Magian staves: MAB vs AffinityFollow

How does the MAB+12 and INT +9 of Shareeravadi +2 compare to the various element Affinity: Magic Damage +5 staves? If it is close, the inventory +6 on the Shareeravadi is rather enticing.

It will give about the damage of an NQ staff, probably lower, and less than 1/4 of the magic accuracy. If Magian Damage+5 staves are a chainsaw, Shareeravadi is a butter knife.

Well that sucks. I wonder why they even offer it as a trial.

i have a question somewhat similar to this. how much MAB would it require to beat the affinity on the HQ staves? im looking at this primarily from the perspective of a blue mage. some of the blu nukes are getting really good so i am doing some INT+ swords. each sword at the end has 9int/10MAB. im guessing that 1 sword isnt enough to beat a HQ staff, but if you dual wield its 18int/20MAB. im not sure how nukes are calculated, but it seems like staff bonus> day/weather> magic burst> magic burst bonus> MAB. if thats right, then wouldnt have an equal amount of MAB as staff bonus give the same results? so in order to beat the 15% from staff, you would need 15MAB?

so, HQ staff=15MAB in terms of damage barring resist rate?

does 18int/20MAB beat HQ staff?

/sigh, this is why i shouldnt post at 2am drunk. of course it has a larger effect since its multiplied and not added. -.-

im assuming your MAB is based inside of abyssea, im confused on how a 15% increase in damage translates to 50% of your current MAB.

how do you have so much MAB? how does half of your MAB=HQ staff's 15% increase?

atma of the lion has thunder att+40. is that 40MAB or 40%?

You actually need a lot less mab than what you had up there for mab to beat out the hq staves. Atleast the one hes implying(15% HQ staff). Yours calculated for the current HQ staves.

@Figster, youll want roughly 38mab with the standard set Rog put for blm. As he mentioned, blue mage would require less than that amount.

And to help you understand why staff damage does so much more than MAB, its because it works on a seperate step on the damage calculation.

1000(base damage) x 1.15(staff) x 1.50(50mab) = 1725
adding them together would be:
1000 x 1.65 = 1650 (as I think youve come to understand)

this is what i thought it was. i was getting confused on how he was getting 75MAB is equal to hq staff. i was running some numbers and the 20MAB is almost the same as staff for blu. i think with atma, gear, traits, tonic im at 143MAB. and then with the next update most likely adding new trials, the swords definitely seem to be the way to go. i kind of wish blu could use those trial staves for some seriously awesome nukes. thanks for the info

Ya as rog said, its going to be more than 36mab with your current mab to beat HQ staves(15%). Not sure were you are getting 20mab.

Im not sure how bluemage spell damage is calculated but ill show you why 20mab is not the same as HQ staff in terms of how its calculated as a blm. Assuming youll have MM on for blue? you should have roughly 182 int with buffs. Ill use ol pudding int of 89 as a target(doesnt really affect the outcome much) and use thunder IV.

[182 - 89] *2 +541 * 1.15 *2.43 = 2031

Now remove the staff bonus, and adding 20mab

[182 - 89] *2 + 541 * 2.63 = 1912

So 20mab at that amount is less than HQ staff(15%), now add that rog said it was higher than 36, so well add 37mab

[182 - 89] *2 + 541 * 2.80 = 2035 checks out.

Hope that helps. Again I have no clue how blue mage factors in damage, but 2.8/2.43 = 15.2% which is higher than HQ staff so it shouldnt matter.

Were you using a magian staff? It seems that bonuses from elemental atmas and magian staves are added, rather than multiplied. To complicate things, the old elemental staff bonus is still a separate multiplier. I haven't yet tested this personally (I intend to do so soon), so take it for what it's worth: http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/91236-Fapworthy-WS-SC-or-MB-damage-IV-We-can-t-read-your-black-text-or-Comic-Sans?p=4377433&viewfull=1#post4377433

Those numbers do make it look like Lion gives ~ +30%. It also looks like Indra+2 is slightly more than +30%. I haven't done any significant testing with my +2 staves yet, but it looks like I should.

BLU spells are not the same as BLM nukes, i herd reports that duel weilding those swords is better then staffs for blu. ( magic based ones anyway)

magic acc has no baring in abyssea with ultimate.

I do not know the math for atmas but outsite it at 75 with the gear at the time it took 30-33 MAB to outdo staffs and the exact amount was dependent on Dint and current MAB gear.

BLU spells are usually based on more then one stat, don't quote what to do on BLU based on gear/ damage formulas for BLM, they are different.

Edited, Feb 25th 2011 1:59am by RambustheRDMtaru