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#1 Jul 24 2007 at 3:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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So I've recently had an urge to try and do some of the limbus' solo using my BLM. My gear isn't top notch, so to speak, but I'm confident in my enfeebling skill, I'm sitting on 275 enfeebling skill for most situations.

Anyways my primary goal is to farm up some anct. beastcoins, and maybe get my hands on a hand full of AF items (mostly for my BST, but some for my BLM would be nice too). I don't have any experience with duoing, or manaburning Limbus, nor do I think I'd be able to get anyone to go along with me, but I'd like to hear some strategies and recomendations from anyone who's done it.

Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide.
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#2 Jul 24 2007 at 7:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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I used to solo Apollyon NW a lot, till I teamed up with another blm and now we duo it ftw. As far as I know, it is the most rewarding solo run if you're looking for Ancient Beastcoins, and it can get your the BLM's item for Apollyon to upgrade your AF.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/NW_Apollyon

Note: All the mobs link, except the bosses. Careful when pulling.

1st Floor
Kill the Bardhas untill the vortex to the 2nd floor open. They take a bit to kill, but unlike normal ghosts, these are susceptible to Sleep (and gravity, and bind), so there shouldn't be any problem. You can kill Pluto (this floor's boss) using the HP/MP chest if you want a shot at the BLM AF+1 material, but if you're there only for coins, don't bother. Watch this video to see how it's done. Pop the time chests, HP/MP chest and move on to the next floor. Bardhas have a terrible drop rate concerning coins.

2nd Floor
You'll fight buffalos here. They're quite squishy against magic (Sleep, Bind and Gravity work), but they hit awfully hard and have a great movement speed. You'll have to sleep or bind after your nukes. It is also possible to solo this floor's boss, Zlatarog, as BLM. Again, you can watch Whimsical do it here. Keep killing them untill the vortex open, then pop the time chests, HP/MP chest and sleep your way to the next floor. Coins drop rate is as bad as Bardha's.

3rd Floor
Again, your goal on this floor is to open the vortex as fast as you can because the Bugards have a bad coin drop rate too. Luckily, these have half the HP of the buffalos and are very, very easy to kill (Sleep, Bind and Gravity work). Unfortunetaly, this floor's boss, Millenary Mossback, is the one dropping the BST AF+1 material and there's no way a solo blm can handle it. Open time chests (one is behind the boss, but you can get it without aggroing if you're careful), HP/MP chest, head to the next floor.

4th Floor
Ah, finally some mobs worth killing. There's 5 wyverns on this floor and they will drop 2 coins each. They have 5000 HP, which isn't much, and are susceptible to Sleep, Bind and Gravity. Only thing you have to be careful about on this floor is the boss, Cynoprosopi. He's a weaker version of Fafnir, but still too hard too for a solo blm (I think, haven't tried). His roaming zone is very, very big, so keep your eyes open for him. He doesn't link with wyverns. Open time chests, HP/MP and head to the last floor once all the wyverns are dead.

5th Floor
The reason why it's best to speed through the first 3 floors lies here. On this floor, you have 4 ennemies. 3 Kronprinz Behemoth and 1 Kaiser Behemoth. The Kaiser, you don't want to fight him solo. He's got too many HP. The Kronprinz, however, have only 7000 HP. Even if they are immune to sleep and stun, gravity and bind work nicely on them, making it possible for a solo blm to kill them. Each of them drop 5 or 6 coins. 2 BLMs can kill Kaiser, or a solo RDM, but 1 BLM just doesn't have enough MP to see it through. Kill the Kronprinz till they're all dead or you ran out of time.

If you get all the Wyverns and all the Kronprinz (need a bit of luck with the vortex on the first floors tho), you'll have a garanteed 25+ coins run. Good nuking and enfeebling gear are required, as well as some merits, to be able to kill the Bardhas and Buffalos without having to rest your MP halfway through.

Well, there it is! I hope someone else knows how to solo a Temenos zone with the possibility of getting the BLM AF material and is willing to share, that way you can upgrade your AF on your own.

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#3 Jul 24 2007 at 7:33 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hope someone else knows how to solo a Temenos zone with the possibility of getting the BLM AF material and is willing to share


That would be East tower. Several floors have a good chance for Diabolic silk. I know there are some solo threads floating around here. The main challenge is the higher mob HP and element-based enfeeble immunities.
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#4 Jul 24 2007 at 3:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would just like to add some advice to this. If you are doing this solo and not going to kill the boss on a floor, use your 2hr on the first mob you fight. That way, you can get the benefit of using it if the first mob opens the portal and still use the HP/MP/JA Chest before moving on.
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#5 Jul 26 2007 at 5:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you are going mainly for coins with a mediocre solo blm, I would suggest Temenos North. It's not the first thing anyone else would suggest, but you can get about 8 coins consistently from it. If you are pimped out, or have a rdm or blm partner, go with NW, if you don't mind playing a game of chance, go with Temenos East.

Temenos north is fairly simple, there's 2 rdm moblins that roam the first floor right as you enter, dodge them and hug the right wall into the small room and kill the war moblin in there, then dodge them again and the other roaming rdm moblin in your way as you head to the NW section of the floor for the other war moblin. When you kill both war moblins, all 3 types of chests will pop where the NW moblin was. Pop the item chest for about 7 coins, and kill rdm moblins til your time runs out.

East is a crap shoot. Every elemental drops a chest, there's 4 types; item, avatar (looks like item), time, and HP/MP. You can get lucky and get 3 item chests for 20 or so coins and a blm item, and you can also leave with nothing at all. 2nd floor is your best bet at blm item, I suggest you take the first chest you get on first floor regardless of what it is if you are going for it, and 2 hour the first elemental because you might get HP/MP. A pimped out blm can kill 3 of the elementals on the first floor and an avatar in the 30 minutes, taking a time or the real item chest if you pick the avatar chest, but it takes meds to do.

NW is kings route, it takes luck to get a good payout. Ghosts on first floor are slow to kill, a pimped out blm can run out of time killing off the ghosts without seeing a coin drop or the vortex up opening. 2nd floor isn't any better, the buffalo run at normal speed with gravity on them, can't be aspired, and have a ton of HP. 3rd floor is buggards with low HP, and a decent coin drop rate. 4th floor is your payout, 5 wyverns that drop 2 coins each and die in 4 nukes. 5th floor takes real skill, behemoths can be bound and gravitied, but that's about it. They have low HP, but hit hard and one mistake can have you eating dirt. This is a great zone to duo with another blm or a rdm, and Apollyon blm item has an ok drop rate on the first floor.
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I've always assumed the Temenos North moblins were sleepable.....but are they?
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Yes, they sleep easily. They also hit very hard, and have double attack being wars, and attack fairly fast since they swing daggers or small swords or whatever moblins use.
#8 Jul 27 2007 at 6:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Just wanted to point out that it is possible to win Apollyon NW as a solo BLM, although clearly its pretty **** hard. Check the link below for another account of Apollyon NW, although it was covered just fine above.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/11758.html
#9 Aug 07 2007 at 9:27 AM Rating: Excellent
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stouter wrote:
If you are going mainly for coins with a mediocre solo blm, I would suggest Temenos North. It's not the first thing anyone else would suggest, but you can get about 8 coins consistently from it. If you are pimped out, or have a rdm or blm partner, go with NW, if you don't mind playing a game of chance, go with Temenos East.

Temenos north is fairly simple, there's 2 rdm moblins that roam the first floor right as you enter, dodge them and hug the right wall into the small room and kill the war moblin in there, then dodge them again and the other roaming rdm moblin in your way as you head to the NW section of the floor for the other war moblin. When you kill both war moblins, all 3 types of chests will pop where the NW moblin was. Pop the item chest for about 7 coins, and kill rdm moblins til your time runs out.


I tried this last night. I only managed to kill the first war moblin before time ran out. I definitely qualify for the mediocre status on my blm. I only have 2 enfeeble, 1 elemental, and 3 AM2 merits on it. I know I have a ways to go to finish my merits up, but I have not had this much trouble solo'ing in the past at all.

I've taken out all the sea-critter types aside from the Yovra's with little to no difficulty (There's always the rare resists-now-you-die scenerio) I would like to know what I'm doing wrong on this one.

I dodge the 2 rdm goblins and make it into the room with the war easily. He aggros and starts to eat through my buffs. With the hp it seemed to have there was no way I could safely kill it without resting. I mangaged to sleep it and run past the rdms as they made the "hole" facing N and S. I drain pulled the war into the adjacent room and eventually killed it grav/bind/nuke/sleep method.
(I don't recommend relying too much on pulling it there, as if you grab it at the wrong time you're pretty much done with the subsequent links.)

Any tips to take out the Wars in such a cramped space with the lingering Rdms?
Before my time ran out I checked out the position of the 2nd War and noticed that even if I managed to kill it in the corner where it stood the 2 roaming rdm's would eventually link. (They pace just like the first ones) I couldn't even see a way to pull it out of there into my kiting room without linking at least one.


Tips or advice on this would be greatly appreciated. ^^
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#10 Aug 09 2007 at 11:23 PM Rating: Good
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Bumping this in hopes that the people who do this can post tips on their success. I won't bump further if no responses result again.
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#11 Aug 10 2007 at 5:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Don't do north, it's horrible. I only did it because I needed the MNK item. I can kill 2 WARs and a RDM pretty easily usually, but still isn't great. Even with crappy equip you should be able to get to the Wyvern floor on NW most times, which then give 2 per kill. East is better than North for coins I think, but it's a bit random too. I've done better there on average though over time.
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#12 Aug 10 2007 at 5:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I wouldnt suggest Appolyon NW for coins myself. It can be good coinage if you make it to the 4th floor. Probably about 15 coins total that way. But the problem is on the first 2 floors.

1. Ghosts dont like to die.

They are easily slept, silenced, and gravitied, but they still take a chunk of mp to die! They take 9 to 11 tier 4 nukes to kill, depending upon your gear. Remember that they are very resistant to ice, so you cant use blizzard 4. With proper timing, you can kill one by manafonting, casting several AM II, then switching to tier 4s when manafont wears off. That will take all your mp, and manafont.

You can grab the chest, and do a second ghost the same way. But if the second ghost doesnt pop the portal, your going to need to sleep-nuke the rest of them. There are 7 ghosts on the first floor, and its not uncommon for the 5th ghost to be the one that pops the portal. The first 2 ghosts may only take you 5 or 6 minutes if you manafont them, but after that you may spend 10 minutes per ghost. This means you will probably leave for the second floor with about 10 minutes left.

2. Buffalos dont like to die, and they like to kill you.

Buffalos are easily slept, bound, and gravitied, but they have the running speed of a cheeta on crack. Even with gravity on, these guys run just as fast as you do. And they hit for 500 dmg per attack. What this means is that you cant kite them. And even stopping to use the spell sleep will get you hit, and interupted. For every nuke, you need to:

a. cast the spell
b. run away as soon as you can and wait for the bar to go to 100% so you can cast again
c. stop and cast stun quickly
d. sleep the buffalo

Its not easy, especially with lag, and manafont doesnt really help to much when soloing. Due to the recast timer on stun, you may only get 2 nukes off on manafont, possibly 4 if your willing to risk skipping stun and going to sleep. Still, it takes 9 to 11 nukes to kill a buffalo. Your talking 10 mins to kill one, maybe 5 or 6 minutes if you use manafont.

Again, it may be the 4th or 5th buffalo that pops the portal.

That means on the first 2 floors, you have 1 hour to kill maybe 8 to 10 mobs, its not really possible. Now, if you get lucky, and the first ghost/buffalo you kill opens the portal, then you should be able to kill the boss, and make it to the 4th floor and get 15+ coins. But thats more the happy exception then the rule.
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Use Manafont on the first ghost, kill it, pull the second with remaining MP (300 or so I think), sleep it and hit HP/MP halfway to refill, and kill it. You can kill 2 really fast that way. Use Manafont on a 3rd if you need to. Sometimes you get bad luck, but on average it's the best. Get good enough and you'll get 30 coins sometime. Buffalos are mean but better than ghosts - they don't Aspir or Sleep you, and you can use Blizzard spells. Once you clear those 2 floors it's easy until behemoths.

I started with pretty good equip but you don't need all HQs to get decent results. Just make sure you have 270+ enfeebling I reckon.

And for the record, I think I split pretty much evenly between 0-4, 12-15 and 30ish coins. 0-4 when ghosts/buffalos pop slow, or I ***** up and die on them, 12-15 when I hit wyverns, 30ish when I clear behemoths. Can't kill the big boss yet like others, I think I'd need gaiters :D


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#14 Aug 10 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Good
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I'll stick to NW then. My first run was there to get the feel of Limbus - just forgot about everything linking. >.>

At least there I can put some distance between me and the mob. How some people managed to solo the gobs in North with it 2 feet in front of them the whole time still escapes me. (Read: Still no tips on it yet)

I do appreciate the input you guys gave though. Rate ups on the thread again.
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#15 Aug 10 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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The first goblin you can kite diagonally corner to corner in the room, with gravity on you'll take at most 1 hit and sometimes none. But I hate killing that first one, he can be tricky if certain bad luck hits a few times at once.

The other one has a huge kiting area so no problem at all.
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#16 Aug 10 2007 at 7:46 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks! I'll give it one more try later this week perhaps.
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Sorry for the bump, but can anyone suggest which areas would be best just for getting BLM AF+1 items? From looking at wiki I'm assuming Apollyon NW and Temenos East since it can drop on the first floor? Also, any advice on how to deal with the avatar if it pops instead of the item chest? I think I'm pretty well geared but haven't tried these solo yet.

I'm not concerned about the coin count all that much...I'm already sitting on plenty of them, but I keep getting outlotted on the BLM items by people who have like 5+ jobs they lot stuff for. >.> (no point system ftl)
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I would suggest NW. Pluto is an easy enough solo as blm. And with 1-2 friends that can be trusted, you can kill the dragon too. blmx3 or blm2 and rdm. Also, KB can be taken down by the same setup with ease IF you are confident in your skills.



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#19 Aug 24 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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oh my god... lmao...
i have been doing NW for about 2 months and i never knew i could sleep the buffalos! my cousin told me that sleep doesnt work (hes a bard,he must have been talking about lullaby) so i didnt even try.
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Also, KB can be taken down by the same setup with ease IF you are confident in your skills.


KB is actually a VERY simple fight, its just time consuming and you have to rince and repeat the same kiting and nuking in a certain spot strategy over and over. then again a luck factor plays in as to how early the vortex materialized for you in all the previous levels.

KB is loads of fun, i have actually never tried the dragon NM, any strategies? that wyrm just scares me anytime im on that level since hes so massive... taru ftl ; ;
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From looking at wiki I'm assuming Apollyon NW and Temenos East since it can drop on the first floor? Also, any advice on how to deal with the avatar if it pops instead of the item chest?


Apollyon NW for sure.

Temenos East has been very good to my small group, we got Diabolic Silk on the first and second floors during our last run. We usually med before popping an item box, and stun -> ES Gravity -> kite nuke if an Avatar pops.

Haven't had Shiva yet, so I can't really say how to deal with her.
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The Dragon NM is all about trust... and good enfeebling. I have yet to do the Dragon, so this is all here-say. But rotate bind/gravity and just nuke the **** outta it. When all mages are low on MP grab the chest fast (after 2hrs of course) and keep at it. It can be done, just takes a little time. If you are going in for the win, Id suggest skipping him unless you got lucky on the fist few floors with time.


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AgentDTM wrote:
The Dragon NM is all about trust... and good enfeebling. I have yet to do the Dragon, so this is all here-say. But rotate bind/gravity and just nuke the sh*t outta it. When all mages are low on MP grab the chest fast (after 2hrs of course) and keep at it. It can be done, just takes a little time. If you are going in for the win, Id suggest skipping him unless you got lucky on the fist few floors with time.


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The dragon can be pretty simple with 3 blms, haven't done it with 2 yet, but I don't think you'd run out of mp, it just kinda sucks cause it hits so **** hard.

We've done it with 3 with by taking turns ele seal binding then time nuking quickly afterwards (and gravity on also obviously). It's pretty easy that way, and only takes 5 binds I think (you have to get the chest after the first 3). We could probably save more MP just killing it by kiting after the first 3 binds, but it's better than having to wait for weakened if someone messes up or gets unlucky.

The Buffalo NM is also really easy to kill if you have 2-3 and are going for AF items, it's barely harder than the regular buffalos.

Solo you'd need to get lucky with the vortexes to get any good number of coins. With 2-3 blms we've had 13-16 coins per BLM every time. The biggest problem is running out of time while fighting KB, it takes a long time with all the kiting to take it down usually. We don't take much in the way of meds either with 2-3. I take yags for KB and I've used my emergency pro ether before, but I don't know if I ever really had to.

Like someone else said though, you probably don't want to do this with new 75's. I think all of us are max skill and potency merits I'm 5/5 int and I think the others are 3/5 and 1/5. Probably could still be done easily if you took and extra blm or two or maybe a rdm. I don't know how hard the stuff is to enfeeble if you have less than we do, cause I didn't really try it before then.
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I finally got round to trying solo limbus this past week, heres how it went,

Sunday :- Tem North

Snuck along to the first war mob, slowly whittled him down in his small room, using grav/sleep + bind (fighting corner to corner), had to pop a few ethers / yags, but was looking ok on mp.

Got him to 25% and had a keyboard lock up >< couldnt do anything, as a result i died with him about 13% 22 mins remaining.

By the time im back up, he is of course 100% hp (couldnt get a dot off because of keyboard lockup), by the time im unweakened i go back to work on him, takes a lot longer than first time as he is resisting a bit and i dont have many meds, finally get him down (using manafont), and move on to the next one as i run out of time ><.

Seems pretty easy as long as you have meds (and a good keyboard lol), incidentally, as my keyboard locked up and got me killed, a foot stool mysteriously flew across my bedroom >.>.

Wednesday :- Apol NW

Hadnt really planned on doing a run, but i logged on and ice day was just beginning, so i figure i scrape together a couple of k more for soap, and by the time im in ill have af pants + obi helping my thunder spells.

WRONG >.< got there and one group as in, and another blm blm rdm trio waiting to go in. At this point i had 200gil to my name, so i wasnt about to just walk away XD.

Finally 2hrs or so later i enter, went in with no meds etc, just wanted to see how things were in there.

Floor 1, followed the advice above, manafonted on first mob. BANG portal 0.o, slept my way through mobs to portal (popping all chests on the way).

Floor 2, again, manafont on mob 1, BANG portal, sleep, pop chests etc

Floor 3 mobs took a little longer to pop portal (5th mob), but thankfully these mobs are a LOT easier, keep gravity on, keep your distance, and 4 nukes sees you through. 2/5 mobs dropped me a coin so bit of a bonus.

Floor 4 - 25 mins on the clock, again mobs very squishy and fell fast. Mob 1, portal! decided not to rush up though, as killing all the non nm mobs on this floor would guarantee me a good coin haul. 2nd mob i made a human error and died, rrd, decided rather than sitting weak, feeling sorry for myself, id use those 5 mins to go get time chests. By the time i was unweak i had 23 mins left, plenty of time to safely take out the 4 remaining mobs. With only 3 mins left, i decide to warp rather than port to floor 5, next time im there im going to port on floor 4 asap for time on the behos.

Ended up with 12 coins, so happy with that (i usually get 3-6 a run with my shell).

From my experience in NW, if you get the luck on floors 1-2, you are laughing, floors 3-4 are incredibly easy, and floor 4 guarantees you 10 coins. I can see this being a frustrating zone though if the luck isnt with you on first 2 floors, and can see you easily never making floor 3-4.

in the whole run, i didnt have 1 resist on enfeebs, my enfeeb setup is igq legs + head, + wzd coat+1 and i have 8/8 enf merits. I also had 8/8 ele merits, and only saw one nuke resisted.

Saturday im going to either try a blm duo in NW, possibly aiming at fighting KB, or a solo run in the tem ele zone.
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NW has been hit pretty well, one note on the final boss...he has mp.

Regarding the moblins I have been farming that one for NIN AF when I can. I found you can go blm/nin and solo the first floor in your sleep. Sneak in like others have said. I start with AM II, sleep II, recast Ni, rest 3 ticks sometimes 4. IV sleep II, Ni.

When my mp has recovered to about 800 I'll AM II, sleep, Ichi, IV, sleep II and rest.

Doing it like this involves no kiting(just stand in one spot the whole time), saves time from running, saves mp from buffs/debuffs.
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I tried soloing Temenos North this weekend, and found that I couldn't kill both WAR moblins in 30 minutes. At wiki's info on Temenos North, it says that only one of the Moblin Slaughtermen needs to be killed to pop the chests. Up above in the summary section for the zone, it also says that if one specific mob is the chest dropper, than it's always the one furthest from the entrance to that floor.

Can anyone confirm or deny this? In other words, could I simply kill the Moblin Slaughterman in the northwest corner of the first floor and get the item chest consistently without having to kill both WARs?
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I've duoed the dragon boss on floor 4 of NW a few times. Its not so bad. You need to kill it as quickly as possible. Elemental Seal + Gravity it, when it wears your partner hits it with ES+Gravity. When you run out of MP, which is about the same time as the second gravity wearing, hit the restore chest. Then you get 2 more ES gravities. You basically just kite it around and alternate who nukes and who kites. Hate shifts with nukes. Use your Manafonts as needed. You can Manafont on him twice when using the restore chest, since you really don't need it for the behemoth floor. The best we've done as a duo is kill Pluto, clear the wyvern floor, Fafnir (or w/e its called), clear the behemoths, and KB (not to mention the mobs needed to pop vortex). We got a total of 40+ coins on that run (I would need to look at my spreadsheet at home for exact number). You need to get lucky on vortexes though in order to have time. We average probably somewhere around 32 coins when we aren't pushing to get Fafnir in, which is 16 coins each and usually 2 item chests (i.e. two chances at items).

As a duo, our general rules are this (sorry I know its a solo thread, but a duo really is that much more efficient at this):

Floor 1:
Kill ghost one and two straight up. If no vortex, skip Pluto, manafont ghost 3. If vortex on ghost 1 or 2, rest, nuke half mp on Pluto, manafont, finish Pluto.

Floor 2:
Kill until vortex and go up, hope its not too many. This floor really determines how profitable coinwise your run can be.

Floor 3:
This floor is where you need to make a decision based on how your run is going timewise. Your primary goal is to clear Wyverns and the Behemoths for max coins. What you do here determines whether you clear all bugards or skip bugard farming and go up to wyverns (either to kill wyverns or wyverns + Fafnir). In general, know that you need about 30 minutes (to be safe) to clear behemoths and KB with no errors as a duo. To kill the 5 wyverns takes approximately 12 minutes. Add another 7-10 for fafnir (if you choose to go that route). These times are including your rests. So basically if you are at 40-45 minutes at vortex popping on bugards, you can choose to go up and clear all remaining mobs including bosses. You could also choose to just clear the bugards since they are supposed to have a 50% drop rate on coins (we usually see 33%).

Kill 1 bugard, manafont second bugard, use remaining mp to kill 3rd bugard. A full rest will allow you to kill 2 more. There are 7 total.

Floor 4:
Same as floor 3. Kill 1, manafont second, kill 3rd. Full rest, kill remaining 2. Kill Fafnir as described above if you choose to. Know that its risky though and a death could set you back 5+ minutes.

Floor 5:
You know the drill. Kill the babies, then the boss. KB is easy as a duo but tedious. You can do it fastest by making sure he doesn't cast meteor til you want him to and always keep bio II on him. You want to be just in casting range when he starts to cast meteor so that when you cast you have room to run. You should be far out enough ahead of him that he won't meteor. When your partner is in place, pause up and let KB nuke. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Edited, Dec 15th 2008 6:02pm by JaxReborn
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#28 Jun 19 2009 at 12:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Necro-bump for great justice.

I've done NW apollyon and I got to the buffaloes twice, but can't get past them. The first time I died twice to buffaloes. The second time I didn't die at all, but that floor still took me the rest of my time in Limbus because it took 15 minutes to kill each of the three buffaloes.
My strategy on them is pretty much what is described below. I pull one, and alternate nuke-Stun-bind and nuke-stun-sleep. When it's sleeping I can pretty safely assume i've got a good minute thirty so I rest mp as much as I can. Bind even held up pretty good so i was able to get two nukes off of one bind some times.

So basically, why is it taking so long to kill? at this rate, the only way i could even get to the bugard floor is if I do everything perfect AND the portal opens on the second buffalo, but other's testimonies seem to indicate it's not that bad. Does anyone have any helpful hints for buffalo-killing? Is there something I'm missing?

Here's nuking setup I use for this. I know it needs work, but part of why I wanted to do Limbus was to make money:
http://ffxigear.com/?ref=8712
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#29 Jun 19 2009 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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From what I can tell of solo, the first two floors are left mostly to luck. The amount of time those floors can eat up is wildly variable if you're solo, because those mobs just take way more punishment to kill and are overall less rewarding than everything on the 4th and 5th floors.

I would advise bringing another BLM or RDM along if you can. Even if you split the coins, your runs will be far less subject to random chances, you won't need to be as "pimped" to have a good chance (although it still certainly helps) and a good duo can pull off wins almost all of the time once they're experienced. I would think that splitting 40-45~ coins in half every run would outdo occasionally getting 20-30(?)~ coins on your own only if luck is on your side on the first 2 floors.

Another thing; one of the things that has occasionally caused my duo runs of this zone to time out is Absolute Terror from the 4th floor wyrm. Usually the person terrorized is still going to have hate, and it's up to the other person to either rip hate off of him or otherwise hogtie the wyrm away from the terrorized person so he doesn't get killed. It's easy for that move to cause a death, which doesn't necessarily mean you'll wipe, but it will probably waste the time you need to kill Kaiser.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 5:02pm by Fynlar
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Regarding the buffalo, it may help to start the first nuke under a "maximum MP" setup (if you don't mind risking getting double attacked if you don't pull w/ Gravity) and then proceed to nuke with your normal gear. Maximizing damage/MP is pretty important, too to make sure you don't have to rest for more than 1:30 (the duration of Sleep II) per buffalo when your MP runs out. The last time I did this, I did 1254 or 1258 Blizzard IV, and 1303 or 1307 Thunder IV on the buffaloes before Uggalepih Pendant.

I parse runs just so I can get a summary of how well I am doing. Here is a summary of the time spent on killing four buffalo to open the vortex:

Fight #   Enemy                   Start Time   End Time   Fight Length 
3         Mountain Buffalo           1:26 PM    1:31 PM       00:04:17 
4         Mountain Buffalo           1:31 PM    1:35 PM       00:03:34 
5         Mountain Buffalo           1:37 PM    1:42 PM       00:04:06 
6         Mountain Buffalo           1:44 PM    1:48 PM       00:04:16


As you can see I have to rest a few minutes between kills (except when I use Manafont). I am by no means hyper-efficient about killing buffaloes, so 4-5 minutes per buffalo (not including resting time) is something to aim for.
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Are you using your 2hr? Your 1st or 2nd buffalo should be a fast kill because you can pop that off to finish of the remaining HP.

Save your mp on Stuns. Unless you are really in danger (resisted bind/grav/sleep) keep you stun for those moments. Cast at max range and you should have enough time to safely land sleep/bind without stun.

If you haven't, work on a HMP set.

Edit: Oh if you need practice, you could always solo some Buffalos for XP in Ule. Range. Not exactly the same thing but it could be a good way to refine some of your strategies.

Edited, Jun 19th 2009 9:11pm by SuiRyu
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gammafighter wrote:
So basically, why is it taking so long to kill? at this rate, the only way i could even get to the bugard floor is if I do everything perfect AND the portal opens on the second buffalo, but other's testimonies seem to indicate it's not that bad.

It's taking so long to kill them because they have a lot of HP. Simple as that. When I duo NW with my friend, it takes us about 3 minutes per Ghost/Buffalo plus 2 minutes resting. So you don't sound long you're being all that slow.

Fynlar wrote:
I would advise bringing another BLM or RDM along if you can. Even if you split the coins, your runs will be far less subject to random chances, you won't need to be as "pimped" to have a good chance (although it still certainly helps) and a good duo can pull off wins almost all of the time once they're experienced. I would think that splitting 40-45~ coins in half every run would outdo occasionally getting 20-30(?)~ coins on your own only if luck is on your side on the first 2 floors.

This is what I would recommend. My friend and I regularly duo Apollyon. Our first run at NW, we got to the 5th floor but didn't have enough time to kill all 3 Kronprinz Behemoths. On our 2nd run, we had gotten the duo kinks out enough that we made it to Kaiser. It took us quite a few failed attempts to take out KB, but we've finally gotten to the point where it's routine for us to win, provided we don't get totally shafted by portals.

If you don't beat KB, you've gotten at least 15 coins just from the 3 mini Behemoths, plus whatever else you got climbing. Beat KB, and that's another 5 coins to add to the split. Our last run, we came away with 28 coins after beating KB to split between us. We also only killed one Wyvern, so the coin haul could have been higher. As it turned out though, we wouldn't have had the time for any more Wyverns.

In my experience, I've found that on average each Ghost or Buffalo takes us about 5 minutes, each Bugard or Wyvern takes us 3 minutes, and each mini Behemoth takes us about 5 minutes. We usually need anywhere between 15 and 22 minutes to take down Kaiser Behemoth. So I use those numbers to estimate if we have a shot at taking down Kaiser for the last chest. Once we're on the 4th floor, if it doesn't look like we have enough time, we can take the time we have left for Kaiser and instead use it to farm the Drakes.
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Thanks for the replies.

-I'm looking for a duo partner and planning to wait to do apollyon again until i have one, but it's really convenient to be able to solo if i have to.
-Glamrawkus, thanks for that chart. Knowing that it can be done 3x faster actually really helps. Just with the timers on bind and sleep,
-I use manafont, but because the buffaloes are so fast, i think the last time i only had time for a thundaga 3, a bind, a tier 4, and a sleep. Ghosts like to die to 2hr a lot more
-I guess i have been riding the stun button a little too much. That 25 mp really adds up
-I forgot to mention that i also used FoV refresh. I haven't seen it noted anywhere, but it DOES work in limbus, which makes soloing a LOT easier.
-I also forget to say that my merits aren't maxed yet. My Potencys are 4/5, AMII's are 1/5 and elemental/enfeeble are 4or5/8. Gonna work on merits and gear before I try solo again.
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Abuse bind, especially on buffalo floor. I can get 2-3 nukes on a bound buffalo before it breaks a lot more often than usual for some reason on those.
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Abuse bind, especially on buffalo floor. I can get 2-3 nukes on a bound buffalo before it breaks a lot more often than usual for some reason on those.


Actually noticed this myself vs. those buffaloes last night!
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Recently i actually had an average of >2 nukes per bind. Several times i had 3 before breaking it, once i broke it with the 4th, and another i even nuked 4 times without breaking it (wore off on it's own). It really freaked me out.
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Any solo strategies for a zone which drops Pantin Wire?

Much appreciated if there is one
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MagingMartin wrote:
Any solo strategies for a zone which drops Pantin Wire?

Much appreciated if there is one

You can get that from F1 of east.
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