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#1 Dec 06 2011 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Hi! I had a quick question, I was hoping you guys could help me out.

I'm working on the magian trial staves, and I just want to make sure I understand this correctly. There's a direct correlation of dark magic skill to drain/aspir damage, right? However, the magic affinity of the dark/pluto's staff is elemental, so it doesn't actually increase drain/aspir damage. It instead increases magic accuracy, which indirectly increases drain/aspir damage. Is this correct? That means if I finish my dark accuracy staff for sleeps, I can use it also for drain/aspir and put away my pluto's staff?
#2 Dec 06 2011 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Dark magic skill affects both damage and accuracy of drain and aspir, yes. But just about everything else you said is incorrect. Dark/Pluto's increases both the accuracy AND the potency of drain/aspir as well. You should only use a dark accuracy ToM staff for drain/aspir if you're fighting a mob which is resistant. Also, when considering if a mob is resistant, do not confuse a resistant mob with one that simply takes reduced damage. In some cases, both mechanisms will apply.

The only time you should put away your Dark/Pluto's for non-resistant mobs is if you're using a damage ToM staff or a Diabolos's Pole.

Edit: Correction as explained below.

Edited, Dec 7th 2011 2:15pm by VxSote
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#3 Dec 07 2011 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
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The only time you should put away your Dark/Pluto's for non-resistant mobs is if you're using a damage ToM staff or a Diabolos's Pole.


Well, the damage boost on a magian dark-acc staff will be equivalent to what would be on the Dark Staff, wouldn't it? So technically, your statement should only apply to the Pluto's Staff. Or am I overlooking something else?

I mean, everyone SHOULD already have a Pluto's Staff at least anyway, but yeah
#4 Dec 07 2011 at 7:01 AM Rating: Good
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VxSote wrote:
The only time you should put away your Dark/Pluto's for non-resistant mobs is if you're using a damage ToM staff or a Diabolos's Pole.

I thought I remembered tests showing that Diabolo's Pole was not as effective as Pluto's for Drain/Aspir. Did I miss something somewhere?
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#5 Dec 07 2011 at 10:35 AM Rating: Good
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enigmaticcam wrote:
However, the magic affinity of the dark/pluto's staff is elemental, so it doesn't actually increase drain/aspir damage.

The magic affinity of Dark/Pluto's Staff is Darkness element (as opposed to Light element, or any other element). It doesn't mean it only affects magic that uses Elemental Magic skill, if that's what you meant.
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#6 Dec 07 2011 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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Fynlar wrote:
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The only time you should put away your Dark/Pluto's for non-resistant mobs is if you're using a damage ToM staff or a Diabolos's Pole.


Well, the damage boost on a magian dark-acc staff will be equivalent to what would be on the Dark Staff, wouldn't it? So technically, your statement should only apply to the Pluto's Staff. Or am I overlooking something else?

I mean, everyone SHOULD already have a Pluto's Staff at least anyway, but yeah


Ah yes, you are correct. Unless you get into a situation where you're using a darkness affinity atma, because that would dilute the damage increase of the ToM staff slightly, but not the dark staff. But that's probably a footnote that nobody would even care about.

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VxSote wrote:
The only time you should put away your Dark/Pluto's for non-resistant mobs is if you're using a damage ToM staff or a Diabolos's Pole.

I thought I remembered tests showing that Diabolo's Pole was not as effective as Pluto's for Drain/Aspir. Did I miss something somewhere?
I'm pretty sure I posted a few times over the years explaining that Diabolos's Pole has higher potency than Pluto's. It wasn't completely clear at first because the distribution of aspir/drain damage wasn't completely understood, and the only significant evidence was a higher maximum drain/aspir. But now that we know the distribution is uniform between the max and max/2 (before resists), we know that increasing the max damage means increasing your average as well.

I never did see any evidence to support the theory that Diabolos's pole has no accuracy bonus, and it would require fairly rigorous testing to make that determination. Maybe it has been confirmed at some point though; I haven't looked for new testing on it in a long time.
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#7 Dec 11 2011 at 12:21 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks all for the help! All the info I was reading on it kept referring to elemental magic, so I was a bit confused as to whether or not it also affects dark magic potency. I'll keep my pluto's once I finish it.
#8 Dec 11 2011 at 7:34 PM Rating: Good
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Yea the nomenclature of that stuff has been a pain in the *** around here since the beginning. When talking about Dark (element) Magic and Dark (skill) Magic, be explicit. Otherwise we end up playing a rather unamusing version of "Who's On First?"
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