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#1 Dec 27 2010 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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So I took a few months off from the game and just recently came back about 2 weeks ago. Already got my Rdm/Blm/Mnk/War up to 90. My question is, in the time that I've been back and xping, I haven't seen very many if any Blm's using Sorc ring. With Atma's now do people just not use it anymore? I checked the price on the AH and before I left it was around 1.5mil. Now it's around 380k.
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#2 Dec 27 2010 at 8:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd say it dropped in price from people selling off gear before an update and avoiding their gear becoming obsolete. It's still the single best ring for BLM.

With Heroes of Abyssea looking like the end of Abyssea and Atma's being limited by being in Abyssea only, I'd place my bets on it going back up in price for what ever SE decides to release for 91-99.
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#3 Dec 27 2010 at 8:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, with over 150 mab already, it's advantage over aquilo's ring is significantly lessened (though obviously it is significantly better still). Also, it requires you to drop upwards of 1k hp, which is not always a realistic option. I rarely use it myself.

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 9:19pm by ThePsychoticOne
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#4 Dec 28 2010 at 12:49 AM Rating: Default
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why do you need to drop 1000 hp? i still get yellow hp by dropping the amount of hp i would have to with my base hp outside abyssea. i think you need to look over how the hp buff works again.
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#5 Dec 28 2010 at 12:52 AM Rating: Decent
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psubond wrote:
why do you need to drop 1000 hp? i still get yellow hp by dropping the amount of hp i would have to with my base hp outside abyssea. i think you need to look over how the hp buff works again.
Hp boost does not increase the threshold to activate it. If your base hp is 1000, and with cruor buffs you have 1700 hp, you'd still need to have 1000*.76, so 759/1700=44.6% hp.
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#6 Dec 28 2010 at 12:54 AM Rating: Default
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then why am i at yellow with 1300ish hp out of 1700ish?

(not gearing blm atm and going to abyssea right now to get exact numbers i'll do that tomorrow and repost)
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#7 Dec 28 2010 at 12:55 AM Rating: Good
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psubond wrote:
then why am i at yellow with 1300ish hp out of 1700ish?

(not gearing blm atm and going to abyssea right now to get exact numbers i'll do that tomorrow and repost)
Because yellow hp is at <75% hp? Not sure what that has to do with sorc ring, since it has never required yellow hp.
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#8 Dec 28 2010 at 12:58 AM Rating: Default
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if it's best in slot i'm wondering why you wouldn't use it then if you can proc it. perhaps i misread your post but it looked like you couldn't proc it.


and i know you don't have to hit yellow hp to have latent active, i mentioned it to show that the hp boost isn't figured into what would trigger the latent on the ring.
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psubond wrote:
if it's best in slot i'm wondering why you wouldn't use it then if you can proc it. perhaps i misread your post but it looked like you couldn't proc it.


and i know you don't have to hit yellow hp to have latent active, i mentioned it to show that the hp boost isn't figured into what would trigger the latent on the ring.
Of course i can proc it, and i carry around the gear to use it. However sitting at under 700 hp (taru base hp at 90 is 890) isn't always the smartest thing to do.
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#10 Dec 28 2010 at 1:06 AM Rating: Default
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if i'm sitting at 1300ish hp and can proc it you should be able to have 1k hp. not sure why you're not using hp boost from cruor prospector enhancements. can still proc latent and you have enough hp to easily survive with buffs/manawall/emnity douse.


anyways, big difference between rarely and not always. you mentioned before that you rarely use it now you're saying not always.

edit: 1300ish AFTER i proc it.

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 11:07pm by psubond
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#11 Dec 28 2010 at 1:08 AM Rating: Good
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No you can't. Hp boost doesn't change the threshold for sorc ring. If you need 800 hp to activate it outside abyssea, then you need 800 to activate it inside abyssea. It's no different than how convert hp<->mp works in relation to sorc ring.

I mostly only use it for -gaing, since there's no risk involved, and i always have manawall anyway. For nms, i just about never use it.

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 2:09am by ThePsychoticOne
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#12 Dec 28 2010 at 1:09 AM Rating: Default
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where's your testing that shows this. i gotta find the thread on the testing that i read that says you can use hp boost and still proc it.
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#13 Dec 28 2010 at 1:11 AM Rating: Good
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You can still use hp boost, but it won't change the threshold for it. You need to change to -hp gear, then cancel hp boost to activate it. This is nothing new. I'll go retest it for ya though.

Edited, Dec 28th 2010 2:12am by ThePsychoticOne
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#14 Dec 28 2010 at 1:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/98484-Abyssea-Discussion-II-Finally-a-reason-to-be-Windurstian../page10


this is why i figured that you could use your normal latent gear to trigger sorc ring.
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#16 Dec 28 2010 at 1:20 AM Rating: Good
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psubond wrote:
this is why i figured that you could use your normal latent gear to trigger sorc ring.
You can. You simply need to cancel hp boost with the -hp gear on.
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#17 Dec 28 2010 at 1:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
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i think i missed what you were going for there. can't see how much convert gear you are still wearing but you're not down enough hp to trigger at 890.


Edit: going to bed i will perform my own tests tomorrow and post my results. if you are right i'll admit it but those pics don't show me much looking at your hp

Edited, Dec 27th 2010 11:24pm by psubond
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#18 Dec 28 2010 at 1:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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psubond wrote:
Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
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i think i missed what you were going for there. can't see how much convert gear you are still wearing but you're not down enough hp to trigger at 890.
I didn't change gear at any time. You can clearly see i had 875/1487=58.8% hp in the second ss, but still did exactly the same damage as the first. I don't understand how you can respond to that with anything other than "oops, looks like i was wrong".
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#19 Dec 28 2010 at 1:27 AM Rating: Decent
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psubond wrote:
Edit: going to bed i will perform my own tests tomorrow and post my results. if you are right i'll admit it but those pics don't show me much looking at your hp
Uh, yes it does? It shows that i have much less than 75% hp, but sorc ring was not active. As far as the ring goes, i was at 100% hp (875 out of 875 max, ignoring hp<->mp, and +hp% buffs (ie hp boost)).
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#20 Dec 28 2010 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Grand Master Leatherworker ThePsychoticO wrote:
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Wow thanks a ton for this, definitely good info to know. I always just clicked off my HP buff but never thought to actually test it to see if that procs the ring or not.

Would it be safe to assume that uggy works the same way then?
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Sir Reiterpallasch wrote:
Would it be safe to assume that uggy works the same way then?
Yes.
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#22 Mar 05 2011 at 8:12 AM Rating: Good
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ok it appears you were right. not like you will see this but as i said i'll come back admit i was wrong if i was (forgot about this thread don't check this forum very often anymore)
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