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#1 Aug 25 2012 at 10:57 AM Rating: Good
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I was asked to BLM in Voidwatch, which I have only ever done BRD for before. When I asked my fellow BLMs wtf I am supposed to do, no one said anything...

So, what does BLM even do here? I have all spells but Meteor. At once point the alliance leader said "BLM1" but the Wiki guides are silent on what this means.

In the end I just tossed a lot of Stuns whenever I could...

Help!


Edited, Aug 25th 2012 12:59pm by catwho
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#2 Aug 25 2012 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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1, 2 , and 5 is a simpler way of saying Vulnerable, Highly Vulnerable, and Extremely Vulnerable procs, easier so Japanese players can understand and it is what they use. BLM1 meant Enmity Douse was a Vulnerable proc. Besides procing magic weakness and stuns, tossing out nukes here and there with temps being replenished frequently is what I do when I'm on blm.

Edited, Aug 25th 2012 1:20pm by Szabo
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Thanks! So how do I know which spells will proc? Is it completely random?
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catwho wrote:
Thanks! So how do I know which spells will proc? Is it completely random?

You need key items from Voidwatch Officers in order you to see which spell will proc, I recommend you buy all the Periapts key items (for 450k cruor), so you can you tell which weapon skills, magic, and job abilities and which job is the proc. Here is all the procs in Voidwatch.
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Sooooo just cast and hope I see a message? Is there a strategy to casting, like doing tier Is for message like in Abyssea?
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#6 Aug 25 2012 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Sooooo just cast and hope I see a message? Is there a strategy to casting, like doing tier Is for message like in Abyssea?
Yes, people generally spam either T1s or Bio to get hints. When you or someone else gets a hint, they will say it in party chat so all the appropriate jobs know. If you have all the periapts, you will get a hint for the element and for the type of magic (e.g. black, blue, white, etc). The BLM procs are the T2-4 single target spells, T1-3 aga, AM1, and the elemental debuffs (choke, frost, etc). Usually a group will have 2-3 BLM, and they should discuss beforehand who will take which procs. (Typically one blm takes the single targets, one takes agas, and one takes the rest.) Then, when you get a hint, just work on the ones that belong to you until it procs. You should already know to prioritize HV (aka 3) or EV (aka 5) over V (aka 1).
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#7 Aug 25 2012 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
I will recommend though not using Bio as a spell to try and learn weakness, since Diaga is a potential Light white magic stagger, and since Diaga cannot overwrite Bio (but Bio overwrites Dia and Diaga), until that Bio wears off you wouldn't be able to stagger with Diaga. When trying to determine magic weaknesses, you don't want to use debuff spells that overwrite and block the effects of potential procs if it can be avoided. Another common example of this is Bard with Elegy. Since both Battlefield and Carnage Elegy can be Earth Bard staggers and Battlefield will have no effect if Carnage is applied, a Bard should never cast Carnage Elegy on the mob just for the sake of debuffing it.

For trying to learn weakness, it's best to spam T1 nukes or Dia.
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That also applies to the Poison line of spells.. Poison < Poisonga < Poison2, cast out of order and you have to wait for the current effect to wear off.

Voidwatch is all temp item zergs, debuffs are largely pointless outside of attempting to strike weaknesses. The only one you should ever cast without the express purpose of staggering the NM is Impact.
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Generally good advice here. Split up spells by type with your fellow BLMs. Start the fight by making sure RR is up, use Fools/Fanatics if appropriate, pop Gnostics, and start nuking at random, as fast as you can, with lowest cost triggers. I usually take the entire -ga/-ja series with the groups I go with, so I'll just start right up the line with stonega, waterga, etc., until I get a hint or someone calls one out. If you get a hint that hasn't been called out, call it out for everyone else. Then nuke every spell of your group until you proc or run out of triggers. Cover for other dead blms if necessary. When you proc something where a hint has been called out, call out that you finished: e.g "Fire BLM done."

On easy mobs, wait until red is capped before popping ascetics/bravers. Otherwise, pop those as soon as hate is established. Spam ethers/powders/mist as necessary. Standing together with other BLMs is beneficial, of course.

There are a handful of mobs, like Bismark, where magic damage is important. On Bismark in particular, a group sometimes will dedicate one BLM to damage while assigning others to procs.

Depending on the mob, it may be safe to pop a wing and go for the occasional WS stagger as well, although your time is usually better spent going after BLM procs if there are any open. Many mobs are too evasive to hit reliably with physical weaponskills, but you can easily run in and proc with something like Cyclone.

And yeah, if staggers aren't happening as often as they should, throwing stuns is always appreciated.

I realize that having done VW on BRD, you know a lot of this already. But I figured I'd be comprehensive for others' benefit.

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 3:12pm by VxSote
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#10 Aug 27 2012 at 2:45 PM Rating: Good
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Just curious (maybe I should be asking in blu forums...) does frost being on the mob prevent the blu mage spell Cold Wave from sticking/and or vice versa? When cold wave sticks it says the mob has been hit with frost, so I was just wondering if this was one of those situations with competing debuffs blocking out staggers.

Also wondering similarly about slow/cimicine discharge

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 1:47pm by Olorinus
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Olorinus wrote:
Just curious (maybe I should be asking in blu forums...) does frost being on the mob prevent the blu mage spell Cold Wave from sticking/and or vice versa? When cold wave sticks it says the mob has been hit with frost, so I was just wondering if this was one of those situations with competing debuffs blocking out staggers.

Also wondering similarly about slow/cimicine discharge


I don't directly know the answer to this, but now I'm curious as well. And the answer MIGHT vary, depending on the potency of the Frost.

Frost will normally overwrite itself if the version being cast is the same or greater strength. Back at 75, when I was one of the few BLMs with a 150+ INT build, BLMs who were in the -149 tier couldn't overwrite me with same element debuffs. Now that 150 INT is more or less trivial, most BLMs should be casting Frost in that tier. I don't know if a higher tier was ever discovered. But in any case, we should see if potency matters.

It's also conceivable that a BLM's Burn could lock out a Cold Wave. I'd like to find out if that is the case or not, as well.

And lastly, I'll point out that unless someone has locked out the overriding elemental debuffs with a three-debuff combo or there are elemental immunity issues, you should be able to remove any offending elemental debuff with the next element up the order.

Edited, Aug 27th 2012 5:07pm by VxSote
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#12 Sep 05 2012 at 7:08 PM Rating: Good
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That gives me a idea. I'll ask Gencay (a blue mage friend of mine) to help with a test and we'll see. Proly in aby; but I figure it'd be valid no matter what mob you do it on.
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