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#1 Apr 28 2009 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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Hey all,

My black mage is getting close to 75 finally, and I was curious what my best choice for somewhat easily attainable gear is. I am currently using Wood M ledelsens, int +3 mp +30.

From what I was looking at for obtainable gear for me right now is yigit feet and Cobra unit. My thinking is Cobra would of course offer more damage because of the extra magic attack bonus, but yigit gives 3 more int. So I am probably answering my own question, but I suppose using Cobra when I figure resists won't be a problem and using yigit when they could be? As an Elvaan, I really need all the int I can get is what I am thinking (and won't be meriting int as str is already maxed).

Now if there are any other options out there I would love to hear about them. I am new to being a blm so really don't have a huge idea of what gear there is out there (and I havnt gone all out trying to max my nuking set on rdm yet). At the moment, endgame things I do are Sky and Limbus.

And if you were wondering, notable gear I have up to this point are: z mitts, moldy, ug pendent, and I am waiting til at least 73 before I attempt to trigger the latent in sorcerer's ring. Have about -260 hp once I hit 73 which would put me close to activating it, if not already activating it.
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#2 Apr 28 2009 at 2:04 PM Rating: Default
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my thinking is Cobra would of course offer more damage because of the extra magic attack bonus

Your thinking is wrong.
#3 Apr 28 2009 at 2:17 PM Rating: Good
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Kerberoz wrote:
Your thinking is wrong.


How about elaborate instead of offering a **** comment?


But thinking about it, you might be right... When I added my pendant it added about 40-50 damage on nukes... and seemed to me that 1 int was about 3ish extra damage. lol, those are not specific numbers, but then of course yigit would be better.




Edited, Apr 28th 2009 5:18pm by Nadaa
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#4 Apr 28 2009 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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#5 Apr 28 2009 at 8:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yigit feet will always be the best choice, with Cobra not very far behind them. Get Cobra, then upgrade to Yigit when you can.
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Nadaa wrote:
Kerberoz wrote:
Your thinking is wrong.


How about elaborate instead of offering a **** comment?


But thinking about it, you might be right... When I added my pendant it added about 40-50 damage on nukes... and seemed to me that 1 int was about 3ish extra damage. lol, those are not specific numbers, but then of course yigit would be better.


Why should he have to elaborate? It is pretty clear that he is saying that Yigit > Cobra. If you think that was a **** comment, then you might want to stay away from the scary internet.
#7 Apr 28 2009 at 11:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadaa wrote:
Hey all,

My black mage is getting close to 75 finally, and I was curious what my best choice for somewhat easily attainable gear is. I am currently using Wood M ledelsens, int +3 mp +30.

From what I was looking at for obtainable gear for me right now is yigit feet and Cobra unit. My thinking is Cobra would of course offer more damage because of the extra magic attack bonus, but yigit gives 3 more int. So I am probably answering my own question, but I suppose using Cobra when I figure resists won't be a problem and using yigit when they could be? As an Elvaan, I really need all the int I can get is what I am thinking (and won't be meriting int as str is already maxed).

Easy enough to find out. Youre 72 and elvaan. Im going to sub you as /rdm and put you up against a pudding, which is the normal mob youll be meriting on. Ill having you eating creampuff in this example. With gear/food/base youll have 122 int and +7 MAB in gear with Yigits, and 119 and +8mab with Cobra. 89 is the pudding's(flan) int.

So now for the math, using Aero IV, since that is the strongest spell youll have at that point in time, well assume no HQ staff.

Yigit-
[(122-89) x2 + 440] x1.10(nq staff) x1.39(mab traits+gear)x1.25(magic weakness = 967.09

Cobra-
[(119-89) x2 + 440] x1.10(nq staff) x1.40(mab traits+gear)x1.25(magic weakness = 962.50

There you go, Yigit boots beat out cobra boots by 4-5 points of damage. Theres your answer with the math.
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#8 Apr 29 2009 at 4:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Nadaa wrote:
Kerberoz wrote:
Your thinking is wrong.


How about elaborate instead of offering a **** comment?


You must be new here. You'll probably get used to Kerb sooner or later.... sometimes much later.
#9 Apr 29 2009 at 5:20 AM Rating: Decent
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What about Rostrum Pumps?

Edited, Apr 29th 2009 9:34am by elkinsilvermoon
#10 Apr 29 2009 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Elkin, I think he did add the extra 1 from cobra in his math.

Hitoseijuro wrote:
With gear/food/base youll have 122 int and +7 MAB in gear with Yigits, and 119 and +8mab with Cobra



Thanks for the math here. Just what I was looking for.


Epysian wrote:
Why should he have to elaborate? It is pretty clear that he is saying that Yigit > Cobra. If you think that was a **** comment, then you might want to stay away from the scary internet.


As far as this comment goes.... Do you believe everything people say without reason?

edit: looks like Elkin took out his comment about the magic attack bonus....

Edited, Apr 29th 2009 8:51am by Nadaa
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#11 Apr 29 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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elkinsilvermoon wrote:
What about Rostrum Pumps?

Edited, Apr 29th 2009 9:34am by elkinsilvermoon


Yigit > R. Pumps
#12 Apr 29 2009 at 7:48 AM Rating: Default
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Nadaa wrote:
Kerberoz wrote:
Your thinking is wrong.


How about elaborate instead of offering a **** comment?

His response might have been a "**** comment", but you hardly took the high road in your response.

To elaborate, when comparing INT and MAB, the ratio where they are approximately the same damage wise is 2 ~ 2.5 INT to 1 MAB. That's not an exact measurement, since this point can shift depending on what your nuking, how much INT you already have, how much MAB you already have, etc. Even at 2INT:1MAB, INT will tend to edge out the MAB by a few points of damage. The ratio needs to be below 2:1 for MAB to be better.

To go from Yigit to Cobra Crackows, you're giving up 3 INT for 1 MAB. Since the ratio is 3:1, you would be better of with Yigit. Not to mention that INT also gives magic accuracy.
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#13 Apr 29 2009 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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dont think he was counting cobra as 1 mab, but 1 more than yigit

edit: nevermind, seems i had an old page up, and he corrected his response

Edited, Apr 29th 2009 12:10pm by bodhizapha
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#14 Apr 29 2009 at 11:28 AM Rating: Good
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For straight nuking, Yigit Crackows are indeed the best option available (unless you happen to be leveling into full Morrigans(in which case, I hate you =P ).

There are other options that should definitely be considered too, for instances when you aren't nuking:

Rostrum Pumps - Macro these in before a spell is cast, and back out to nuking/enfeebling/etc. feet before the spell finishes casting to take advantage of the fast cast as well as the bonuses on your other gear in the slot at time of cast.

Goliard Clogs - The +2 MAcc on these is stellar for enfeebles! Not to mention the +4 int is great for Ele DoTs, and the +3 HMp! Also pretty nice for a Stoneskin build with +4 Mnd. An alternative to these are Avocat Pigaches which offer the same HMp as well as +3 Enfeebling Skill.

Nashira Crackows - These are useful for HNM where resists might be an issue due the +5 Elemental Skill on them, with an added bonus of +1% haste.

Vampiric Boots - If you are lucky enough to get these and the Vampiric Mitts from the First Lieutenant assaults, the set gives a bonus 30% HP/MP return from Drain/Aspir!

While Blm may be all about the nukes on the front end, it's not the only thing we do. Mastery comes from being able to handle all aspects of the job. Proper gear makes that task easier.


Edited, Apr 29th 2009 3:40pm by Walpoon
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#17 Apr 29 2009 at 1:23 PM Rating: Default
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As Elvaan BLM I use the upper tier RSE feet atm. I plan on getting Goliard one day and yigit very soon. As Elvaan I try to put a mix of MP as well as the other stats. For instance I use the forest belt, I give up 1int (if I use Pentinent Rope) but I get 60mp, I also use AF hat over the demon helm (upgrading to +1 soon)I still do more damage than other races (except Taru of course). Good luck on your blm gearing, it's a fun job and sometimes makes we wish I was Taru :D
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#18 Apr 30 2009 at 6:17 AM Rating: Decent
I use golaird!!!! I don't have yigit!!!
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#19 Apr 30 2009 at 8:59 AM Rating: Good
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umm...

How does Cobra compare to Goliard?

I mean, i already have Goliard, and i am like 3k notes short of cobra, so that one could go easily.

Yigit is still far off. No one does assaults anymore.

Suppose you got a base of 120 int and 43 MAB (From traits + Mold + Weskit ), what would be better? Adding 4 more INT or 3 MAB?
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umm...

How does Cobra compare to Goliard?

I mean, i already have Goliard, and i am like 3k notes short of cobra, so that one could go easily.

Yigit is still far off. No one does assaults anymore.

Suppose you got a base of 120 int and 43 MAB (From traits + Mold + Weskit ), what would be better? Adding 4 more INT or 3 MAB?

Max damage while wearing Cobra Crackows will be higher, but Goliard Clogs will give you better magic accuracy. Cobra/Yigit would be good for situations where you expect low resist rates already.

Edit: since Cobra gives no form of magic accuracy, Goliard Clogs would also be better for enfeebles, drain, aspir and elemental DoTs.

Edited, Apr 30th 2009 1:06pm by svlyons
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wyrmnax wrote:
umm...

How does Cobra compare to Goliard?

I mean, i already have Goliard, and i am like 3k notes short of cobra, so that one could go easily.

Yigit is still far off. No one does assaults anymore.

Suppose you got a base of 120 int and 43 MAB (From traits + Mold + Weskit ), what would be better? Adding 4 more INT or 3 MAB?


Goliard-
[(124-89) x2 +541] x1.15(hq staff) x1.43(mab) x1.25(weakness)= 1255.99

Cobra-
[(120-89) x2 +541] x1.15(hq staff) x1.46(mab) x1.25(weakness)= 1265.55

Cobra win by a good amount. If you are just exping, using Cobra boots over Golaird is fine. On more resistant mobs, Id use the Golairds.

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Goliard Clogs would also be better for enfeebles, drain, aspir and elemental DoTs.

And this

-edited due to Princess' corrections in the following post.

Edited, May 1st 2009 8:12am by hitoseijuro
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hitoseijuro wrote:
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Goliard Clogs would also be better for enfeebles, drain, aspir and elemental DoTs.

And this, until you can find something better, like the boots from Iriz ZNM pop and nashira boots.

i don't think so.
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i don't think so.

Eh, they are about the same in acc, was aiming at the -emnity factor, but that would only be handy on HNM scenes, and on those, goliard acc would be slightly better, so ya, Goliard are better, was over looking the int acc factor. The real issue though is why are there so many commas in that last sentence. I dont have the equation for that answer...
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Yigit are silly easy to get >.> this late in ToAU there's no real reason not to have them, since with captain it's easy to do a few extra assaults per week for points and still have the points to do Salvage or Nyzul.

Edited, May 2nd 2009 9:15pm by Denmarker
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