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#1 Apr 03 2013 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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So i'm levelling SCH to 99, been wondering if levelling Staff and getting Shattersoul would be worth it? Or would it just be a waste of time?
#2kimjongil76, Posted: Apr 03 2013 at 9:25 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) YES!!!!!!
#3 Apr 03 2013 at 10:47 PM Rating: Excellent
kimjongil76 wrote:
YES!!!!!!


You can solo many ABY NM's with it
You can also solo Tough mobs in new zone with it

I just did the bee quest 8/8
farmed 2 butterfly wings with it

If you make a self SC with your shattersoul, you can do what many jobs can't do. 85-100% one shot the T mobs in new zones. In abby you also at that point MB Kaustra run away and NM dies in less than a minute many mobs.


JA immorance luminhelix + JA immorance stone = distortion WS shattersoul = darkness. MB drain impact kaustra.

Also in new reives, sub /drk. absorb TP roots as all melee are beating it down. then WS shattersoul and you will get more points than if you nuke.


A truly good DD will kill a mob before it gets of any TP move. Only some sameri's can do this besides SCh wiith our skill chains


All you need is a good INT set for the weapon skill. Fast cast helps a little on armor before weapon skill armor swap.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 11:30pm by kimjongil76


Doing multiple actions to kill a monster doesn't equal a one shot. One shot means that you do one action and that kills the monster outright (like a single nuke or a single weaponskill). Doing a skillchain or a skillchain + a magic burst isn't a one-shot action since it's requiring multiple attacks on the mob.

Samurais, Dark Knights, Dragoons, Blue Mages, Rune Fencers, Warriors, etc can easily solo skillchain a number of the new mobs to death before it gets a TP move off, and it doesn't require burning their SP ability in the process.

I don't understand why you say it's doing something that many jobs can't, since all you've ever described are actions that other jobs can do as well, if not better. Skillchaining through grimoires ends up being risky if you've got hate, since a single spell interruption and the skillchain's over. With any DD doing a Sekkanoki skillchain, they're not going to be interrupted by simply being hit (unless the mob has a Stun or similar en-action to its attacks, but that'd still affect a Sch as well).

I have to say that you're very lucky when it comes to soloing Abyssea NMs the way you do, because that sort of solo attempt would make for an extremely easy time of stealing the monster if anyone ever wanted and if anything went wrong. For starters, the opening skillchain requires two spells being cast, and that right there is the first problem. A quick Paralyga or Sleepga or something to interrupt the spell and boom, skillchain's done for. Second, what if your MB gets interrupted? You're banking on Kaustra to finish the mob off, but what if he hits you or does one of the actions mentioned above and now your magic burst is gone. You're pretty much left in serious trouble. Lastly, let's say you do get the skillchain and the Kaustra off, and are now starting to run the mob around. A melee that wants to could easily follow and wait for it to go yellow when you start trying to run it around, and a quick weaponskill as its HP drops low enough will net him the goodies.

Is Sch able to skillchain and magic burst? Yes. Can they do it well enough to where it's something they could reliably use for the sake of damage dealing against anything of major value. No.

Shattersoul is something that's fun to play around with, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you don't have any melee jobs leveled that have good lv. 96 merit weaponskills.

Edited, Apr 4th 2013 12:59am by Vlorsutes
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#4 Apr 04 2013 at 2:40 AM Rating: Default
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
kimjongil76 wrote:
YES!!!!!!


You can solo many ABY NM's with it
You can also solo Tough mobs in new zone with it

I just did the bee quest 8/8
farmed 2 butterfly wings with it

If you make a self SC with your shattersoul, you can do what many jobs can't do. 85-100% one shot the T mobs in new zones. In abby you also at that point MB Kaustra run away and NM dies in less than a minute many mobs.


JA immorance luminhelix + JA immorance stone = distortion WS shattersoul = darkness. MB drain impact kaustra.

Also in new reives, sub /drk. absorb TP roots as all melee are beating it down. then WS shattersoul and you will get more points than if you nuke.


A truly good DD will kill a mob before it gets of any TP move. Only some sameri's can do this besides SCh wiith our skill chains


All you need is a good INT set for the weapon skill. Fast cast helps a little on armor before weapon skill armor swap.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2013 11:30pm by kimjongil76


Doing multiple actions to kill a monster doesn't equal a one shot. One shot means that you do one action and that kills the monster outright (like a single nuke or a single weaponskill). Doing a skillchain or a skillchain + a magic burst isn't a one-shot action since it's requiring multiple attacks on the mob.

Th[b]is doesn't matter. The fact is the mob will die before any melee gets 100 TP or the mob gets off a SC. I didn't say it can do it non stop, but is very viable A drk, laugh. They will attack the butterflies and be paralyzed, stuned and silenced. Same for wars. And even dnc sub will draw out the fights.[/b]

Samurais, Dark Knights, Dragoons, Blue Mages, Rune Fencers, Warriors, etc can easily solo skillchain a number of the new mobs to death before it gets a TP move off, and it doesn't require burning their SP ability in the process.

I don't understand why you say it's doing something that many jobs can't, since all you've ever described are actions that other jobs can do as well, if not better. Skillchaining through grimoires ends up being risky if you've got hate, since a single spell interruption and the skillchain's over. With any DD doing a Sekkanoki skillchain, they're not going to be interrupted by simply being hit (unless the mob has a Stun or similar en-action to its attacks, but that'd still affect a Sch as well).

Honestly you don't even have to skill chain it to kill almost every NM I mentioned. You can just pop off the spell and run away. 5-60 seconds is all it takes depending on the mob. The MB only adds 500-700 DOT, so saves a few seconds. If you don't wish to SC, just kaustra and run

I have to say that you're very lucky when it comes to soloing Abyssea NMs the way you do, because that sort of solo attempt would make for an extremely easy time of stealing the monster if anyone ever wanted and if anything went wrong. For starters, the opening skillchain requires two spells being cast, and that right there is the first problem. A quick Paralyga or Sleepga or something to interrupt the spell and boom, skillchain's done for. Second, what if your MB gets interrupted? You're banking on Kaustra to finish the mob off, but what if he hits you or does one of the actions mentioned above and now your magic burst is gone. You're pretty much left in serious trouble. Lastly, let's say you do get the skillchain and the Kaustra off, and are now starting to run the mob around. A melee that wants to could easily follow and wait for it to go yellow when you start trying to run it around, and a quick weaponskill as its HP drops low enough will net him the goodies.

Abyesse. OK first you dont have to worry about the monster going yellow. It dies in 10-60 seconds. You have herman gaiters and just run a few seconds. Their is no yellow, so no one steals. We are not talking about clipper. And I not just talking about abby. Kindered crest turtle, WOTG final fight, ADL 8k Roc, and so many others. New and old content. Even NNI on floor 80 and in neo salvage kaustra itself or Skill chaining does great dmg,. And no youdon't die.

Is Sch able to skillchain and magic burst? Yes. Can they do it well enough to where it's something they could reliably use for the sake of damage dealing against anything of major value. No.

Of course it can. Heck I did eingher t1 wing with a LS and my kaustra took out a whole one wing of monsters. Even when I died they fell with Kaustra before they made it to the main party.

Sch can do pretty much anything and very well. I am well known on Bismark and Rag. Guess what when people ask me to help events they ask me to come SCH DD. Not even nuker.

Shattersoul is something that's fun to play around with, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you don't have any melee jobs leveled that have good lv. 96 merit weaponskills.

Edited, Apr 4th 2013 12:59am by Vlorsutes



I may be the laughable drk with two relics, but my sch is someone that payers know and respect. Just because you play sch to a low lvl of potential like the way SE wanted it doesn't mean that the jo was meant for that.

I thought we learned that when people played ninjas as tanks and SE didn't intend that.

Play a job you want. Sch can open up doors but only if you gear it well and don't let noobs tell you that a job can't do somethingit clearly can. This coming form the guy who didn't understand how to play blue and has no concept on how to play sch. To that justification, he can play drk better than I.

Oh and if you get an empy staff, your sch can do much more. This was really true before embraba nerf though. Now a little harder but still possible.
#5 Apr 04 2013 at 5:27 PM Rating: Excellent
1) I went out earlier and did a number of fights on Dark Knight just to play around with it. Was easily able to quickly solo skillchain them down without them getting any TP move off, which was what you were touting was something that Sch could do that most DDs couldn't. A quick Scourge to Resolution dropped the Twitherym without any difficulty. In fact, I think it probably hit me once the entire time, that was it.

2) Yes, you do have to worry about the monster going yellow. You're going from a situation of weaponskilling it to close a Darkness skillchain to running away and kiting it (which is what you say you do). If you manage to pull out just ahead of it to where you disengage your weapon, which varies for each mob, then the monster is going to go yellow. That's just the mechanics of the game, and it's really not hard to run far enough ahead of a mob even with just normal 12% movement speed. Even if no one steals the mob in that time that it's yellow, if it dies while yellow, then you're going to lose everything that would drop. A mob dying to a DoT while unclaimed results in you getting nothing out of it.

There's a difference between the Ninja situation and this one. Ninja has/had all the tools necessary to be able to tank effectively. They had the enmity generating tools, the damage mitigation tools, and the hate maintaining capability to make for a good tank, and Square Enix has since accepted Ninja as a tank job. People were quick to jump on Ninja for tanking purposes because it could do it and do it well. Scholar though isn't an effective melee DD, which is why its only real purpose for a good while was as an Embrava spammer. If it had the potential that you claim it does, then believe me, more people would be doing it, but it just doesn't.

I mean this in the nicest way, but if players are wanting your Scholar over your Dark Knight for melee purposes, then that's more a testament to the quality of your Dark Knight than the capabilities of your Scholar.

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Play a job you want. Sch can open up doors but only if you gear it well and don't let noobs tell you that a job can't do somethingit clearly can. This coming form the guy who didn't understand how to play blue and has no concept on how to play sch. To that justification, he can play drk better than I.


If that was meant as a quip towards me, I'd like to point out that not only on this forums but FFXIAH as well, you've been pointed out by numerous individuals as having a lack of understanding on the basic capabilities of Blue Mage. Your recommendations on weapons, gear choices, actions, etc just don't work when compared to established best actions, and this is one of the reasons why people don't accept your claims as to the capabilities of Scholar.

I won't name names, but there was a forum user on here several years back that was adamant about Whm/Thf for everything they did, and was insistent that it did better than all other combinations. It didn't matter how much evidence was shown to the contrary or how much people demonstrated it wasn't as viable an option as they claimed, this person was adamant about using it and only it. They'd make lofty comments about what they were able to do, but would get defensive when asked for proof. Your approach to all this is pretty much the same.

If you want people to believe you, then you need to show actual proof. I've asked before for you to show or list off what gear you use on your various jobs, but you never do so, and instead berate myself and others for doubting your claims. The burden of proof is on you in this case.
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#6 Apr 11 2013 at 11:45 PM Rating: Default
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Professor Shock Vlorsutes wrote:
1) I went out earlier and did a number of fights on Dark Knight just to play around with it. Was easily able to quickly solo skillchain them down without them getting any TP move off, which was what you were touting was something that Sch could do that most DDs couldn't. A quick Scourge to Resolution dropped the Twitherym without any difficulty. In fact, I think it probably hit me once the entire time, that was it.

2) Yes, you do have to worry about the monster going yellow. You're going from a situation of weaponskilling it to close a Darkness skillchain to running away and kiting it (which is what you say you do). If you manage to pull out just ahead of it to where you disengage your weapon, which varies for each mob, then the monster is going to go yellow. That's just the mechanics of the game, and it's really not hard to run far enough ahead of a mob even with just normal 12% movement speed. Even if no one steals the mob in that time that it's yellow, if it dies while yellow, then you're going to lose everything that would drop. A mob dying to a DoT while unclaimed results in you getting nothing out of it.

There's a difference between the Ninja situation and this one. Ninja has/had all the tools necessary to be able to tank effectively. They had the enmity generating tools, the damage mitigation tools, and the hate maintaining capability to make for a good tank, and Square Enix has since accepted Ninja as a tank job. People were quick to jump on Ninja for tanking purposes because it could do it and do it well. Scholar though isn't an effective melee DD, which is why its only real purpose for a good while was as an Embrava spammer. If it had the potential that you claim it does, then believe me, more people would be doing it, but it just doesn't.

I mean this in the nicest way, but if players are wanting your Scholar over your Dark Knight for melee purposes, then that's more a testament to the quality of your Dark Knight than the capabilities of your Scholar.

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Play a job you want. Sch can open up doors but only if you gear it well and don't let noobs tell you that a job can't do somethingit clearly can. This coming form the guy who didn't understand how to play blue and has no concept on how to play sch. To that justification, he can play drk better than I.


If that was meant as a quip towards me, I'd like to point out that not only on this forums but FFXIAH as well, you've been pointed out by numerous individuals as having a lack of understanding on the basic capabilities of Blue Mage. Your recommendations on weapons, gear choices, actions, etc just don't work when compared to established best actions, and this is one of the reasons why people don't accept your claims as to the capabilities of Scholar.

I won't name names, but there was a forum user on here several years back that was adamant about Whm/Thf for everything they did, and was insistent that it did better than all other combinations. It didn't matter how much evidence was shown to the contrary or how much people demonstrated it wasn't as viable an option as they claimed, this person was adamant about using it and only it. They'd make lofty comments about what they were able to do, but would get defensive when asked for proof. Your approach to all this is pretty much the same.

If you want people to believe you, then you need to show actual proof. I've asked before for you to show or list off what gear you use on your various jobs, but you never do so, and instead berate myself and others for doubting your claims. The burden of proof is on you in this case.


Realy i dont need to show any screenshots. Heck rven when i do people including you complain. I have three empys made by sch alone plus the vast majority of friends i helped in abby nni vw and so on. On two servers. And they invite and ask for mr time and time again and praise me on my scholar.

A pld congradulates me on aello for soloing the pets as he couldnt get hate o two and i kill them. Salvage 2.0 my party loves me as i solo high cerebus with a sc plus mb. In reive i out paced my ls mates drk apoc as a sch damage dealing the root just by absorb tp every 12 seconds and ws spam shattrsoul.

There is very little a sch cant do. And i say to the guy who asked about shattersoul. Get it. It is worth it if you have a pw staff or empy staff.
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