So 3 Atmas now what...Follow

I use Ultimate/Full Moon or Ultimate/Ambition because I'm a gimpface and have no good Atmas/only 2 Lunars.

Ultimate/Beyond/Minikin would definitely be the prime Helix Atma setup, but Gales would pack a punch if you can't cast any faster than your Aero V timer for whatever reason.

Healing whats that lol...

Working on doing a 4 step light and mb Aero V uses all my stratagems but hopefully whatever I am fighting is dead lol if not I am >.>.....

Aero V

Atma of the Scarlet Wing
Elemental Magic skill+ Major,
Gain Full benefits of Wind Day and weather Benefits.

Now I need to test this sucker as well....

As far as I know you can't make a level 3 skillchain using spells alone. We can make any of the level 2 skillchains with just spells, but to make a level 3 we would have to do a dual element spell off of one of those.

If we have tp we could do either light or dark. Luminohelix -> stone = distortion which we could then close with retribution/omniscience for darkness, or we could do fire -> thunder = fusion which we could then close with black halo for light.

Not going to call either of these solutions ideal, but some tools are better then none.

I don't remembering it working like that though.

Once you do anything that doesn't continue the skillchain you lose it. So in your example you do ice -> water for fragmentation, but once you use fire that doesn't do anything to continue the fragmentation properties so you start a new skillchain. Once you close the fire with lightning you end up with fusion elements on the monster, but because the fragmentation was lost when you cast fire it doesn't make light.

All the weaponskills that close either light or darkness must have either fusion, distortion, fragmentation, or gravitation properties. I don't know of any way to make light or darkness using only single element weaponskills, and I think the same thing applies to immanence as well.

But please let me know if I'm wrong, because in this particular case I would love to be. :)

Edited, Dec 20th 2010 3:43pm by Ahrana

We're using the same source information, but I'm reading what's happening differently.

(cleaning removing information from your post so we can just look at ws/skillchains)


Skillchain properties for shown WS's:
Yukikaze: induration (primary), detonation (secondary)
Jinpu: scission (primary), detonation (secondary)
Gekko: distortion (primary), reverberation (secondary)
Kasha: fusion (primary), compression (secondary)

Now my understanding is that until a skillchain is made the monster gets the elements of the last weaponskill used on it. After a skillchain is made the only element(s) on it will be from the skillchain itself, not the weaponskill used to make it. If a skillchain can be made using the primary attribute it will, if not then it will then check the secondary attribute to see if it skillchains.

So in your example:
1. yukikaze: monster has induration and detonation elements.
2. Jinpu: Jinpu scission element reacts with detonation, creates scission skillchain. Monster now has scission element
3. Gekko: Gekko reverberation element reacts with scission , creates reverberation. Monster now has reverberation element.
4. yukikaze: yukikaze induration element reacts with reverberation, creates induration. Monster now has induration element.
5. Gekko: Gekko reverberation element reacts with induration, creates fragmentation. Monster now has fragmentation element.
6. Kasha: Kasha fusion element reacts with fragmentation, creates light. Monster now has the light element.

So that all makes sense. The problem that we run into on scholar, according to the source information (edited for meaningful groupings in this context):

level 2 skillchains
Liquefaction -> Impaction = Fusion
Induration -> Reverberation = Fragmentation
Detonation -> Compression = Gravitation
Transfixion -> Scission = Distortion

Distortion -> Fusion = Fusion
Gravitation -> Fragmentation = Fragmentation
Fusion -> Gravitation = Gravitation
Fragmentation -> Distortion = Distortion

level 3 skillchains
fragmentation <-> fusion = light
distortion <-> gravitation = darkness

The first 4 level 2 skillchains are the only ones we can do out of all of these (using spells), because we can only add one element into the mix in any given step. And once we push it up to level 2 we can't do anything else with it, because there is no way to take a level 2 skillchain back down to a level 1 that I know of. Once we get it up to a level 2 we have to pass it off to someone with level 2 skillchain elemental properties to continue (either run it around the level 2 circle or push it up to full light/dark).

Although this does make me curious how much bonus damage I could set someone up for. Use my 2 hour, run it around the level 1 skillchains for a while, when my 2 hour runs out use my remaining strats to set up the level 2 skillchain that someone (like a ukku's fury warrior) could close light on, and then double the light. I don't think it's practical on most monsters, but seeing how high we could push a single skillchain does have it's appeal...

But like I said if I'm wrong, please correct me. I would love to be wrong so I can solo my own light skillchains.