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#102 Mar 20 2009 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
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I know what you mean, my friend and I were talking about it during our tutorial. We couldn't really say we learned anything new since HS. It was really interesting in HS since everything was new and it was like that everyday. Kind of like being with a new girl, it's new and fresh, but can get boring if you don't nurture it properly...

That and I know we don't even cover Kant (my favourite) in this intro.

EDIT: And there's nothing wrong with talking about philosophy to drunks/potheads (or being one) at parties.

Edited, Mar 20th 2009 6:17pm by RedshiftOnPandy
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#103 Mar 20 2009 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
RedshiftOnPandy wrote:

EDIT: And there's nothing wrong with talking about philosophy to drunks/potheads (or being one) at parties.
I was gonna say until I saw your edit lol

Between the two of us we have that scene covered.
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#104 Mar 20 2009 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem with Fourth Toporok is that since it has 474 Delay you cant get the x-hit build in the same way.
If you want the numbers anyways (going with double minuet so capped cRatio):
Attack = 149
WS Damage = 619 (no DA or crits)


That's the point. With no Rajas, you are unable to obtain the 7 hit build as /nin. And we're comparing to Askar which DOES allow you the 7 hit build.

So the comparison would actually look like this:

Hauby + Fourth Toporak 8hit VS Askar + Perdu 7hit

Fourth Toporak 474 Delay
17% DA, 20% Haste, Capped Accuracy
20%gear + 20%brd + 15%rdm = 55%

474*.45= 213.3 Adjusted Delay
216000/213.3= 1012 hits/hr
1012*1.17(da)= 1184 hits/hr
1184*.95(acc)= 1124 hits/hr
1124*149 = 167,476 melee dmg/hr
1124/8 = 140 WS/hr
140*619 = 86,660 WS dmg/hr
167,476 + 86,660 = 254,136 Ttl Dmg/hr

Vs Askar/Woods/Perdu
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Askar Body (7 hit build)
Average attack = 699
Pdif = 1.826
Average cRatio = 1.6 (you are at cap with double minuet and berserk)
Hits/hr (calculated rounds with acc and DA's) = 998
Base damage (including fStr) = 101
Damage/hit = 161
Base WS damage (including fStr and WSC) = 137
Damage/WS = 657
Melee Damage/hr = 160678
WS Damage/hr = 93294
Total Damage/hr = 253972


So even with No rajas, No brutal, Askar Body and Perdu Voulge are out-performed by Hauby and Fourth Toporak. Meaning the only use for Askar Body on a Warrior is /sam With Polearm, trying to obtain the 6 hit build.

*Claim pending any mistakes in my math.

Edited, Mar 20th 2009 7:14pm by Gerkin
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#105 Mar 20 2009 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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I wanna /shout this thread in whitegate when sams and wars are shouting for floor 80 nyzul runs with askar "locked".
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I wanna /shout this thread in whitegate when sams and wars are shouting for floor 80 nyzul runs with askar "locked".
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#107 Mar 20 2009 at 8:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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There are actually a couple mistakes you made in this set. Since you took off Askar helm, woodsman ring and lost the 5 acc from perdu you lose 13 acc bringing you to 395 acc (91% acc on average bird) and you lose 1 fStr from the Askar helm str and you will lose 2 from your WSC. You end up with 93% acc. So it looks more like this.

Base Damage (with fStr) = 92
Attack Damage = 147
Attacks/hr (with DA's) = 1101
Melee Damage/hr = 161847
Base WS Damage = 124
WS Damage = 595
WS Damage/hr = 81515
Total Damage/hr = 243362

Now you might be better off leaving askar head on with this setup. Its late so I'm not going to do the math on it. But this setup loses to askar body War by about 4%.
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#108 Mar 21 2009 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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RedshiftOnPandy wrote:
I know what you mean, my friend and I were talking about it during our tutorial. We couldn't really say we learned anything new since HS. It was really interesting in HS since everything was new and it was like that everyday. Kind of like being with a new girl, it's new and fresh, but can get boring if you don't nurture it properly...

That and I know we don't even cover Kant (my favourite) in this intro.

EDIT: And there's nothing wrong with talking about philosophy to drunks/potheads (or being one) at parties.

Edited, Mar 20th 2009 6:17pm by RedshiftOnPandy


don't get me wrong; i'm often that drunk talking to the nearest pothead. i'm just saying that a class isn't really getting off the ground if it doesn't exceed the depth of such conversations (mixed metaphor there), and survey courses often don't.

(for example, if you met me at a party and happened to mention kripke or wittgenstein, you'd probably leave knowing more about both than you'd learn in your average "101" class... but if that's true, why bother mentioning kripke or wittgenstein in the 101 class at all;;;?)
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#109 Mar 21 2009 at 12:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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I remember this one time at some club I was talking about low intensity photons in the famous double slit experiment and how it relates to the uncertainty principle and wave-particle duality to some drunk I just met. He was apparently genuinely interested, I wanted to stop but he kept egging me on to talk more. Did not pick up any chicks that night.
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#110 Mar 21 2009 at 2:41 PM Rating: Good
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Now you are speaking my language!! Unfortunately I am not a girl (for your sake) and likewise have yet to get laid because of my major (physics). Thank god I am such a handsome fellow >.>
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#111 Mar 21 2009 at 7:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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RedshiftOnPandy wrote:
I remember this one time at some club I was talking about low intensity photons in the famous double slit experiment and how it relates to the uncertainty principle and wave-particle duality to some drunk I just met. He was apparently genuinely interested, I wanted to stop but he kept egging me on to talk more. Did not pick up any chicks that night.


yeah;;, i offhandedly dropped something like "kripke is the most important philosopher of the latter half of the 20th century," at a party over the summer, and the next thing i knew i'd summarized most of naming and necessity, explained how kripke enlightened everyone re: "a priori != necessary, a posteriori != contingent", talked about how unicorns wouldn't be unicorns even if we discovered horned horses (despite kripke's early article where he amusingly said that in some possible worlds there are unicorns), related that to why i disbelieve in god, criticized kripke for calling searle "the frege-russell" theory when he seemed to get almost nothing about frege (at least) right, and then began in on some general attack of kripke relating to my thesis... and i was like, "ok. this needs to stop. i'm going to go over there now."

can be fun stuff, but it eats up the whole time, and i need to be congregating with old friends and stealing their drinks.

edit: just imagine how raucous and happenin' a party is where partygoers "drop" things like "kripke is the most important philosopher of the latter half of the 20th century." he is though; everyone except frege and wittgenstein pale in comparison in my opinion. before that it's stuffy old guys that loom over everyone like kant and hume and such.

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#112 Mar 21 2009 at 8:14 PM Rating: Good
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I skipped most of the thread to give this answer:

"With sanction on soloing EM mobs, Askar's evasion would be much more beneficial."

But then I saw pahn's post, and apparently we're now talking about theories of reference. Oh well.
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But then I saw pahn's post, and apparently we're now talking about theories of reference. Oh well.
Well, they are. I'm pretty lost, honestly. My philosophy was learned through the Bill and Ted movies. Really can't argue with "Be excellent to one another."
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KaliaSF wrote:
But then I saw pahn's post, and apparently we're now talking about theories of reference. Oh well.
Well, they are. I'm pretty lost, honestly. My philosophy was learned through the Bill and Ted movies. Really can't argue with "Be excellent to one another."


I'm kinda lost too but, yea, the bolded part. From a purely philosophical standpoint, that's pretty fucking deep - especially a line coming from a fantastically bad 80s movie (I absolutely love both Bill & Ted movies, don't get me wrong). I'd even venture to say that "be excellent to each other" is a better overall message than Jesus' famous "do unto others" spiel. You just got served by a Keanu Reeves movie, Jesus, yea!

Another great deep part, with them knowing it or not, is when Bill, Ted and the Reaper are asked the meaning of life when they're before God in Bogus Journey and they quote Every Rose Has It's Thorn:

Every rose has its thorn
Just like every night has its dawn
Just like every cowboy sings his sad, sad song
Every rose has its thorn


If you really think about it, it makes total sense. What more do you need to know about life?!
















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#115 Mar 25 2009 at 1:20 AM Rating: Good
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in regaurd to war/dnc vs king artho. its a relatively low level NM, so survival wont be as big an issue as killing it before rage timer is. you have 15min from the time you engage to kill it. if you are saving tp for cures, i just dont see it happening.

edit: totally didnt realize this went on for 3 pages.

Edited, Mar 25th 2009 5:22am by Buront
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#116 Mar 25 2009 at 3:34 AM Rating: Good
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I think my favorite is the way Abraham Lincoln says it.

"Fourscore and... seven minutes ago ... we, your forefathers, were brought forth upon a most excellent adventure conceived by our new friends, Bill... and Ted. These two great gentlemen are dedicated to a proposition which was true in my time, just as it's true today. Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES! "
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They travel through time and meet the historical figures they're supposed to have learned about, including Gandhi and Calamity Jane this time around.
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