Sch potential and why is it being overlookedFollow

One new thing that I haven't heard too much about (though I haven't really looked -too much- but I have a bit) is Scholar's new Zerg Potential with Embrava.

Embrava can get to around 30 haste @ 95 with high enhancing magic skill. This stacks with haste. It can be AoE'd with Accession, and can be cast outside the party as well. It can be increased in duration to 12.5 minutes. It also can give a 5/tick regain as well as a really high regen (402 enhancing magic is 58/tick). Stack it with Celerity for a faster cast on two parties.

What does this mean?

Haste can now be capped on two parties with a scholar and a WHM/RDM/SMN using haste. You don't need Bard Marches. This frees a bard to use something like Double Minuet or Minuet V / Madrigal Soul voice'd if you have a bard.

Also, some of the melee may be starting the fight with 300 TP because of the regain effect. It's also good for rangers as they don't melee but can use the regain, and they get can stack that with COR regain if you wanted to.

It opens some new possibilities, I feel. Also, SCH (though not as good as whm, but better than nearly everything else) can help keep the melee alive with AoE Cure IV's.

Just a little thought, as before SCH was just a tabula rasa nuking zerger... Now we have a light arts option as well.


Edited, Oct 2nd 2011 2:58pm by Annalise

In regards to keeping the tanks alive, yes it is really hard just as a single sch healing, Some would say impossible. In many ways, and in the higher tier monster it is. Honestly though it shouldn't be a single sch. I understand many of you would like that, and in ways i would too.

It's also my personal opninion that there are a lot of lazy players in FFXI. The truth is you can work around not having a whm, yes it takes good players, it takes the group working as a whole, and yes it is tough. For the people who think they absolutely can't work around having a whm, and absolutely have to have a whm, and want to cure as sch, my advice is this: take the two or three days and level whm to 95. Honestly you'll get invites fairly quick for exp, no screw that stop being lazy, put your own party together, You can even go to abyssea right away and open chests (level 30 and later), and find new members for the alliance, and you'll be main healing even sooner. When the opportunity comes that another player is playing whm, swith back to sch. You'll get everything you wanted(and i understand you wanted to cure as sch, but seriously). If however you decide you truly want to be sch, then sch's weakness in truth must not be as big as you think.

A few of you look at it as weaker versions of a few jobs, i believe it's the sum that matters. If you truly believed (and some of you do, so this isn't meant for you) that sch was weaker than blm and whm you would play as them, and leave sch to the people who believe that being able to switch on the fly between curing and magic DD makes up for not being as strong as blm or whm. That's my personal opinion. You can say i disagree with this opinion all you want, but i will never look at one aspect of something and rate it as that, i will allways add the numbers and compare.

Keep editing becuase i know svylons will try to tear the any non specific thing that someone just trying to difficult would point out. I even deleted a comparison.

Edited, Oct 3rd 2011 7:02pm by riznobi

Why can't it be a single scholar if my whm can run around healing practically any DD in abyssea with minimal effort.



Go try to do Voidwatch without a Whm. Have fun



Been there. Done that.



How does wanting to play sch make it's weaknesses dissapear?



How often do you even switch on the fly. Yes I change from one battle to the other (or used to), but I didn't often say I'll heal now and then nuke 1 minute later midfight. I'm usually tied to one role for most of the fight if not all of it.

Every single word is important. It either adds to your argument, or takes away from it. If you can clearly make your point in just 2 paragraphs, don't use 6 paragraphs.

LOL.

Everything you said is completely true. You stated it very clearly and accurately. I can play like the masses, and play the "right" way. I can Zerg all the bosses i want with more than enough people to kill it, and never having a challenge. I have done all this, i never enjoyed it. I've had the godliest setup, and i've spent most of my earlier ffxi life doing it this way. I hate it. I cannot have fun without the chance of losing. Everything seems to mean something when it's fought for, not just taken.

I do go Whm when i absolutely have to, I love my blm, it was my first job ever on ffxi, always the one i think of first. Sch is all about utility. I love the tools it has. The most devastating thing that ever happened to me was SE introducing Sch, and seeing it's possibilities, my soloing life as blm was over. If i gave the impression that i go sch every single time to every event, i made a huge mistake. I play bst, nin, and war also. If you read some of my earlier posts my standpoint is that i don't believe sch should get cure V, with how the games setup currently. I was just making points i have main healed as sch, and you could if you had to/wanted to, and yes i have had support from my friends. No it's not as effecient, but yes it's possible.

How often do you bring more than one whm to an event? People DC in this game quite a bit. I love knowing that my group, if i go sch, can make do till the whm gets back. If i go blm can we? idk lol.

Everyone who understands sch knows it gets weaker the more you add. If you have 6 blms and you replace one with a sch, i think it has a positive effect. If you replace all the blm's with sch's you lose quite a bit. I don't argue all this. I agree, but there is more than one way of playing, and that's my point. It's a game I play to have fun. You can tell me i'm wrong, and that i'm wasting players, it sounds like you come from a good ls, you have good support. How often do you really have fun playing the game? How often does you ls support you when you think up something crazy? I understand there's a sense of accomplishment, but true enjoyment is different. When i log in tonight I might play with something that's not the "best setup", but i will have fun tonight. In fact i'll enjoy every random struggle tonight.

I did a /sea all yesterday, and each job had at least 100 people playing that job between levels 75-95, with the exception of sch. sch had 17, and 23 total from 1-95. I like that i play a job no one else does. I'd rather do that then jump on a job when it get's popular.

LOL. Yeah you can say that. It's worded in a way to make me sound twisted, but you can take it that way. Some games have difficulty settings, and i understand some peopl play games completely for the storyline, or else you seem to find easy mode challenging enough? I play hard mode. I like the challenge. It's a personal choice.

I will state again, i do play other jobs, and that i do play whm when i have to. My whole opinion was that with how the game is setup, i personaly don't see sch getting cure V, and it shouldn't. I stated that i have main healed as sch, and i like it's versatility. I also said that people shouldn't complain, with how the games setup you can get from 1-95 in two days of grinding, three if you take your time. Take what i say and twist it, or think about what i say. This game is easy, it's not hard, so stop making it harder than it is.

This is why you play SCH over WHM.


This is why I play WHM over SCH.

So you like playing "hard mode", except when you don't. Fantastic.

Did you have a point, or you just like reading what you type?

Well, I already explained what I think of your opinion (it's inefficient and has no place in today's metagame), so I'll leave it at that.

On an unrelated note though, how can you possibly love reading the grammatical train-wrecks that you post? They give me headaches.

You're too busy fapping at your awesome posts to understand mine, I see.

Some of us don't need to be told what works best in a given situation; we can figure it out on our own.

I'm on a message board to talk, and respond to people. Share idea's, and input my knowledge. I'm also here to learn. I'm deffinately not here to critisize everyone's opinion and spout off that certain things are the only way, and basically independant thought is wrong.

It's fine if you want to say all that, but the metagame is essentially a compilation of our knowledge of the game. It's insider information on how something works to change your actions. It means we can act instead of having to react. Essentially to know without having to learn.

It's not strictly a strategy. It's knowledge. You can use that knowledge to your advantage, or you can follow that knowledge without a single thought of your own. The metagame will never say free thinking is wrong.

It's not wrong to learn the metagame, but it will only cripple you to follow the metagame to a T. I stand by my statements. You can take the littlest part of them, and make your own conclusions, try to twist them so i've said something in error. You can fail at your arguments, and then try to make this an arguement about something else. It's a sign of a weak person to attack someone's views with such petty tactics.



Edited, Oct 11th 2011 5:10pm by riznobi

Edited, Oct 11th 2011 5:14pm by riznobi

It's ok, because SE has decided to let SCH and only SCH cast Regen on alliance members. Surely, that is the healing uniqueness that SCH has been lacking.

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