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#1 Aug 21 2011 at 7:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Well I did it, I got to 90 over the weekend in my second Aby party ^^ I even capped out my merits (well, stored merits), so now I'm faced with the decision on what I want to merit. It's the first job I've ever had the problem on ^^ I've been reading up on what all the various abilities are, and I think I've decided the direction I'm going to go in, but was curious to get some feedback from other Scholars who've been through this before.

I'll preface this by saying I'm a hume, and play mage jobs (so I don't really have any intentions of playing melee characters unless you count thwacking things as a Red Mage some time in the future!), so melee skills aren't that important to me.

Shared Merits
  • HP/MP - Full 12/12 on MP merits (I usually sub RDM so want to push my MP up for a better Convert ratio)
  • Stats - Full 8/8 on INT merits (again, mage roles, the INT boost will be most beneficial to me)
  • Combat Skills - ? (probably Staff and Evasion, but I suspect I'll leave these until later when I decide how far I want to take Red Mage; i.e., do I need Sword/Dagger merits?)
  • Magic Skills - Full 8/8 on Enfeebling and Elemental (not sure where to put the last 8 points yet)
  • Others - Full 5/5 on Spell Interruption (again, not sure about the other 5)


Group 1 Merits
  • Grimore Recast - Not going to bother; shaving 10 seconds off switching arts doesn't seem worth it, and that's assuming it's fully merited
  • Modus Veritas Duration - With the nerfs this skill received, again, I don't believe this is worth it unless they drop the recast
  • Helix Magic Accuracy/Attack - Full 5/5 merits
  • Max Sublimation - Full 5/5 merits


(With the first two skills basically ruled out, the only choice I have is to fully merit the last two anyway).

Group 2 Merits
  • Altruism - Don't _think_ I need additional white magic accuracy? Open to suggestions here
  • Focalization - 4/5 merits for 5/5 if I don't use Enlightenment
  • Tranquility - Redundant with introduction of Animus Minuo?
  • Equanimity - Redundant with introduction of Animus Minuo?
  • Enlightenment - Maybe useful... I'm thinking it's primarily going to be used to cast a -na spell when you're in Addendum: Black mode, but with our stratagems recharging every 48 seconds at level 90, it's probably quicker (and better MP wise) to switch arts, use Addendum: White, cast your spells, then switch back to Dark Arts
  • Stormsurge - Full 5/5 merits


Does that sounds like a reasonable path to take for merits? Basically it's focused on maximizing magic damage and landing nukes/enfeebles (+INT, enhanced Enfeebling/Elemental magic, Focalization/Stormsurge, etc, etc), since on the white magic side I believe I'm basically covered (it's primarily player targeted spells such as Cures and Status Removal which wouldn't benefit majorly from the merits).

There's still a few gaps in my shared merits since I don't really know where the best benefit is going to be, but again, I'd love to hear from some career Scholars on how they've gone about their merits.
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#2 Aug 21 2011 at 9:55 PM Rating: Excellent
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In before Focalization vs Enlightenment Debate.

I'll just give you my two cents.

Everything else you said is spot on. Modus got nerfed to ****, so it's a waste of merits and grimoir recast is silly.

What I will add, though, is that Focalization never seemed worth it to me. You can balance out with it if you really need MACC with Klimaform. Focalization only really just burns more of your precious 2hr time with another JA ability. Add to that, if you are in abyssea, you prolly won't really need this ability to begin with.

I personally went with full stormsurge and enlightenment. I hate having to use a quick spell from another art and it being the ONLY spell I need. Like being in Dark Arts and needed to use Erase or RR. Even the other way around, too. I'll be in Light Arts focusing on healing, but I might have the time/mp to throw out a nuke.

It being on a 10minute recast has really helped me out in the long run, but that's just me.
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#3 Aug 21 2011 at 10:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Exodus wrote:
In before Focalization vs Enlightenment Debate.


Hardly, there's not enough of us for a full blown forum debate ^^

Exodus wrote:
What I will add, though, is that Focalization never seemed worth it to me. You can balance out with it if you really need MACC with Klimaform. Focalization only really just burns more of your precious 2hr time with another JA ability. Add to that, if you are in abyssea, you prolly won't really need this ability to begin with.


Abyssea is always a special case, and whilst I'm only getting my feet wet there, I'm not necessarily aiming my merits towards it, since I've got a ton of storyline content I haven't done yet. I'm considering cases of enfeebles specifically here (or helices I suppose), I would have thought that the additional accuracy provided by Focalization would be useful in landing enfeebles on HNMs outside of Abyssea. Or does the higher level cap negate that these days?

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I personally went with full stormsurge and enlightenment. I hate having to use a quick spell from another art and it being the ONLY spell I need. Like being in Dark Arts and needed to use Erase or RR. Even the other way around, too. I'll be in Light Arts focusing on healing, but I might have the time/mp to throw out a nuke.


That's a good point I suppose, I keep forgetting Erase and Reraise (and Raise II) are tied to Addendum White as well. But can you use other stratagems with the spells as well? Just thinking that if you could 'Manifestation' a -na or Erase spell (Accession normally I know, but you're in Dark Arts, so Manifestation is your AoE stratagem) then this would become much more favourable.

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It being on a 10minute recast has really helped me out in the long run, but that's just me.


If you have it fully merited, wouldn't it be on a 5 minute recast, not a 10 minute one? Or have I read the description on it wrong?
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#4 Aug 21 2011 at 11:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Enlightenment on a single merit is a whooping 20 minute recast. When you fully upgrade it, it'll shrink it down to 10. Unfortunately, it only grants you access to all spells, not the JA. Also, keep in mind that using spells of an opposite art still carries it's penalty (higher MP cost and cast time.) This JA is mostly to save you the stratagems for switching, as you most likely have to use Addendum once you switch arts.

Focalization loses it's light outside of abbyssea more so than just the increased level cap, but also everywhere else you can throw your merits in and gear. 8/8 elem and 8/8 enfeeb and I didn't have much trouble landing stuff at 75. Right now, at lv90, my enfeeb is at 300~ -before- I activate an art. Or some number to that effect. Same with elemental. If you are worried about Rank missions/promy/zilart, then lv90 is going to make quick work of it.

I dunno. Even pre-abby I never really cared much for that JA. It's -2- stratagems per use so the only time you ever get to use it and not whimper is with your 2hr. When you are using your 2hr, you are burning precious time going on a JA spree for each spell (most likely a nuke) you are casting. It's just meh all over.

While enlightenment isn't all "ZOMGBESTJAEVAR" it's definitely got more utility than Foca.
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#5 Aug 21 2011 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIclopedia must be out of date then, this is the current text in the article on Enlightenment:

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Recast Time: 0:10:00 (-0:01:15 minutes for every additional merit)
Maximum recast reduction through merits is 0:05:00


Good info on Focalization though. If resists aren't an issue as such now with additional merits and gear, then that really leaves Enlightenment as the only other viable Tier 2 merit I suppose, regardless of the recast timer.
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Drusenija wrote:
FFXIclopedia must be out of date then, this is the current text in the article on Enlightenment:

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Recast Time: 0:10:00 (-0:01:15 minutes for every additional merit)
Maximum recast reduction through merits is 0:05:00


Maybe I'm going through a really massive brainfart? Smiley: laugh I'll check this when I log in tomorrow to make sure.
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Exodus wrote:
Maybe I'm going through a really massive brainfart? Smiley: laugh I'll check this when I log in tomorrow to make sure.


I'm hoping so, because with a 5 minute recast it actually becomes practical to merit it fully ^^

Edit:
Looking back over my combat skills, I would imagine that the split I'd probably go for factoring in the fact I may play around with RDM/NIN at some point in the future would be:
Evasion: 4/4
Parrying: 4/4
Sword: 8/8
Dagger: 8/8

Evasion and parrying I assume would also be useful as a Scholar (in case a mob does decide to thwack us; given we carry staves or dual wield as RDM/NIN, Shield skill isn't worth much, and Guard is somewhat unreliable). Swords and Daggers would both be useful as a RDM or NIN; is there any particular reason to put merits into staves for a Scholar? Is there any benefit to it?

Edited, Aug 22nd 2011 7:51am by Drusenija
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I'd put 4/4 into Shield before I'd do it into Parry. If something is thwacking you and it's mean enough for said thwacking to pose a threat, your base Parry score premerits isn't going to help much. At least with Shield, if you are meleeing with RDM and not dual wielding, you have a better chance at a shield block that SCH with a parry. Same with evasion. On SCH, your primary defenses will always be your spells (Stoneskin, Blink, Aquaviel, Phalanx).

Sword and Dagger would be good also for RDM. I don't main RDM too much so I don't wanna put my foot in my mouth and give out the wrong info on anything. At least Dagger would help you also with THF and DNC if you ever decide to bring those up. Staff merits would be a colossal waste and I wouldn't recommend it. If you are planning on bringing NIN up, I'd go with katana merits as both sword and dagger wouldn't help you much end-game, IIRC.
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If I do actually put some work into NIN, it'll be purely as a subjob for RDM, I don't plan to take the job to endgame. I've continually put it off because I gave a friend my Utsusemi: Ichi scroll when I left in 2005, so my NIN doesn't have Utsusemi right now; I refuse to pay the AH price for it and I haven't got around to getting it on my mule yet, so I haven't leveled NIN above 10 right now (and don't plan to go any higher without Utsusemi).

Essentially what you're telling me though is combat skill merits are basically useless for Scholar, and any points I put into them should be based on what I'm doing with other jobs, yes? ^^
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Drusenija wrote:
Essentially what you're telling me though is combat skill merits are basically useless for Scholar, and any points I put into them should be based on what I'm doing with other jobs, yes? ^^



Yuppers. Smiley: nod

Unless they add a combat skill that lets you beat people with your book, of course.
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Exodus wrote:
Yuppers. Smiley: nod

Unless they add a combat skill that lets you beat people with your book, of course.


If it were a throwing based skill, you could "throw the book" at someone... *queue rimshot* Would almost have to be anyway since we're not exactly a front line job ^^ Blunt damage anyone? (Unless it's a paper cut...)

Did you happen to check the Enlightenment recast time Exodus?
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#12 Aug 24 2011 at 6:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Did you happen to check the Enlightenment recast time Exodus?


I have 5/5 Enlightenment and it is once every 5 minutes (starts as 10). I absolutely love this ability! I mostly use it for -na spells when I am in Dark Arts or for a tier 4 or 5 nuke when a mob uses their 2 hour (invincible, perfect dodge) when I am in Light Arts. It comes in handy rather than changing arts and using up a stratagem.
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Did you happen to check the Enlightenment recast time Exodus?


I have 5/5 Enlightenment and it is once every 5 minutes (starts as 10). I absolutely love this ability! I mostly use it for -na spells when I am in Dark Arts or for a tier 4 or 5 nuke when a mob uses their 2 hour (invincible, perfect dodge) when I am in Light Arts. It comes in handy rather than changing arts and using up a stratagem.


Don't do this unless the mob is pretty low level. You don't get the skill boost to Elemental Magic in Light Arts, so you're nuking with a D skill rating. Tossing a Sleep II or a Break is okay, because Enfeebling is boosted in both arts, using a -na or Erase or a a RRaise on Dark Arts is ok, because they don't rely on skill (well, except cursna). But if you want to nuke and are on Light Arts, change to Dark -> Enlightment -> toss nuke -> Light Arts again. Worst case, you were on Addendum White and will need a stratagem to reapply it. Even then, hey, you saved a charge by using Enlightment.
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#14 Aug 25 2011 at 5:55 AM Rating: Good
Normally I switch strats when I know what kind of mob is incoming, because I prefer to immanence them down. Occasionally something comes up and I'm in light arts with only 1 strat (because I just finished buffing or w/e) and enlightenment comes in handy for sure. I don't get the same raw damage I would get in dark arts, but it still helps.

For most cases, I use it for the -na spells because I'm already in dark.
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Elspetta wrote:
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Did you happen to check the Enlightenment recast time Exodus?


I have 5/5 Enlightenment and it is once every 5 minutes (starts as 10). I absolutely love this ability! I mostly use it for -na spells when I am in Dark Arts or for a tier 4 or 5 nuke when a mob uses their 2 hour (invincible, perfect dodge) when I am in Light Arts. It comes in handy rather than changing arts and using up a stratagem.


Don't do this unless the mob is pretty low level. You don't get the skill boost to Elemental Magic in Light Arts, so you're nuking with a D skill rating. Tossing a Sleep II or a Break is okay, because Enfeebling is boosted in both arts, using a -na or Erase or a a RRaise on Dark Arts is ok, because they don't rely on skill (well, except cursna). But if you want to nuke and are on Light Arts, change to Dark -> Enlightment -> toss nuke -> Light Arts again. Worst case, you were on Addendum White and will need a stratagem to reapply it. Even then, hey, you saved a charge by using Enlightment.

I think he's referring to using Enlightenment with it. Enlightenment not only allows access to every spell from the opposing addendum, but also 'optimises' your skill ratings as if you were in both arts simultaneously. Of course, the downside is that if casting in the wrong arts you're still paying the MP penalty and suffering longer casts and recast times.

Its a useful skill, and considering that the merit strategems all require TWO points to use I honestly can't find a good reason to take them. Enlightenment and Stormsurge all the way for me!
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Did you happen to check the Enlightenment recast time Exodus?


I have 5/5 Enlightenment and it is once every 5 minutes (starts as 10). I absolutely love this ability! I mostly use it for -na spells when I am in Dark Arts or for a tier 4 or 5 nuke when a mob uses their 2 hour (invincible, perfect dodge) when I am in Light Arts. It comes in handy rather than changing arts and using up a stratagem.


Don't do this unless the mob is pretty low level. You don't get the skill boost to Elemental Magic in Light Arts, so you're nuking with a D skill rating. Tossing a Sleep II or a Break is okay, because Enfeebling is boosted in both arts, using a -na or Erase or a a RRaise on Dark Arts is ok, because they don't rely on skill (well, except cursna). But if you want to nuke and are on Light Arts, change to Dark -> Enlightment -> toss nuke -> Light Arts again. Worst case, you were on Addendum White and will need a stratagem to reapply it. Even then, hey, you saved a charge by using Enlightment.

I think he's referring to using Enlightenment with it. Enlightenment not only allows access to every spell from the opposing addendum, but also 'optimises' your skill ratings as if you were in both arts simultaneously. Of course, the downside is that if casting in the wrong arts you're still paying the MP penalty and suffering longer casts and recast times.

You're thinking of Tabula Rasa (our 2 hour) every time you said Enlightenment in that paragraph.

Edit: hmmm, I've never noticed the wording with Enlightenment that makes it sound like mini Tabula Rasa. I'll have to test it the next time I'm on to see whether or not Enlightenment actually does that.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 5:41pm by svlyons
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Looks like I was wrong. Enlightenment does indeed raise both Light Arts and Dark Arts related skills to B+.
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svlyons wrote:
Looks like I was wrong. Enlightenment does indeed raise both Light Arts and Dark Arts related skills to B+.


Perfect, that makes my decision easy then, 5/5 on Enlightenment and Stormsurge!
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Oh, you get your skill boosted to B+ with Enlightment? I stand corrected, then. My 5/5 Enlightment merits look even better now ;)
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