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It does allow you to take extra hits.
You can see the difference if you head out and AoE a bunch of EP mobs.

I know this, I'm talking about when I tank NMs by spamming nukes, or when I do ga burns while being wailed on. It just never wears anymore.

My understanding is that you think stoneskin is worthless Fynlar (as you stated in main yesterday), so it's either totally hilarious or very scary that you're worried about your aquaveil.

LOL. Theres really no excuse not to be buffing yourself properly. Sorry.

You keep telling yourself that you dont need it then! I can only imagine how slow you must be killing things. I really dont care if you want to be a sub-standard BLM by the way. But I have a feeling that the people in your shell and those you play with might appreciate it slightly.

Why cast any buffs at all with that logic?

We're going around in circles here. It doesn't take much smarts to figure out why you should have stoneskin up, and if you claim to not need it, something is horribly wrong. End of story.

MNK type mobs tend to attack more often for less damage per hit, while non MNK mobs tend to attack less often for more damage per hit. Since Phalanx/Phalanx 2 takes X amount of damage off per hit, it's more effective against MNK type mobs. Fynlar was simply saying that if Phalanx and -PDT gear wasn't sufficient (which is more likely to be the case against non MNK type mobs than against MNK type mobs), then add Mana Wall.

It's no that Mana Wall is more of less effective against certain mobs. It's that Phalanx is more of less effective against certain mobs.

Likewise, it doesn't take much smarts to figure out that Stoneskin is a worthless buff and a timewaster if you're not taking any damage anyway :/




Well, were you training the mobs and -ga farming? If so, then the bolded above would be your primary problem. Phalanx and PDT set is a must to make those mobs harmless, and Phalanx is doubly effective on MNK mobs due to the way they attack.

Another potential problem would be if someone was making the mobs spawn T/VT/IT. Even with Phalanx and full PDT on, even MNK mobs can still tear you apart if you train (and get hit by) too many. They need to be respawned back down to EP-DC level in order to train them with absolutely zero hassle.

If you weren't -ga farming, then I'm not sure what would make Mana Wall "fail", other than running out of MP, but that can happen on any mob. More information is required.




Not if they're spawned at their minimal level, like they should be if you're -ga farming. If they are, I can literally stand around and endlessly tank every mandy in the Attohwa camp, for instance, without ever dying, as long as I do not let Phalanx drop. MNK mobs at minimal level literally hit me for 0 damage unless they crit, and even if they do it's usually still single digit damage. My PDT set isn't even perfect yet (I only have capped PDT during night)

I'm not exaggerating anything.

Edited, Mar 9th 2011 10:56pm by Fynlar

I'm not sure if Konschtat has any MNK mobs... I'm sure you could still -ga farm there though (it IS a Visions zone, so minimal mobs levels would be EP to 90), but when you try it out for the first time you might want to try a MNK mob to practice it with until you get more comfortable with it.

A good practice target is the taurs in Vunkerl around #04.

1) They're MNK mobs
2) Pretty much nobody except other -ga farmers ever go after these mobs, so they will usually be at their minimal level already
3) They aggro and link, making them easy to train
4) They do not deaggro unless you zone/flux them out, making them easy to keep on your train

Staff/cape/torque/Jelly won't make you invincible on these mobs, but it should still be feasible with that setup.

Ice dmg+ magian staff, thunder dmg+ too if you feel like it, and ideal atmas (Beyond, Minikin, Ultimate) are the most important things you can get in the damage department. Anything else you can get is just icing, really.

Most important thing is to stack as much PDT as you can (up to the cap, which I'm assuming is "51%"). Earth Staff is a no-brainer, Jelly Ring as well unless you've already managed to farm yourself some superior Dark Rings in Konschtat[A]. Cheviot/Umbra Cape is great, Goliard legs or A Shantotto Ascension legs, Twilight Torque.

Bear in mind though that whenever you are not nuking, you will want your PDT gear on. This *especially* includes when you are casting Sleepga. You don't even want to take off your Earth Staff for it.



You'll want to Sleepga the mobs. Even if they are MNK types and your PDT set is good enough to take 0 damage from them, you don't want to be taking hits while you're casting your nuke or else you won't be able to (safely) swap out your staff for the nuke.



No, mobs have a habit of hitting you right as they're being slept, and waking themselves up with the spike damage (you'd think this kind of thing shouldn't be able to happen, but it can)

You'll also want to keep any Igqira/Genie gear off, because you don't really want some mobs getting cursed and falling behind the rest of the train.



If Mana Wall is down and you need to get an uninterrupted spell off right NOW, yes. Manafont is more for the uninterrupted casts than the MP in this situation.

If you have maxed pearl+azure AND there currently aren't a bunch of people in your Abyssea zone leaving chests on the ground and screwing up chest drops, you will usually get at least one restore chest with each batch of mobs you kill, so you can be a bit more liberal in your JA usage.

If an Abyssea mob is defeated without being claimed (as a result of AoE, generally), it will be respawned without taking into account the party size/levels of whatever killed it. As a result, most of the mobs will continue to spawn at their "default" low levels, as long as you don't have other people screwing around with your mobs.