or worse than any other of the top dd's at their respective strengths.

However, it can do the job of any of them very efficiently. Need a high acc, high attk mod WS? we got one. Need a high damage critical WS? We got one. Need high damage light chain ws? we got one. (now) don't have a drg or thf and need to debuff the mob's defense or evasion? We can do that. Need a DD who can also tank in emergencies, we can do that. Need a DD who can do all forms of damage (slashing, blunt, piercing) with high efficiency? We can do that too. etc... etc..

We can fill all of these needs and still be a top or near top DD in any situation. Thats the reason I love this job.

Speaking of which, yesterday on a kited Kirin, with no attk buffs, and only haste 50% of the time, I matched our blms (who were getting smn buffed) and did 12% total dmg, chasing it around.

I love War.

Edited, Mar 23rd 2009 12:54pm by LordMnementh
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#16 Mar 23 2009 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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All three of them are strong jobs. Each will have advantages in different situations, but generally speaking, it's probably going to come down to the player. None of them will be outstanding with no effort. Pick whichever one you like most, and in turn will be happiest putting time into bettering.
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I love War.
Without doubt. Smiley: thumbsup
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LordMnementh wrote:
lolgaxe wrote:
Demonviper wrote:
You're asking the war forums, we're always going to say warrior (and with good reason, warrior kicks ass) but we can't offer you the most unbiased of opinions.
Honestly, most of us are aware of our pros and cons and have no problem with giving unbiased opinion on which jobs perform best for which situations. Warrior is a great all around job, but a properly built Zerg Dark Knight will beat us on HNMs and overall WS damage, a properly built Monk will beat us in pure DoT and merits (assuming they're able to), and a properly Samurai will outdo us by sheer volume of high damage weaponskills. It just depends on if the other players know what they're doing with their jobs.


The important thing to remember about this, and WS: sam>war>mnk DoT: mnk>war>sam is that war is smack in the middle. It isn't really much better or worse than any other of the top dd's at their respective strengths.

However, it can do the job of any of them very efficiently. Need a high acc, high attk mod WS? we got one. Need a high damage critical WS? We got one. Need high damage light chain ws? we got one. (now) don't have a drg or thf and need to debuff the mob's defense or evasion? We can do that. Need a DD who can also tank in emergencies, we can do that. Need a DD who can do all forms of damage (slashing, blunt, piercing) with high efficiency? We can do that too. etc... etc..

We can fill all of these needs and still be a top or near top DD in any situation. Thats the reason I love this job.


Mnementh gave a perfect summary here.

It all boils down to what you want to do with your character. Speaking from the experience of having WAR/MNK/SAM at 75, I can honestly say that all three will do well - although I think that SAM will serve you better in the grand scheme of things, speaking from the current state of the game where SAM "dominates" the meritPT and HNM scene.

WAR will most likely be the cheapest of the three if you want to uberfy your character, but will also be the most versatile leveling to 75 and beyond.

As a side note, I have to say that I like my WAR and MNK a lot more than I do my SAM. Nothing to do with gear or fun, but if I get one more invite on my SAM (after telling them my other 75s, only to get a "come SAM/NIN") asking me to /NIN ON EVERYTHING, I'm going to fucking kill some sort of cute animal that I can't think of right now. Perhaps an old lady.
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#19 Mar 24 2009 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think I can really add to this thread anymore than has been said. I have to say though, as a 75MNK & WAR, I honestly can't tell a difference at Merits('cept my MNK has 2% more haste >.>).

Sky I generally go WAR. HNMs and other events I usually end up going MNK.

WAR is an excellent balanced job though, just as the guys have said. I hope you have fun. Smiley: grin
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