Abilities and Spells update notesFollow

Native blink, stoneskin and spikes are pure win. SCH becomes a much more accessible SJ for BLMs and our subjob choice can change more. Interested in the new spell.

I kind of have mixed feelings on it. If it is the regain spell that everyone is talking about then that puts us in a position where we are stuck in light arts using the increased enhance duration + AoE regain for DD parties (depending on duration). And having played mostly whm for the last 3 months I kind of dread trying to be a main healer with only cure 4.

Well I've thought about subjobs for a while now, but I don't see much changing from /redmage. Having /rdm gives as much magic attack bonus as /blm, and will all the way up to 99 (blm mab3 trait is at 50). It also gives access to fast cast, convert, magic defensive bonus, most of the enfeeble spells, and dispel when out of add black. The only thing I see /blm adding is stun, D2, and sleepga.

Honestly I'm more inclined to sub whitemage (red !! triggers, double up on some green !! triggers, -na spells in add black) or ninja (green !! triggers) over blackmage, and that's only if we're in desperate need of coverage.

The only things /blm brings to the table are:

Elemental Seal
Stun
Sleepga
Warp/Warp II/Tractor
and elemental debuffs (burn,rasp, etc.)
MABII

What /rdm brings to the table
Gravity
Fast Cast
Convert
Refresh
Dispel
Phalanx
Magic Defence Bonus II(Trait)
Barspells
Enspells
MABII

/whm
Divine Seal
MDBII
Auto Regen
Haste
Flash
Teleport spells (up to Vahzl)
Access to all -na spells without add: light
Curaga II

So unless you're the main healer, in which case /whm would probably win out, /rdm would still (imo) be a better sub in 99% of situations, unless what you're fighting can't be grav'd then either /blm or /nin would be better.

Ask and you shall receive, my friend.

I personally don't like this update for sch. This was more of a buff to blm than it was to sch. Going from blm/rdm to blm/sch is going to cost the blm gravity, convert, phalanx, and later haste. Convert is a big deal and gravity can be important to have for various occasions. But imo blm/sch is much better with its stratagems, dark arts, and being able to cast their own weather on themselves(though they wouldn't get fire and hailstorm until later). And theres not really any other SJ that looks too good for sch compared to /rdm.

Also sch is probably going to get a regain spell and we're going to be moved to light arts on regain duty I bet. But who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and Adloquium will turn out to be useless like giving crit defense up or maybe some immunity to some debuffs.

I would love to be able to go into abyssea on scholar and be able to cover main healing for my party solo, but I don't think any cure IV job can do that anymore. Heck, when I play whitemage I sometimes have to alternate between cure V and cure VI just to keep up. The old scholar trick of trying to prevent damage before it happens with phalanx and stoneskinga just doesn't work in there because too much damage is flying around, the only way to cover it is to mp dump people. Unless they give scholars cure V, even if it's in add light only, I don't think they're going to be able to do the job come 99.

And I'm talking about abyssea NM's here, not that trash that people xp on.

And how did you all miss the 5th strat? I haven't seen anyone mention it!

We get to burn a strat every 48 seconds now, hot damn.

If I wanted to heal, I would offer to come on my whm, which btw, main heals much easier.

Hybrid jobs don't work too well. SE's idea of a hybrid is to make all the aspects of the job relatively weak (or weak compared to other classes) and what we get is like rdm, nin(from before), pup(from before), dnc(from before), and sch when it was first released. If they buff blm enough, give us regain and its potent enough, we're going on healing/regain duty (just look at rdms, they have access to t4 nukes but I have yet to see a single rdm in an abyssea party help nuke kill). That is the mind set of the ffxi player base. sch is one of the least played jobs. It is one of the newest and it didn't get a huge surge of players like dnc did when dnc got buffed. A lot of players don't know our class very well and don't understand it. A few years ago, players didn't really know how powerful of nukers sch were. It took a while for us to be considered a nuker as well(albeit a slightly weaker version of blm and one that can't aoe nuke). With enough changes, I don't think it would take much for the general playerbase to not consider us nukers anymore, but rather support.

I never get asked to heal a party and haven't since the level cap was 75. I have healed parties when the whm had low mp, disconnected, or died(and my god, if we're talking about abyssea NMs, sch can't really pull that off with cure 4). But our main role right now is to nuke and I'm content with that. What I'm not content with is changing this class to get a regain cycle going, thats why I retired my rdm.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 9:43pm by palomaru

I'm pretty amazed by all the updates we're getting... apparently we weren't awesome enough already? This is news to me...

>.> I think New SE loves us... don't tell anyone.

This is basically what I have been trying to say but strangely I've been getting defaulted, I guess I just paint the bleak picture for our class that no one wants to hear and aren't bright enough about SE. You seem to be assuming we will be getting cure 5, me, I'm not so sure about that. If you look at the Potential new spells 85>99 thread, according to the DATs of the current patch(the one before the latest abyssea) we weren't on the DAT for cure 5. Now obviously this can change in the future seeing as they turned ID 495 = ??? Black Magic [Water] Self cast = 88 SCH into the white magic spell Adloquium SCH Lv.88. We have been getting buffs, but we're still 2nd(or even 3rd) rate DA nukers and our LA is way behind for anything thats worth mentioning (not talking about trash that people exp on, those everyone can go /lvl 1 war and probably still get 10-15k+ exp/hour.

We're still viable as a nuker (mostly because so few jobs fit the role) we could use a bit of a boost or we're going to be left behind probably when the level cap reaches 95 if SE continues like this, the 5th stratagem assuming its 48 seconds per will probably help a bit though. And if Adloquium is going to be a spell that puts us to LAs we're going to be a bit inadequate. If you check the RDM forums they're running into a similar problem with a lack of cure 5.

Also, about the stratagem charge, I'm pretty sure its going to be a 48 second cast. Stratagems are on a 4 minute cooldown and for each stratagem, its always been 240/x seconds per charge where x is how many stratagems you have. If they leave it at 1 minute per charge, the total stratagem cooldown would change from 4 minutes to 5 minutes once you hit 90 and that just seems more unlikely since it would take a lot more to code.

Edited, Dec 4th 2010 9:10pm by palomaru

No, I am pretty sure, I'm not certain(of course not) and I don't know but I am pretty sure. Also, their patch notes don't include everything, like when drgs and dncs got the next accuracy bonus JT, dnc getting multiple dual wield job traits, pld and drk getting the next attack/defense bonus JT, mnk getting the next MA JT, sch getting the latest clear mind at 76, etc.. But they all got them! Its true that SE has been much more thorough with their patch notes(aka... not @#%^ing cryptic) but it hasn't included every single little change. It doesn't state anywhere that the cooldown of stratagems are being changed to five minutes from four minutes does it? I'll admit, it could change to 5 minutes once we hit 90 and thus making each stratagem a 1 minute per, but stratagem has had a four minute cooldown every since level 10 and its much more likely for it to have a 4 minute cooldown still. Also, I could be wrong about this, but wasn't the Accession + Haste thing specifically stated in the patch notes that it wouldn't work before the patch even went live? Your post seems to be attacking me for some reason I don't really get why. I'm not certain, your not certain. I have no idea, you have no idea. I'm sure, your sure. You have your opinions and stated why. I have my opinions and stated.

Edited, Dec 5th 2010 12:10am by palomaru

Stratagems are actually just a 4 minute recast JA, and the server packets do indeed treat it as such . As you level, it just takes a smaller amount of time per use. However, it's fairly trivial to alter a recast timer, as is the case for LA/DA recast merits.

As for adjusting the timer, it could easily be either, there's just not enough information given in the notes. That being said, there's no need for LyltiaofLakshmi to be an ass about it.

That does seem to be the problem. Your default responses are already borderline-insults. There are ways of relying information and yours lacks tact.

This one is a good example:



Other than the obviously biased logic there, that last comment was unnecessary and aggravating.

In fact, that you think that 95% of the people that disagrees with you is offended is just a reflect of how you respond. I do disagree with a lot of people, but it usually remains constructive. On the other hand, most topics that you post in result in you vs someone that got offended. That and how you already lost your Sage despite usually providing well-backed up information speaks for itself.

Nov. 20, 2007:


*edit* before you re-emphasize your "I don't care how it's worked up til 75" point, keep in mind that the update notes on Nov. 20, 2007 were 100% direct and to the point with absolutely no room for interpretation or error. We have absolutely 0 basis to assume that the method that SE had originally set for and explained should change simply because they didn't emphasize it in their recent notes.

Edited, Dec 6th 2010 10:21am by Banggugyangu

SCH Lv.88
Teaches the white magic Adloquium.
Gradually increases target's TP.

Discuss.

Scholar will be what red mages were for the past 5 years? If it's AoE, it will be a huge boost to having scholars in every DD party