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#1 Jan 11 2011 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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Since the level cap increase and the advent of Atma (plus visitant status buffs), it's starting to seem like our Group 2 merits are a bit... redundant. The +7 stat bonuses from Stormsurge seem somewhat negligible now. Is is still worth popping Focalization during 2hour, with all the M.Acc and other benefits of Atma? Outside of Abyssea, the difference in level and skill level between players and mobs also seems to render these merits unnecessary now (not to mention gear).

Any thoughts on which merits would be the most worthwhile to a SCH in this era of FFXI? Or does the old conventional merit allocation still hold true?
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#2 Jan 11 2011 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
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5/5 sublim 5/5 helix 5/5 stormsurge 5/5 enlightenment

If you want to 1/5 Enlight and 4/5 Focal for outside abyssea (loloutsideabyssea), knock yourself out.
#3 Jan 12 2011 at 8:21 AM Rating: Good
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5/5 sublim 5/5 helix 5/5 stormsurge 5/5 enlightenment

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#4 Jan 12 2011 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Enlightenment x5 (compared to Enlightenment x1) is just as useless as it has always been; you are all underestimating how useful Focalization remains, even within Abyssea. Even if you all somehow manage to cap accuracy against everything in Abyssea on SCH (of which I am highly dubious), Equanimity is still much, much more useful than a 5 minute Enlightenment.
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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#5 Jan 14 2011 at 12:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Enlightenment x5 (compared to Enlightenment x1) is just as useless as it has always been; you are all underestimating how useful Focalization remains, even within Abyssea. Even if you all somehow manage to cap accuracy against everything in Abyssea on SCH (of which I am highly dubious), Equanimity is still much, much more useful than a 5 minute Enlightenment.


Just curious how much you use focalization outside of Tabula Rasa? I haven't used TR in ages (I know you use it a lot during solos) and just can't bring myself to use a 2 strat ability. I changed enlightenment to 5/5 for now just to try it and i have to say it's nice. Its not game breaking, or even incredibly useful, but at least i'm getting some sort of use out of those merits. Once endgame shifts out of abyssea I will probably redistribute those merits but for now i can't justify wasting them on a 2-strat ability.

And since you brought it up which mobs in abyssea are you having macc issues with?
#6 Jan 14 2011 at 1:33 AM Rating: Good
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LyltiaofLakshmi wrote:
Enlightenment x5 (compared to Enlightenment x1) is just as useless as it has always been; you are all underestimating how useful Focalization remains, even within Abyssea. Even if you all somehow manage to cap accuracy against everything in Abyssea on SCH (of which I am highly dubious), Equanimity is still much, much more useful than a 5 minute Enlightenment.



You aren't spamming acestics drinks and klimaform, why, exactly? Between the two, if you're fighting something that's so difficult you arent capping macc on, you aren't on blm or support healing, why, exactly? According to your sig, you're using baying moon over ultimate's mab/macc+ SUPERIOR, why, exactly?

Enlightenment and Focal both kind of suck, the lesser of 2 evils is entirely dependent on how you play your sch, the group you run with, and the mobs you encounter. We're gonna have to just agree to disagree on t2 merit choices which are just lackluster overall.
#7 Jan 14 2011 at 11:30 AM Rating: Default
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You aren't spamming acestics drinks and klimaform, why, exactly?


The point of Focalization isn't to increase your accuracy against evasive targets, it is there solely to increase damage during Tabula Rasa against targets that you won't cap accuracy against while wearing full damage gear; we've been over this before. Ascetics with Klimaform does kinda make it redundant; however, that's why I mentioned Equanimity, which will also increase your damage dealt by allowing more nukes before you draw hate. Regardless, either are a much better use of cat2 merits than reducing your Enlightenment timer, especially at 90.

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Between the two, if you're fighting something that's so difficult you arent capping macc on, you aren't on blm or support healing, why, exactly?


Exactly why I don't even use SCH anymore. BLM deals better damage, WHM heals more damage faster, and RDM is just a better hybrid mage in Abyssea.

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According to your sig, you're using baying moon over ultimate's mab/macc+ SUPERIOR, why, exactly?


Obviously because I've never killed Proto-Ultima, and still have better things on my to-do list than 2 weeks of Temenos?

Repeating 'Why, exactly' 3 times when you're not even making good points is really, really obnoxious, by the way.

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Enlightenment and Focal both kind of suck, the lesser of 2 evils is entirely dependent on how you play your sch, the group you run with, and the mobs you encounter. We're gonna have to just agree to disagree on t2 merit choices which are just lackluster overall.


Equanimity is useful everywhere, Focalization is still useful outside Abyssea, while Enlightenment x5 is just as useless as it's always been, and even less useful inside Abyssea. There's nothing to 'agree to disagree' on here, and there's only one playstyle that matters when debating the various merits of merits; the correct one.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#8 Jan 14 2011 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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If you have the time to work on magian staves, but not the time to get an atma that gives 50 mab and I can only assume 50 macc, as far as I'm concerned your whole argument for TR being for max dmg/macc is void. It's easily the best nuking atma in the game aside from minikin.

And as far as your "outside of abyssea" goes, maybe for you, but dynamis is the only thing I do outside of abyssea and I'm not resisting on Beau mobs. I can acknowledge that maybe for what you do outside of abyssea Focalization might be the right choice, I'm not sure why you have such a hard time accepting not everyone does what you do.
#9 Jan 14 2011 at 11:58 AM Rating: Default
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If you have the time to work on magian staves, but not the time to get an atma that gives 50 mab and I can only assume 50 macc, as far as I'm concerned your whole argument for TR being for max dmg/macc is void.


Since they have nothing to do with each other, the fact that you think they somehow do makes your arguments void. My Magian Staves were finished to the point they're at now a month before Heroes was released; since then, I haven't had time to finish them, or my Ultima set (which is 4/6 tyvm) between RL and FF prior commitments. I don't even know why I'm bothering justifying myself to you, but there it is.

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I can acknowledge that maybe for what you do outside of abyssea Focalization might be the right choice, I'm not sure why you have such a hard time accepting not everyone does what you do.


You're half-right; I could care less that people choose to do things differently than I do, I'm a very live-and-let-live kind of guy; but I do care when they try to tell me (or others when I'm in earshot) their way is better when there's not a snowball's chance in **** they're correct.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

rdmcandie wrote:
MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
#10 Jan 14 2011 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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Can't we just all agree that SCH group 2s are generally **** and leave it at that?

*******, it's like BLMs arguing over what to do with their AM2s. Nobody cares.

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The +7 stat bonuses from Stormsurge seem somewhat negligible now.


They were always negligable.
#11 Jan 14 2011 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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You aren't spamming acestics drinks and klimaform, why, exactly?


I'm surprised no one mentioned this but the macc boost from ascetics doesnt stack with klimaform (klima gives "no effect" message) Have to click off "Intension" i believe if you want klima to stick (for af3 boots for instance).


EDIT: and since i'm here

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The point of Focalization isn't to increase your accuracy against evasive targets, it is there solely to increase damage during Tabula Rasa against targets that you won't cap accuracy against while wearing full damage gear;


I haven't used my high resist set (or even my now non-existant mid-resist set) since i dinged 76, In my full dmg gear (without food/buffs (other than add: black)) I have 364 ele skill and 88 + 58 INT along with 17macc. I can count on 1 hand the times i've been resisted since level cap raise. I do a fair smattering of endgame (what passes for endgame these days anyway) and dont remember any particularly egregious macc issues.

EDIT again: Equanimity seems to be a good use of merits, using my -enmity set always makes cry at the DMG i'm losing, would be worth 2hr'ing to free nuke with -50 ....


Edited, Jan 15th 2011 9:38am by grevenilvec75
#12 Jan 16 2011 at 9:57 PM Rating: Good
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Focalization is still useful outside Abyssea,


Unless you're trying to nuke Tiamat with Fire, there's no point in even carrying a resist setup outside abyssea nowadays. Equanimity is easily a better choice, and we all know just how useful that is. Seriously tho, it was hard to justify the merits in Focal before; now its just a giant sign that says "I don't know what I'm doing, lulz".

So yeah, Enlightenment stayed the same: It's still good for removing random ailments and saving the occasional stratagem; while Focal lurked into Divine Seal recast type of merits. Best choices now are 5/5 Enlightenment or 1/5 with 4/5 Equanimity for the occasional TR in group setting.

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#13 Jan 26 2011 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
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The only merit that makes any kind of difference anymore is G1 helix. The benefit from any other scholar merits is meh.
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#14 Mar 01 2011 at 2:13 AM Rating: Good
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The only things mag acc can be even needed from a JA is maybe kirin. That is assuming we have to worry about it as much as we used to due to level correlation. If you are reasonable geared for magic acc when needed then 2 parsimony nukes, or 2 ebullince nukes will outdo one foci nuke and one freecast nuke. those job ability merits is a waste of data, the only thing i would even consider is the enmity down ones, and they would have to be 1 charge or be limited to 2 hr. I merited MV before they nerfed the JA to the point why bother even using it anymore. ( I really think it was stupid of them to nerf a JA to **** because it was used to kill their "my precious".)

I would only say it is required to merit stormsurge to 5, helix to 5, enlightenment to 1. the rest is worthless, would not change the way i play, or not even helpful to me.

the only thing I would consider using the merit Jas would be during 2 hr. Using 5 jas per spell would be annoying though. The eminty down with that burst of damage could be helpful though, that many jas while trying to make a sc may be too long though.

outside abyssea now magic acc is a joke due to natural skill and new level corlation to level 75 contant, inside abyssea with all the int buffs (milkin/ cour) and magic acc you can get like ultimate, magic acc is a joke.

Magic acc was a semi joke to me at 75 cept maybe outside kirin, khim and other things you really dont even want nuke type of damage. Now its just a bigger joke, no idea why you would want to blow 2 charges on increasing your acc.

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#15 Mar 14 2011 at 2:13 PM Rating: Default
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Necropost, edited 3 times, and added absolutely nothing that wasn't already said in the relatively few posts above? Well played sir.
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RDM can attain an almost static 50% reduction to recast time, SCH can over shoot this for a total of 60% reduction under Alacrity (provided you are wearing loafers and keeping dark weather on yourself)

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MACC is a joke, any job with access to mage gear can hit close the MACC cap on legion mobs, which is why my BRD/RDM can land slow/para/blind despite having only 150 skill (from /RDM.)
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