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#1 Mar 15 2009 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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So I'm debating whether I should lot on Askar Korazin in my Nyzul Static. We got our first one, after about 12 floor 80 runs. Of course I passed to our DRG main first, and am going to pass to the 2nd job DRG and 2nd job DRG/SAM.

Is this even worth it for a Warrior who already has Hecatomb and Hauby?
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#2 Mar 15 2009 at 10:24 AM Rating: Decent
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TheBarrister wrote:
Is this even worth it for a Warrior who already has Hecatomb and Hauby?
Nope.
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#3 Mar 15 2009 at 10:27 AM Rating: Excellent
well actually, I think it's a nice piece to wear for the lower 60 or so floors of nyzul where most mobs are DC and acc is capped anyway. That's where I'll use mine when I get it. Just for fun more than anything.

Not a merit/endgame piece though, not at all.
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#4 Mar 15 2009 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)
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#5 Mar 15 2009 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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It has eva though!

In situations where accuracy is not capped haub clearly wins, but for skilling up, campaign (where we can actually evade...sometimes!), and similarly lower level things it could work well.

As far as it is concerned endgame, almost all the time acc is not capped. +2% DA < +7% hit rate.

One of the best skilling up pieces, does that count?
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#6 Mar 15 2009 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Its a very nice piece. Situational though like the others stated. I use it for tp build in merits/limbus etc. I bring my hauby for Mamool merit pt's and other events that warrant + acc.
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#7 Mar 15 2009 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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bsphil wrote:
TheBarrister wrote:
Is this even worth it for a Warrior who already has Hecatomb and Hauby?
Nope.
This because this:
Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)
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#8 Mar 15 2009 at 12:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty, that's all it's good for.

If you're going to specifically make a change in your gear or construct another set to use askar body for low level mobs that you will bulldoze anyway, you should consider easier to obtain and less costly changes first.
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#9 Mar 15 2009 at 3:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's pretty, that's all it's good for.

If you're going to specifically make a change in your gear or construct another set to use askar body for low level mobs that you will bulldoze anyway, you should consider easier to obtain and less costly changes first.
just sayin, if one drops, I'm gonna lot on it if no drgs are about and no one else REALLY wants it...
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#10 Mar 15 2009 at 4:43 PM Rating: Good
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Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.

There is though, an interesting use for Askar body, if you have polearm leveled and going /sam to the colibri camp(I would say VERY situational) askar could help you to archive 6-hit build for Penta(askar, rajas, brutal), which could be very nice, of course you will need to eat crab sushi instead of kabobs, but in return you can see pretty nasty numbers there, and for those interested on winning parses, thanks to retaliation we can perform a bit better than SAM/WAR with 5-hits and polearm, which is currently accepted maybe as the best damage there.

I hope it helps.

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Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?
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mazmaz wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
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mazmaz wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
Srsly pal don't spread that nonsense, such things never happen in our bismark ;P

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Solrain wrote:
mazmaz wrote:
Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?


Seriously Smiley: lol

Cuz every 2-hand job (that doesn't parse, or is at least in the know) thinks they're a god that caps acc everywhere because DEX is magical.
I knew a moron who thought that Assault Jerkin was better for TPing in on his SAM, and Hauby was WS onry. Fortunately we kicked him from our ls and he moved server.Smiley: grin

edit: Also aparently it's not just 2handers who believe this.

Edited, Mar 15th 2009 9:49pm by Nilatai
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$10 says he moved to Bismarck.
Well it would be refreshing from our omnipresent Osode-wars dual-wielding swords ;P

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Well it would be refreshing from our omnipresent Osode-wars dual-wielding swords ;P

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kenage wrote:
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Well it would be refreshing from our omnipresent Osode-wars dual-wielding swords ;P

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With AF boots!
and byakkos's haidate though - -q
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He was called Guardianhero on Sylph. Iuno where he transferred to but aviod any SAMs you see TPing in AJ. Smiley: laugh
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kenage wrote:
Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.


So, if I've been chasing this body, specifically for an Agressor Up body swap, I'd be wasting my time, and would be better off using Byrnie instead?

3Str 20Att vs 5Str 12Att and 2% Double Attack?

I guess if you went 1 step further it would actually be Rajas/Byrnie vs Askar/Blitz for Aggressor Up, and the obviousy Haub/Rajas while down.
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Gerkin wrote:
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Wherever askar may shine(cap acc situations, etc), an ugly, deprecated and forgotten byrnie will do it better.


So, if I've been chasing this body, specifically for an Agressor Up body swap, I'd be wasting my time, and would be better off using Byrnie instead?

3Str 20Att vs 5Str 12Att and 2% Double Attack?

I guess if you went 1 step further it would actually be Rajas/Byrnie vs Askar/Blitz for Aggressor Up, and the obviousy Haub/Rajas while down.
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First things first, 5STR and 5DEX give you around 4%~ increment in DoT(from fSTR, hit% increment and that bit of cRatio difference, it will change based on the mob though) but for blitz ring to give you better benefits than that it needs to change your haste from 74%>75% which already outside of the max possible haste archivable by war, hence in no situation blitz ring is better than rajas.

The thing between byrnie and askar comes in 8 att vs 2 STR and +2 DA.

2STR has 50% change to raise 1 your base damage(and about 1% DoT with that), which I will give a convenient +.5% DoT increment, and 2% DA in the best possible case(no brutal, no DA merits) means 1.8%~ DoT increment.

On the other hand +8 att means about 4%~ DoT increment which push byrnie sightly ahead. Now to be totally fair byrnie also has -2.15~acc(-3DEX) which is more or less -1%~* hit rate which lower the benefit to 3%~ that still outweighs askar(not by much though).

Now Askar is free and byrnie is still 180~200k in bismark, but if you really want an aggressor up piece, I think Aurum is a better option, being Ares probably the best.

I hope it helps.

Ken.

*The idea behind this "aggresor up bodies" is that your accuracy is capped(or incredibly close 92-93%) that's why you are considering something outside hauby, moreover this -acc could affect or not based on how above the cap you were initially

Edit:typo

Edited, Mar 16th 2009 10:46am by kenage
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#22 Mar 16 2009 at 12:16 AM Rating: Good
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Lucinus wrote:
Askar body's mostly for DRGs (who can't equip the clearly superior Haubergeon anyway)



Why is it SO HARD for me to convince people of this?
Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).
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bsphil wrote:
Because it takes significant effort to obtain and has a low drop rate, so people are lulled into think that means it is valuable as an item (see denali head).

I'm actually curious as to how/why Denali isn't a good piece. I'm not saying it is because I don't have anything leveled that can use it so I really don't know, it's more just the fact that my mind hungers for the random "hey did you know...?" info.

Edit: spelling

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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?

I wear Askar Body to merits. I have a hauby and Heca Body. I have 299 Gaxe skill and I parse 92-93% acc at bird camps w/o songs. If im fighting something tougher I add acc. There are better items but the universal sentiment that its a crap item for War is going a little overboard IMO.
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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?
Why do people assume that's the reason people feel a certain way with certain pieces of gear? Everything is based in math, if we know the stats then we can figure out how it will perform.
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My question is do you guys feel this way b/c you dont have one?
Why do people assume that's the reason people feel a certain way with certain pieces of gear? Everything is based in math, if we know the stats then we can figure out how it will perform.


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