Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Carmine solo? Input greatly appreciated!Follow

#1 Feb 10 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
**
951 posts
Ok, I checked through the threads and didn't see any recent topic on this so please forgive me if it has been covered previously. Here goes...

I am looking to solo Carmine Dobsonfly solo on BLM to get myself a Voyager Sallet. Long story short, I am tired of coming up empty for a helm when going on runs. Especially, when on just about every run I have been on only 1 helm has dropped with 6 people trying to lot on it. Not great odds at all.

I have read up on the wiki strategy for the solo BLM method and it is pretty self explanatory. I specifically leveled my BLM to level 43 just so I could do this and I am ready to try. I need to get myself a scale and the time, and I will be ready to attempt it.

I just wanted to get a little feedback from the BLM community on this from others who have solo'd their sallet.

-How many deaths/delevels can I expect if I have to kill all ten NM copies for the helm to drop? Is 3k exp into level 43 enough to keep from dropping under 40?

-Is there a different/better strategy or set of spells I should use to make the solo go easier?

-Is their a thread already on this topic I missed that someone could point me to?

-Is there a certain vana day(s) that I should attempt this on that would make my spells more potent or make the mobs resist less?

-And just any general knowledge that the wiki strategy missed that I may need to know about.

An old lsmate used to brag that on his old server he killed all 10 copies on several occasions for friends as BLM and DIDN'T DIE ONE SINGLE TIME. He has since left our ls and I have not seen hide nor hare of him since then.

Obviously, if the strategy he used is possible, that would be the way to go. I just don't see how he did it unless he Thundaga >>> BioII >>> Sleepga >>> Bind the starting mob then zoned, or something to that effect then just repeated over an over.

Any input/tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for reading!
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#2Haletxamehk, Posted: Feb 12 2009 at 3:52 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Carmine_Dobsonfly/Strategies
#3 Feb 12 2009 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
**
951 posts
Quote:
I have read up on the wiki strategy for the solo BLM method

Yeah, I have read over that a million times, but thanks for replying. ^^

I was hoping more for the latter questions to be answered, like if there IS A WAY to solo these with no deaths and if there were any steps/tips left out of the wiki guide to help make this solo easier.

Update:
I have been speaking with an lsmate who would love this helm also and I ran the idea of him bringing along his THF and sitting outside the party. Letting me solo each fly down to about 2-3%ish, inviting him so he can then use SA to finish the flies off.

This would help a lot with the drop rate (I hope, lol), speed up kills (a little), and I wouldn't mind a little company to come along to keep my sanity if (and god I hope that's a BIG IF) the first set of ten flies don't drop 1-2 helms.

Now, I just have to find time to do it while the wifey is away, lol. (^_^)
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#4Haletxamehk, Posted: Feb 13 2009 at 5:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) From the looks of it, no.
#5 Feb 20 2009 at 6:36 AM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
Well, decided to go back and get some extra exp pts on my BLM to prepare for the inevitable de-levels that are probably going to come from attempting to solo this NM. Just hit 44 and may end up going to 46ish before I attempt it.

Also, I already farmed my giant scale so I am good to go there. Still juggling the idea of bringing a THF buddy and have him build TP and SAWS each copy when they are 1-2% near death and while I have their attention, just for his TH. If we can get 2 helms to drop of a few flies as opposed to having to kill all 10, then I am definitely all for that. May save me a ton of exp that way.

On a side note, that taru lsmate I spoke of that says he solo'd the NM's with no deaths has recently come back into the fold of our ls. I asked him last night how he does it and he won't give up his secret. :( I asked him to help me duo the NMs and he says he likes to solo them, but can't help me because he hasn't done CoP high enough yet to get Riverne access (he "lost" [I didn't ask, lol] his old character on a different server and he started new on our server with a new taru mage)but he swears to me he could solo them on his old character so I believe him. ^_^ Wish I knew how he solo'd them with no deaths....

Anyways, I will keep this thread updated when I decide to attempt it and if anything major changes in my approach to this issue. Thanks!
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#6 Feb 20 2009 at 8:48 AM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
***
1,285 posts
I wouldn't believe him.
#7 Feb 20 2009 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
Sage
**
501 posts
^ I agree. I mean what does him not telling anyone do for him? It's not like he can make money out of it by keeping the method to himself, especially if he can't even go there.
____________________________
I am matter...
I am antimatter...
I can see your past...
I can see your future...
I consume time...
And I will consume you!
#8 Feb 20 2009 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
*
123 posts
yeah.. i can solo them too, without dying.. and Nidhogg.. and KB.. at the same time.. on brd..
#9 Feb 20 2009 at 11:04 PM Rating: Decent
Sage
****
5,550 posts
I would let your THF buddy PD tank them while you go all out on as many of them as you can nuke (one at a time), and then mana/sleepga right before PD wears off, and then try to take as many as you can down, with sleepga at the ready and maybe even the thf ready with sleep bolts.
____________________________
Mindel wrote:
Don't listen to bisexuals.
Aripyanfar wrote:
All bi's are slut-tarts.
#10 Feb 21 2009 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Scholar
****
5,159 posts
Tarub wrote:
I would let your THF buddy PD tank them while you go all out on as many of them as you can nuke (one at a time), and then mana/sleepga right before PD wears off, and then try to take as many as you can down, with sleepga at the ready and maybe even the thf ready with sleep bolts.


A) The THF would never be able to hold hate on even a single fly.
B) The flies like to cast Aeroga. A lot.
#11 Feb 23 2009 at 6:11 AM Rating: Default
**
951 posts
Quote:
yeah.. i can solo them too, without dying.. and Nidhogg.. and KB.. at the same time.. on brd..

lmao
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#12 Feb 27 2009 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
*
65 posts
I did this with my bro and got our Voyager Sallets after 20 flies-_-
We just followed the wiki guide, Nuke -> Dot -> dead -> raise and do it over.
umm think we lost about 20k exp or so (can't really remember). The drop rate on the Voyager Sallet is really low ( at least for us). We did it 2 days and on the 2nd day one of us sub thf for TH and got our helm on the last 2 flies lol.
Never gonna do that again EVER!

#13 Mar 02 2009 at 8:55 AM Rating: Good
**
951 posts
Quote:
umm think we lost about 20k exp or so

Ugh...this is what I was dreading hearing. God I hope I don't have to burn through 20 flies to get it to drop....

On a side note, my ls finally manned up and went to kill this NM I'd been begging them to help me kill for months now....WITHOUT ME. 4 members got a sallet and promptly rubbed it in my face. Thanks guys.
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#14 Mar 03 2009 at 12:54 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
***
1,107 posts
It's literally a joke with 3 SMN and a THF (or PLD) puller, which you might be able to manage with just the SMNs. While I get that soloing would be more convenient it seems with the huge loss of xp it probably isn't worth it, plus getting SMN to 40 isn't that hard and it comes in handy. So you basically need to just find two other SMNs to help.

Iirc, also can be done with 2 SMN and a BLM.

Plus with your suicide runs you always fear losing claim if some SMNs come in to AF the bunch. Anywho good luck on figuring out a good way to solo.

Your lsmate who's former character was more than likely LM17-d for pos hack probably could solo them before he got banned. When people say they can solo things like that and then opt to not do it or provide proof it just seems fishy,

Best of luck though.
____________________________
80 Pup Brd, 75 War Rdm Drg Sam Mnk Pld Bst Thf Whm Nin Smn Blm Rng, 72 Drk, 63 Cor, 50 Blu, 40 Dnc Sch
#15 Mar 03 2009 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
*
214 posts
i hope you left that ls, thats lame they wouldnt help you, then did it without you and then rubbed it in your face...as for the guy who can solo it...i call bs on that, if he could do it with out cheating there would be no reason not to tell you since the drops are r/x and he cant enter the zone anyway

as for my own dobson fly story...me and another ls mate went up there to see if they were up and sure enough they were all there but 1 ( we figured a blm soloed one got the drop he wanted and bailed), we called a few smns from out ls and killed all 9... we got 2 sallets, 3 rings and a sh*t load of bandanas

im curious how your story ends, so when you end up doing it, lets us know how it works out for ya. gl.
____________________________
bodhi the blm (blu now too)
the most cynical, sarcastic, bastard sylph has to offer

[ffxisig]92926[/ffxisig]
#16 Mar 03 2009 at 8:41 AM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
The wife is headed out of town in a week or so for a couple of weeks so I may try to gather up all the SMN's in the ls and head up there. 20k exp loss is not sounding very appetizing at the moment so I will only resort to that if I can't get help, lol.

With the limited time I get to play, losing 20k exp scares me. ^^;

Anyways, I will update if I have to solo them.
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#17 Mar 03 2009 at 10:29 AM Rating: Default
****
5,444 posts
KingGalkaKhael wrote:
On a side note, my ls finally manned up and went to kill this NM I'd been begging them to help me kill for months now....WITHOUT ME. 4 members got a sallet and promptly rubbed it in my face. Thanks guys.


bodhizapha wrote:
i hope you left that ls, thats lame they wouldnt help you, then did it without you and then rubbed it in your face.


KingGalkaKhael wrote:
With the limited time I get to play, losing 20k exp scares me. ^^;

I'm guessing that your LS formed a run without you because you play this game on limited time. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect help from your LS from time to time. But if you're on a limited schedule, you can't expect a bunch of players -- all fitting their play time around differing in-game goals and differing real life schedules -- to set aside time just to help you, especially when it involves a 24-hour NM that requires some amount of farming (Giant Scale) and travel.

I play on limited time as well, so I can understand the difficulties of trying to accomplish things in this game with limited play time. But I came to the conclusion that certain things will simply be out of reach for me as a result.
____________________________
Lyonheart, like Eorzia, will be reborn in FFXIV!

FFXI veteran (Lyonheart and Lakiskline of Lakshmi)
1/467 on signed HQ Weskit!!!
#18 Mar 10 2009 at 8:01 AM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
Yeah, I understand a lot of people can't group up at a moments notice and head up to kill a 21-24 NM as easily as others. I'm not mad at all they got their rings and sallets, glad they are going to good use for lsmates who have helped me on tons of other things besides this NM. Just frustrated over the fact that I have went 0-7 on that dumb NM's drop.

Anyways, like I said, I should have some free time coming up while the wife is out of town. Hope to get Sallet and Swift Belt in that time.

My ls will help me, I'm positive of that, just have to be a little more patient (damn you SE, lol) with this NM. Plus, I already have my scale so now just need time to be on my side. ^_^
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#19 Mar 26 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
1,707 posts
Glad I saw this post. I have been working on this the past day or so. I already had a giant scale so I went up last night to try.

The main problem (not mentioned on wiki) is that there are bomb clusters and a firedrake up there. So its not big deal to start off on a fly thats near you, but once you RR and wait for Bio to wear off, by that time the fly you are working on has travelled half way accross the map. You are forced to follow him around without getting aggro from bombs or the firedrake. If you do get aggro, the best you can do is try to cast a quick poison spell or maybe Shock - and run to a safe area to die.

Also, the bombs magic aggro from a long range. If you get magic aggro you really won't have time to cast Drain and then BioII before dying. From my experience your chances of getting both of those off are 50/50.

Eventually, I had one fly down to about 30% then I had some bad luck and right after I reraised the firedrake turned and ran right at me while I was in the middle of putting up RR again. I died and had to home point and now I need another giant scale. I soloed one firedrake on my bst, but didn't get a drop. I died two times after that trying to solo more of them and logged off for the night.

By far the hardest part is dealing with the aggro while you chase around a single fly. You really need to bring many stacks of prism powders in addition to all of the rr earrings.

My plan is to try this on RDM instead. I think having fast cast will help. Also, I may convince someone else to come up there with me to speed it up. One person cast Drain at the same time the other casts BioII. Then one follow up with Poison and the other follow up with Shock.

With two people the risk of losing your DoT due to aggro goes way down, and having drain plus 3 DoT's on a single fly will immensely speed up the process. Of course you may need to do it all twice to get both of you a Sallet.

#20 Mar 26 2009 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
7 posts
I've solo'd and duo'd with a whm, on several occasions on this nm. When soloing, most of the time you'll only get bio II off and won't live to cast drain unless there are less than 3 Carmines left.

I found it easier and extremely affordable to bring a whm friend or even a scholar friend to be there to raise as going through 20 odd something reraise earrings is hella expensive. Also, if you're relying on the RR earring only, sometimes you'll get into sticky situations where you may die in a bad spot and when you get up, you may get aggro from the bomb or drake and die instantly without getting reraise up in time which then you'll need to hp.

My advice is to definetly bring a friend with raise, it will make it a lot easier. Basically have your whm camp in a safe place and close enough to the Carmine you are trying to kill. Then cast Bio II, run back to camp as you are about to die and then have your whm raise you immediately. When you kill it, make sure the NM's name is in red when you claim it. If it dies from Bio II unclaimed with the name in white, you won't get any drops since it died unclaimed. The best way to avoid this is to wait till the Bio II gets it's HP to 2% then Elemental Seal and Drain it and pray that it dies.

Going /nin makes it easier as you'll get more time to run to camp because of shadows, before you die but the 3rd run I went /thf and got it on first the fly. If you're bringing a whm, make sure they are not in party as they may get hit from AoE and get aggro. So have the whm help outside pt. I got mine on the 4th run, killed 31 Carmines and lost about 125 000 exp, almost deleveled to 73. Hope this helps.

Edited, Mar 27th 2009 12:23am by Evez
#21 Mar 27 2009 at 10:04 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
1,707 posts
Jesus. No that didn't help! lol. 1/31 is very discouraging.

I got a few more giant scales last night so I plan on going at it again this weekend. A friend offered to bring his RDM mule up there for Raise so I guess I will take him up on it. Since I need to kill at 2% with Drain I guess using RDM is not an option. Perhaps once its at 2% I will invite my friend and since he should not be weakened he can nuke it while I cast drain just to make sure we get the kill and any drop.

#22 Mar 28 2009 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
***
1,387 posts
Quote:
lost about 125 000 exp



wow.
____________________________
THF75 BLM75 WAR75 NIN75 RDM51 BST38

lolgaxe+1 wrote:
Shock value isn't always a bad thing. Square Enix does it all the time. I mean, put a Ninja in a Walahra Turban and have him two hour. Is that politically correct? NO.

#23 Mar 28 2009 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
Scholar
*
233 posts
Suprisingly this NM isn't terrible to solo, the tricky part is just being alive when it dies. I learned the hard way 1% damage is alot when you are double weak. Another problem is that you will eventually run low on mp, and occaissionally the fly will run quite far from camp so its hard to rest mp and chase it down before it regains hp. I would suggest subbing NIN so you have a chance to run to the very corner of the area to avoid aggro when you reraise. The flies will always open with a spell, so it gives you time to run.

I got very lucky when I did this NM, I solo'd 2 then a group came. They waited until I was at about 5% with my third fly and pulled and killed it. They ended up getting 4 sallets and only needed 3 so they invited me and said sorry for killing my fly. Lucky me. Anyway...

Get 3 SMNs and a PLD and this will take you 20minutes and zero deaths. I would advice not using BLM as a SMN substitute because with 10 targets your highest AoE spell will hardly do 5-10%.

If you do go the solo route, bring a few ethers or yagudo drinks just for those tricky times. Also, try to get bio off each round as it is your most constant spell as far as duration. Learn your timers and get bio replaced as soon as its off.
#24 Mar 29 2009 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
1,707 posts
I killed 4 flys and got a Ring and the Sallet... so I guess I was pretty lucky with drops. If course after I got my Sallet, my linkshell decided they were now interested in killing it too so we went up with 3SMN, 1 PLD and 1 BLM and killed off the remaining flys and got 2 more Sallets.

A note of CAUTION: When the fly gets to low health (below around 15%), do NOT use drain until you are ready for the kill. I lost a kill doing this. The mob was at like 12% or something and I used Bio2 then Drain. After I reraised I let it get to 2% then I used Elemental Seal and went to kill it using Drain. But it would not cast Drain!!!!

I kept getting the message "Can not cast this spell right now" I started to panic as it went to 1% and I couldn't figure out what was going on. Bio2 wore off at 1% and I didn't know what do do so I panicked and casted Bio2 again and started running hoping that it would die. Well, I died first, then the fly died 2 seconds later and I didn't get any drops due to losing claim.

Well, my dumb a$$ didn't even realize that the reason for this mistake was that my Drain recast timer was not up yet. So on the next fly I did the same damned thing. Only this time at 1% it still had Bio2 on it so I cast Poison and started hauling a$$. Luckily it died right before I did and I got the Sallet.

Again, the moral of the story is... save your Drain timer when you start getting near death. I prefer to let it get to 1% then use ES + Drain. If you try it at 2% you may get mostly resisted and not kill it.

Good Luck.

#25 Mar 30 2009 at 1:00 PM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
Finally got around to trying this, this past weekend and it did not go well at all, lol. Went with 2 other blm's and a RDM oustide the party raisng us, the plan was to kind of alternate between the three of us nuke >bio2 >drain >shock >die >raise then the next mage in line repeat until we got each fly down to 1-2% then nuke for a kill and get drops. This however....did not happen.

First off, I told one of the BLM's who had never fought carmine to read the wiki strategy on soloing them and prepare accordingly. He did not. He came /SCH with NO invis at all and ended up getting aggro 4-5 times before we even got to carmine's island and dying the same amount of times. So, now he's pissed because he has died so many times already and the second BLM who is coming to meet us at the Unstable Displacement announces "oh yeah btw, I can't die more than once or I delevel" in /party talk while in route. Great. So now I have 2 of the 3 BLM's who no longer want to die as a viable strategy in getting this done. So I say @#%^ it. I will do the BLM solo strategy while you guys just try and ES sleepga them in hopes that I may get off a few more nukes or zone out of the area to save myself a few deaths.

Nope, we proceed to wipe on the first pull because I think (not sure) that neither of them used ES before sleepga so it didn't stick and flies murder everything. Ok try 2. Pretty much the same results as the first, I pull nuke >bio2 >drain >shock then they sleepga and again it didn't stick. Ok so now they don't want to die at all, period. So I start BLM solo, pull bio2 >die >raise >nuke >bio2 >drain >die >raise >etc, etc. This ACTUALLY starts working until
Quote:
So its not big deal to start off on a fly thats near you, but once you RR and wait for Bio to wear off, by that time the fly you are working on has travelled half way accross the map. You are forced to follow him around without getting aggro from bombs or the firedrake. If you do get aggro, the best you can do is try to cast a quick poison spell or maybe Shock - and run to a safe area to die.

The fly whose ass I am kicking decides to wander all the way across to the other side of the island. I can't keep up and It ends up regen'ing to full. The RDM raising me said I had it down to 2% before it got out of my range. OMFG!

So ok, I rest to full and pick a new fly to start on and again it starts to work until the fly wanders off and behind the firedrake on the island. So, it too, regens to full and I have to pick and start all over on a new fly. Yada yada this happens a few more times then I start to notice the flies are building up a quick resistance to my Bio. It starts wearing off faster and faster than I can raise and refresh a bit of mp before engaging the flies again. As a last resort I start simply doing 3 Dot's on a fly and just abandoning nuking all together. This seems to work and I start winning again and then I'll be damned if that @#%^ing fly didn't wander off out of my range again and regen to full. I was sooo @#%^ing frustrated I just gave up and everyone left (the RDM and myself) warped out.

I am sure noone will want to help me try again after the horror stories that were heard in ls chat (so the RDM knew what was going on) so I will probably have to find some SMN's and a PLD to try again, lol. Anyways, I will get it one day I swear....
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#26 Mar 30 2009 at 2:41 PM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
1,707 posts
KingGalkaKhael,

Sorry to hear about your troubles. Next time perhaps just go solo and don't convolute the experience with "help" from your buddies.

I highly recommend using Tonko:Ichi after every Reraise. The process that I was using was...

Cast Bio2,
Die,
Reraise,
use Utsusemi:Ichi
use Reraise Earring
use Tonko: Ichi
Run to where they fly is and make sure he is targeted
Rest for 1 or 2 ticks
Get up and catch up to the fly
As soon as Bio2 wears off, recast Bio2
Run back to a "safe" area to die.

Rinse and repeat

Save Elemental Seal + Drain for when the fly is at 1 or 2%



Edited, Mar 30th 2009 6:42pm by Mithsavvy

Edited, Mar 30th 2009 6:42pm by Mithsavvy
#27 Mar 31 2009 at 6:01 AM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
Man, I never thought of that...I'm such an idiot! I didn't even think about Tonko as a way to get around the bombs, lol. I'm gonna give it another shot I think and keep it simple like you have suggested, bio2 (maybe 1 more DoT like shock) then die in a safe spot, RR, then utsusemi/tonko, then track the fly back down and repeat. That sounds very doable. I will report back when I get another shot at it. ^^
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#28 Mar 31 2009 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
Scholar
*
233 posts
I tried using the ele debuffs too, but for 25mp they were too unreliable so I just ended up sticking with Bio2. Also, I'm not real sure if you can sleep them. That might have been why the resisted the ES sleepga.
#29 Mar 31 2009 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
1,707 posts
They are sleepable. I'm not sure how resistant they are. We did a small run last week with pld, smnx3, blm. After the first three Diamond Dusts, the BLM used sleepga and forgot to use Elemental Seal first - he still slept all but three of the flys. Bards can sleep them as well. If you got resisted on sleep perhaps it was a bad day of the week (lightsday?). Also, double wind weather can exist on that island. The flys seem to like Windsday and wind weather and may be more resistant at those times.

#30 Apr 01 2009 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
^ K good to know, thanks for the heads up! I finally helped my buddy duo his Swift Belt (1-6, same as me, lmao) so I actually have some free time to try and pull together a run or attempt solo again. We have plenty of SMN's in the ls but they are very rarely ever all on at the same time together. I'll get that damn helm 1 way or another....
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#31 Apr 02 2009 at 7:32 AM Rating: Decent
3 posts
as the buddy goes that could solo with no deaths.. i know its possible duo. does he mean solo with 2 chars? (him controilling both type solo lol?)
____________________________
Unicorn Bst LvL 75-- R.I.P 12-12-05
#32 Apr 02 2009 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
***
1,707 posts
What is the strategy for Duo with no deaths?
#33 Apr 09 2009 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
**
951 posts
Yes, do tell. I'd like to know the duo method with no deaths. :)
____________________________
Khael of Lakshmi
Galka Beastmaster
=========================================================================
BST90/THF90/WAR90/BLM77/MNK66/DRK65/NIN62/PLD50/WHM50/RDM50/BLU50/DRG50/SAM50/DNC50/RNG43/SMN40/
ToAU 22/WoTG 4- Help Me Out!
Diabolos Fight- Help Me Out!
#34 Apr 09 2009 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
233 posts
I'd assume it has something to do with zoning after each bio, then the other person bios while u zone back in...but again, if the flies are far away you have a high probability of dying when you attempt to run across the entire zone with several flies spamming at you.
#35 Apr 22 2009 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
Scholar
*
186 posts
Evez wrote:
I've solo'd and duo'd with a whm, on several occasions on this nm. When soloing, most of the time you'll only get bio II off and won't live to cast drain unless there are less than 3 Carmines left.

I found it easier and extremely affordable to bring a whm friend or even a scholar friend to be there to raise as going through 20 odd something reraise earrings is hella expensive. Also, if you're relying on the RR earring only, sometimes you'll get into sticky situations where you may die in a bad spot and when you get up, you may get aggro from the bomb or drake and die instantly without getting reraise up in time which then you'll need to hp.

My advice is to definetly bring a friend with raise, it will make it a lot easier. Basically have your whm camp in a safe place and close enough to the Carmine you are trying to kill. Then cast Bio II, run back to camp as you are about to die and then have your whm raise you immediately. When you kill it, make sure the NM's name is in red when you claim it. If it dies from Bio II unclaimed with the name in white, you won't get any drops since it died unclaimed. The best way to avoid this is to wait till the Bio II gets it's HP to 2% then Elemental Seal and Drain it and pray that it dies.

Going /nin makes it easier as you'll get more time to run to camp because of shadows, before you die but the 3rd run I went /thf and got it on first the fly. If you're bringing a whm, make sure they are not in party as they may get hit from AoE and get aggro. So have the whm help outside pt. I got mine on the 4th run, killed 31 Carmines and lost about 125 000 exp, almost deleveled to 73. Hope this helps.

Edited, Mar 27th 2009 12:23am by Evez


^^ I think this is probably the best advice for soloing these NMs. To add to this: don't actually party up with the person raising you. The hate is shared by the party so that even someone in the party who does nothing will still be on the hate list -- I can confirm this. Have your raiser be outside of party; once they raise you they can immediately rest mp -- the flies do not aggro; they only link with party-shared hate.

One other piece of advice I can give is to NOT drop any of the unwanted rare/ex drops that you obtain from the flies. Assuming that you are soloing, the rare/ex gear you already have cannot drop again, forcing the sallet to drop (I can also confirm this, as this was how everyone in the group eventually got theirs -- just have the person getting the gear be the one to get the final blow and not be in a party, provided they already have all the other rare/ex drops from the flies).

As for anyone claiming to solo this without dieing, I find that hard to believe. All the flies link regardless of their distance from each other, and they quickly build resistance to sleep.
____________________________
PS2: Hades / BRD75 BLM75 RDM75 RNG75 WHM72
Windurst Rank 10; San D'Oria Rnak 10; Bastok Rank 9; ZM Last Verse; CoP Last Verse; ToAU completed
#36 May 25 2009 at 9:44 PM Rating: Excellent
***
2,285 posts
I just got my Sallet (Jaeger Ring and Banadanna too), finally, after a few solos, a ton of RR earrings, lots of XP and a few wasted scales. I basically did what everyone else did, nothing fancy.

--------------------

RR+Utsu.

Thundaga.

Bio II.

Poison/Shock if you have the chance.

Run back to the Displacement.

Die. As soon as you get up, RR again, Utsu and Tonko in case your targetted fly decides to wander past the bombs.

Thundaga again.

Bio II.

Hopefully you died near the Displacement again. Same deal with RR/Utsu/Tonko.

You're now double-weakened, as the Wiki writeup stated, so damaging spells are out, save for Drain (plus you're lowish on MP as it is).

Wait for Bio II to wear, then reapply it.

Drain if you can.

Repeat the RR/Utsu/Tonko > Bio II as needed until your fly is at ~4%, then Elemental Seal and Drain it. This should kill it unless you get a horribly unlucky resist.

--------------------

The most important thing is to keep Bio on it at all times. They regen pretty fast, so if Bio drops and you've yet to reapply RR, be prepared for it to tick up a few % HP until you can get Bio back on it safely. This sets you back a few steps and just costs you more XP/RR earrings, so make sure to keep an eye on when it wears.

It's pretty simple, but extremely painful on the wallet and on the XP. Take it slow and keep the reward in mind, don't get cocky and try to overnuke it before you land Bio, as I did a few times, since they'll regen back more HP than damage you did while you're lying on the floor thinking about what you've done. Smiley: lol

I've also found that the Kupofried Refresh bonus is very useful for this. I didn't have to rest once at all, and you won't have the time to most of the time. Remember a fresh Signet before you go and if the flies happen to not be up and you plan on staying logged in waiting for them to pop, I'd recommend taking a Signet Staff along with you just in case your Signet decides to wear at a bad time. Most of this is just extra precaution but it's totally worth it in the long run. I'd also recommend taking as many RR earrings as you can hold just in case - you can always sell what you didn't use back and I'd rather be safe than have to waste time farming another Scale.

As a final note: I don't see how solo would be possible at all - can't DoT (and therefore can't keep them from regening) because Sleepga wouldn't stick and you wouldn't be able to catch them all in one Sleepga cast anyway, as they're spread widely throughout the island. Coupled with their -ga that would strip shadows, you won't be able to get off more than two decently fast-casting spells max before they ripped you to shreds. If you were down to the last fly or two, sure, you may be able to handle it without dying, but any more than three I don't see happening at all.

Hope this helps!

EDIT: Oh! Don't worry about bringing level-appropriate gear. I did all of my solos in Errant Body/legs with a Dark Staff (lol) and random accessories thrown in other slots. You're spending most of your time getting your ass kicked and you kinda want to die asap so you can get up and prepped to land another Bio as soon as you can.

Edited, May 26th 2009 1:48am by Solrain
____________________________
zellbaca wrote:
Second, that's not how spell animations work. We wrap our arms around our faces and magic beetle shadows and sh*t fly at the targets.
kenage wrote:
And yes before you ask I'm mexican and you better not piss me off about warrior and tequila or I will drop down from the donkey and hit you with my awesome guitar.
Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 16 All times are in CDT
Anonymous Guests (16)