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#1 Mar 15 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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So I'm debating whether I should lot on Askar Korazin in my Nyzul Static. We got our first one, after about 12 floor 80 runs. Of course I passed to our DRG main first, and am going to pass to the 2nd job DRG and 2nd job DRG/SAM.

Is this even worth it for a Warrior who already has Hecatomb and Hauby?
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#2 Mar 15 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Is this even worth it for a Warrior who already has Hecatomb and Hauby?
Nope.
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#3 Mar 15 2009 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
well actually, I think it's a nice piece to wear for the lower 60 or so floors of nyzul where most mobs are DC and acc is capped anyway. That's where I'll use mine when I get it. Just for fun more than anything.

Not a merit/endgame piece though, not at all.
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Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)
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It has eva though!

In situations where accuracy is not capped haub clearly wins, but for skilling up, campaign (where we can actually evade...sometimes!), and similarly lower level things it could work well.

As far as it is concerned endgame, almost all the time acc is not capped. +2% DA < +7% hit rate.

One of the best skilling up pieces, does that count?
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Its a very nice piece. Situational though like the others stated. I use it for tp build in merits/limbus etc. I bring my hauby for Mamool merit pt's and other events that warrant + acc.
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#7 Mar 15 2009 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Is this even worth it for a Warrior who already has Hecatomb and Hauby?
Nope.
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It's pretty, that's all it's good for.

If you're going to specifically make a change in your gear or construct another set to use askar body for low level mobs that you will bulldoze anyway, you should consider easier to obtain and less costly changes first.
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#9 Mar 15 2009 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty, that's all it's good for.

If you're going to specifically make a change in your gear or construct another set to use askar body for low level mobs that you will bulldoze anyway, you should consider easier to obtain and less costly changes first.
just sayin, if one drops, I'm gonna lot on it if no drgs are about and no one else REALLY wants it...
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Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.

There is though, an interesting use for Askar body, if you have polearm leveled and going /sam to the colibri camp(I would say VERY situational) askar could help you to archive 6-hit build for Penta(askar, rajas, brutal), which could be very nice, of course you will need to eat crab sushi instead of kabobs, but in return you can see pretty nasty numbers there, and for those interested on winning parses, thanks to retaliation we can perform a bit better than SAM/WAR with 5-hits and polearm, which is currently accepted maybe as the best damage there.

I hope it helps.

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Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?
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Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
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Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
Srsly pal don't spread that nonsense, such things never happen in our bismark ;P

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Solrain wrote:
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Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
I knew a moron who thought that Assault Jerkin was better for TPing in on his SAM, and Hauby was WS onry. Fortunately we kicked him from our ls and he moved server.Smiley: grin

edit: Also aparently it's not just 2handers who believe this.

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He was called Guardianhero on Sylph. Iuno where he transferred to but aviod any SAMs you see TPing in AJ. Smiley: laugh
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Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.


So, if I've been chasing this body, specifically for an Agressor Up body swap, I'd be wasting my time, and would be better off using Byrnie instead?

3Str 20Att vs 5Str 12Att and 2% Double Attack?

I guess if you went 1 step further it would actually be Rajas/Byrnie vs Askar/Blitz for Aggressor Up, and the obviousy Haub/Rajas while down.
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Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.


So, if I've been chasing this body, specifically for an Agressor Up body swap, I'd be wasting my time, and would be better off using Byrnie instead?

3Str 20Att vs 5Str 12Att and 2% Double Attack?

I guess if you went 1 step further it would actually be Rajas/Byrnie vs Askar/Blitz for Aggressor Up, and the obviousy Haub/Rajas while down.
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First things first, 5STR and 5DEX give you around 4%~ increment in DoT(from fSTR, hit% increment and that bit of cRatio difference, it will change based on the mob though) but for blitz ring to give you better benefits than that it needs to change your haste from 74%>75% which already outside of the max possible haste archivable by war, hence in no situation blitz ring is better than rajas.

The thing between byrnie and askar comes in 8 att vs 2 STR and +2 DA.

2STR has 50% change to raise 1 your base damage(and about 1% DoT with that), which I will give a convenient +.5% DoT increment, and 2% DA in the best possible case(no brutal, no DA merits) means 1.8%~ DoT increment.

On the other hand +8 att means about 4%~ DoT increment which push byrnie sightly ahead. Now to be totally fair byrnie also has -2.15~acc(-3DEX) which is more or less -1%~* hit rate which lower the benefit to 3%~ that still outweighs askar(not by much though).

Now Askar is free and byrnie is still 180~200k in bismark, but if you really want an aggressor up piece, I think Aurum is a better option, being Ares probably the best.

I hope it helps.

Ken.

*The idea behind this "aggresor up bodies" is that your accuracy is capped(or incredibly close 92-93%) that's why you are considering something outside hauby, moreover this -acc could affect or not based on how above the cap you were initially

Edit:typo

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Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?
Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).
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Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

I'm actually curious as to how/why Denali isn't a good piece. I'm not saying it is because I don't have anything leveled that can use it so I really don't know, it's more just the fact that my mind hungers for the random "hey did you know...?" info.

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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?

I wear Askar Body to merits. I have a hauby and Heca Body. I have 299 Gaxe skill and I parse 92-93% acc at bird camps w/o songs. If im fighting something tougher I add acc. There are better items but the universal sentiment that its a **** item for War is going a little overboard IMO.
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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?
Why do people assume that's the reason people feel a certain way with certain pieces of gear? Everything is based in math, if we know the stats then we can figure out how it will perform.
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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?
Why do people assume that's the reason people feel a certain way with certain pieces of gear? Everything is based in math, if we know the stats then we can figure out how it will perform.


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Askar has a potential use for WAR. Not an optimal one, mind you, but possible.

If you, for whatever reason, do not have a Rajas ring, then it's one of your options for putting together a 6-hit build. Of course, Carbonara is possible too, though not always a great option (birds for instance), Aurum body as well, though that's likely harder to get than Askar.

Personally, I use it for that, since I have a Tamas ring that I'm loathe to swap due to spending the majority of my time on jobs that can make use of it. Were I on WAR/SAM more than I tend to be, could be different, but that's not the case.
Anyway, point isn't to debate CoP rings, point is that not everyone has a Rajas, and that not having one makes Askar body potentially useful.

It works just fine most of the time. I do swap to Haub+1 for high evasion stuff if necessary, but for most merit level mobs, I still parse in the low 90% range (full GAxe merits, etc), and have the benefit of a 6-hit build.

It's not the better setup by any stretch, but it does work as an alternate setup. If you have a Rajas, there's no real reason to use it I'd say, unless you're completely capped on ACC and want to use it for the Double Attack.

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Chances are if you don't have Rajas or intend on choosing it as your CoP ring, you'll need the accuracy from your Hauby anyhow. It seems foolish to go for a 6 hit build before you even have the accuracy to support it. Really, its just not a wise a piece of gear to TP in unless you really do have enough ac to drop haub/haub+1.
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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?

I wear Askar Body to merits. I have a hauby and Heca Body. I have 299 Gaxe skill and I parse 92-93% acc at bird camps w/o songs. If im fighting something tougher I add acc. There are better items but the universal sentiment that its a **** item for War is going a little overboard IMO.
Let me ask you this, do you think we act this way about lolJuggy aswell? Or are you just self important? Haubergeon is better. That's a fact. We've(i use the royal "we") done the math to prove this. I don't see why you just can't accept it.


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Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

I'm actually curious as to how/why Denali isn't a good piece. I'm not saying it is because I don't have anything leveled that can use it so I really don't know, it's more just the fact that my mind hungers for the random "hey did you know...?" info.

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Edited, Mar 16th 2009 5:37am by clatuu
Because 1% haste is better than the junk that's on Denali Bonnet. I swear if i see one more MNK wearing on i'm gonna kill somebody.
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Hmm, this is interesting.

I fail to understand why the DA on this is so negligible if acc is capped. Is it because we're already assuming someone has 21-22% DA and the increase isn't that noticable?
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Chances are if you don't have Rajas or intend on choosing it as your CoP ring, you'll need the accuracy from your Hauby anyhow. It seems foolish to go for a 6 hit build before you even have the accuracy to support it. Really, its just not a wise a piece of gear to TP in unless you really do have enough ac to drop haub/haub+1.


Possible that the accuracy might be worth more. Also possible that gear/merits are sufficient otherwise to make it viable. Like I said, for me, I do just fine using it like that (yes, I parse). I mentioned it because it's a reason that a WAR could actually want one.
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While I think hauby will win in most situations, I do think that people with good gear can pull it off successfully. With my gear and 8 GA merits I have 90% acc on birds (actual math against an average of level 81 and 82 birds). I dont have 3 big pieces that would give me more acc: Perdu Voulge, Bomblet, and Byakko's Haidate. These pieces give roughly 15 acc over what I have in those slots (Fourth Toporok, Bomb Core, and Askar Dirs), and hauby gives 13-14 acc depending on if the dex falls right or not. So without Raja's I could simply swap out hauby for askar and actually gain 1-2 points of acc (if I had those 3 pieces I had mentioned earlier) still leaving me at 90-91% (with aggressor down). With Hauby I'm almost wasting acc since I will be capped at all times. So if you happen to most of those pieces I see Askar as a fine replacement for Hauby since it will give you a 6 hit build. If you have Raja's ring though its a waste and just use something different.

Please note, learn how to calculate acc and see what yours is at before you decide to try swapping Askar for Hauby.
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clatuu wrote:
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Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

I'm actually curious as to how/why Denali isn't a good piece. I'm not saying it is because I don't have anything leveled that can use it so I really don't know, it's more just the fact that my mind hungers for the random "hey did you know...?" info.

Edit: spelling

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 5:37am by clatuu
Because 1% haste is better than the junk that's on Denali Bonnet. I swear if i see one more MNK wearing on i'm gonna kill somebody.



Why does your guide say it's a nice alternative then?
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clatuu wrote:
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Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

I'm actually curious as to how/why Denali isn't a good piece. I'm not saying it is because I don't have anything leveled that can use it so I really don't know, it's more just the fact that my mind hungers for the random "hey did you know...?" info.

Edit: spelling

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 5:37am by clatuu


Askar head gives up 1% haste but returns to you STR+4 (attack+3 or 2) and DEX+4 (acc+3 or 2). Outside of high haste situations or capped acc situations, the increase to base damage, the attack/acc, and though it's almost unnoticable, the faint increase to crit rate is generally worth the loss.

Denali head gives up 1% haste but returns to you attack+3. That's it. Not worth it.
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Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

I'm actually curious as to how/why Denali isn't a good piece. I'm not saying it is because I don't have anything leveled that can use it so I really don't know, it's more just the fact that my mind hungers for the random "hey did you know...?" info.

Edit: spelling

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 5:37am by clatuu
Because 1% haste is better than the junk that's on Denali Bonnet. I swear if i see one more MNK wearing on i'm gonna kill somebody.



Why does your guide say it's a nice alternative then?
Cuz I was on crack I guess? I should probably remove it actually...
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With my gear and 8 GA merits I have 90% acc on birds (actual math against an average of level 81 and 82 birds). I dont have 3 big pieces that would give me more acc: Perdu Voulge, Bomblet, and Byakko's Haidate. These pieces give roughly 15 acc over what I have in those slots (Fourth Toporok, Bomb Core, and Askar Dirs), and hauby gives 13-14 acc depending on if the dex falls right or not. So without Raja's I could simply swap out hauby for askar and actually gain 1-2 points of acc (if I had those 3 pieces I had mentioned earlier) still leaving me at 90-91% (with aggressor down). With Hauby I'm almost wasting acc since I will be capped at all times. So if you happen to most of those pieces I see Askar as a fine replacement for Hauby since it will give you a 6 hit build. If you have Raja's ring though its a waste and just use something different.


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I wear Askar Body to merits. I have a hauby and Heca Body. I have 299 Gaxe skill and I parse 92-93% acc at bird camps w/o songs. If im fighting something tougher I add acc. There are better items but the universal sentiment that its a **** item for War is going a little overboard IMO.


Two separate accounts of having 90%+ acc, but I started wondering about gear.

It's skewing the results to say you just has near cap acc. Chances are you are wearing some silly gear in other slots that could give you a bigger increase than askar from haub.

So if you're parsing at 90%+ what are you wearing to get that cap?

A war/sam with just 299, hasso, and 68 base dex is around 350, needing about 57 accuracy to hit cap on higher birds and around 48 on lower.

So you said you didn't have perdu, no acc from wep
Grip should probably be pole strap, no acc
You said you lacked bomblet, no acc
You might be using askar head, so 3 acc
Torque is included in skill
Brutal should probably be one earring
Second earring should be assault so 2
Body is askar you said, no acc
Gloves are probably dusk, no acc
Rings Sniper/ Rajas
Back forager's or AM+1 probably
Waist prolly swift
Legs you said were askar
Feets could be aurum

Now with that you're at 382 acc.

Let's swap in sniper's +1/torr rings, mythril grip +1, fowling instead of brutal, and cuch mantle. That would put that build above 90%+ on higher birds.

For the other case, upgrading to bomblet, perdu and byakko's haidate add some wiggle room. From 299 skill, on top of those three, adding aurum, swift, assault, mythril grip +1, askar head, and assault earring would put you just into 90% acc on higher birds.

I don't know about your builds, but I would guess that askar's 2% DA would not outweigh haub's acc bonus. Maybe you're a merited mithra with dex merits, then maybe your acc would be closer to 90% in ideal gear.

But Joe Schmoe sitting at 292 skill without perdu, bomblet, byakko's haidate, or aurum, etc would not be able to pull that off. It is more than just aiming to hit 95% accuracy and then rearranging your gear, you want to get the biggest bang for your buck, and haub is a **** of a bang for a single slot regardless of what else you have.

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 2:21pm by Requim
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#39 Mar 16 2009 at 11:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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You can actually look at my gear by clicking my name in the upper lefthand corner and then clicking on the link to my War. But for simplicity sake ill put it here.

Fourth/Pole
Bomb Core
Walahra Turban
PCC
Assault/Fowling
Hauby
Dusk Gloves
Iota/Woods
Amemet +1
Swift Belt
Askar Dirs
Aurum Sabatons

With this setup I have 84 dex (63 acc) and +46 acc. I have not gone far enough in CoP to have the Raja's/Brutal :(
But this gives me:
282 acc from skill
63 acc from Dex
46 acc from gear
= 391 total...so I was a little off since average cap is 403 (402.5 to be exact) against birds so I am at 89% base.

I put that I could not pull this off but someone with the correct gear in other slots (B haid, bomblet, perdu) could. But like I said, if you have Raja'a and Brutal Askar is pretty much worthless.

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 2:53pm by KWileyStyle
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My 6-hit TP build is here: http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=58488

Or for convenience:

Perdu Voulge (5ACC)
Pole Grip
Fire Bomblet (6ACC)
Askar head (3 ACC from DEX)
Peacock Charm (10ACC)
Brutal Earring
Assault Earring (2ACC)
Askar body
Dusk Gloves
Ecphoria Ring (4ACC, for full 7STP)
Sniper's Ring (5ACC)
Cerberus Mantle
Swift Belt (3ACC)
Byakko's Haidate (11ACC from DEX)
Dusk feet (need Aurum)

So 49ACC from gear, directly and from DEX.

Base DEX as a Mithra is 75. GAxe is fully merited. So between those things, 338ACC, 348 base with Hasso up. Plus gear, 387-397 accuracy (depending on Hasso or not), with Aggressor down.
With Aggressor up, obviously, another 25 on top of that, which would more than cap accuracy on birds. Parsed average will, of course, be a combination of Aggressor and no-Aggressor, so the overall should be in the low 90s.

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But Joe Schmoe sitting at 292 skill without perdu, bomblet, byakko's haidate, or aurum, etc would not be able to pull that off. It is more than just aiming to hit 95% accuracy and then rearranging your gear, you want to get the biggest bang for your buck, and haub is a **** of a bang for a single slot regardless of what else you have.


I agree to a large extent with that. My point with it (and I know you weren't really responding directly to me, but I'd made similar claims), is that for those with the setup to pull it off, it can work for 6-hit in a lot of lower end situations at least (merits, Nyzul, Limbus, Dynamis, etc). So for WARs in a similar situation to myself, it could find some viable use outside of town gear.
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Just to reiterate:

Solrain wrote:
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Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
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Ya, the lower the accuracy needed the more it can shine. A war has a huge amount of accuracy from just being A+ merited two hander so in some limbus or other low man things you might not even need any acc gear outside of your haste gear.

The key is the total umpf to your build from a gear swap. Haste has increasing returns, so depending on how much haste you have it could be more important. Store tp definitely has a tier that can make a larger difference once you drop a hit.

Just because you have the accuracy to support askar korazin or whatever, doesn't mean that you wold be best off by swapping to it, sometimes other slots could drop acc to get something better. But there are definitely some situations that could make use of it.
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My bad! I had no idea my innocent question would hit such a sensitive spot. My deepest apologies, now can you Please un-bunch those panties :D

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Let me ask you this, do you think we act this way about lolJuggy aswell? Or are you just self important? Haubergeon is better. That's a fact. We've(i use the royal "we") done the math to prove this. I don't see why you just can't accept it.


Lol wtf is this "we" **** Is this the gangs of Allakhazam/FFXI? I know Hauby is a better piece overall. That doesn't means Askar doesn't perform just as good at times.

To Requim's post: I do cap at 391 im missing Aurum feet and I use Ecphoria ring > Snipers. I have 3 merits in Aggressor so its up for 3.5 out of 5mins, and its not like when Aggressor goes down I start wiffing on normal swings anyway.


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#44 Mar 16 2009 at 4:14 PM Rating: Excellent
I dont like this topic anymore because it's getting petty, so I'm going to introduce a new one!


Does anyone think a war/dnc could solo king arthro? with a 50ish NPC healer?

Thoughts? I'm thinking of having a whack at it.
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What is the big deal here?

Hauby
10 acc, 5 DEX
13.75 acc
at least 7.34% Dot (non capped situations)

Askar
2 attack, 2 DA
~.5 Dot from attack and at best 1.82% DoT from DA
at best 2.32~% DoT

Difference 5.02% DoT

But my accuracy is capped/near cap?
If it isn't 93%+ hauby is still better.

But I don't have rajas(no finished CoP, other ring choice)?
You either still need to work for your character or you aren't main WAR(or main DD for that matter) pushing you to wear an alternative/non-optimal set, it's fine* though, it could be better.

*not everyone is DD and this is a game after all, not a parse winning contest

Sincerely.

Ken.

P.D. Taco/Defender/high-def build/shield/joyeuse maybe... and thats a huge MAYBE, but if you make it hit you for less than 100~ then I think is very doable.

Edit: answer for Mojo

Edited, Mar 17th 2009 12:23am by kenage
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Lol wtf is this "we" **** Is this the gangs of Allakhazam/FFXI? I know Hauby is a better piece overall. That doesn't means Askar doesn't perform just as good at times.


It's typical MMO behavior.

Really, everyone knows that the Haub has better stats than the Korazin at face value. It just provides a **** load more. But you're right, the Korazin has situational applications that make it a good choice if you can meet the requirements. Of course, by standard MMO trends, if it's situational then it sucks and isn't worth it.

I'd love to have it myself. I wouldn't use it all the time but I would when the situation arises it.
#47 Mar 16 2009 at 5:29 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm gonna try high DEF build, taco, defender + retaliation and just go nuts. Bring a load of hi pots and a tp wing for emergencys and see how it goes ^^
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Guranimol wrote:
Paraphrasing
RedshiftonPandy wrote:
Guranimol really hurt my feelings and now i'm going to act like a 10 yr old girl


My bad! I had no idea my innocent question would hit such a sensitive spot. My deepest apologies, now can you Please un-bunch those panties :D

Nilatai the Intelligent wrote:

Let me ask you this, do you think we act this way about lolJuggy aswell? Or are you just self important? Haubergeon is better. That's a fact. We've(i use the royal "we") done the math to prove this. I don't see why you just can't accept it.


Lol wtf is this "we" **** Is this the gangs of Allakhazam/FFXI? I know Hauby is a better piece overall. That doesn't means Askar doesn't perform just as good at times.

To Requim's post: I do cap at 391 im missing Aurum feet and I use Ecphoria ring > Snipers. I have 3 merits in Aggressor so its up for 3.5 out of 5mins, and its not like when Aggressor goes down I start wiffing on normal swings anyway.
You don't cap at 381 (don't include Hasso into ACC total). You know why? Because I don't cap at 400. There is no reason to use Askar over Haubergeon. And I don't think you understand how Aggressor merits work (or high school math) if you think you have it up for 3.5 out of 5 mins.
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Grandmother MojoVIII wrote:
I'm gonna try high DEF build, taco, defender + retaliation and just go nuts. Bring a load of hi pots and a tp wing for emergencys and see how it goes ^^

Let us know how this works out, i'd love to try this myself.

Edit: just throwing some ideas out.
Why not go Joyeuse/spartan hoplon? i've seen that shield used to some nice effect in ballista & if im not mistaken the effect shaves off 17 damage per hit which could be very handy. Also maybe do a partial shield skill build? AF hands, torque, buckler earring & Koanig helm would give you a solid +25shield skill ontop of 230 base skill. Don't forget your bibiki seashell, the Aqua killer could end up being a life saver.


Edited, Mar 16th 2009 10:32pm by Demonviper

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 10:34pm by Demonviper
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Aquan killer, good call.

Would use joytoy if I had one, but unfortunately I don't. I by no means have the optimal gear for this attempt but I thought I'd give it a whack. I'm gonna save my 2h for his hundred fists, that way retaliations will be at max damage during it.

Also, gonna save tp as much as possible and try get by without ws.

This is all presuming I can get a claim which is unlikely at best.
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If you were going to try KA as WAR/DNC, I would probably use Fort Axe for damage and better retaliation damage and TP. Taking hits from KA is lolsy. With just Rabbit Pie (DEF/ATK+100) and Cocoon on BLU/NIN, I don't remember him hitting for much (like 10-20, if that). I think the biggest problem would be dealing enough damage to him. But I don't know how you would deal with his DEF JA, would need to use **** bolts, but then you don't have Fort Axe...
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